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Losing the Super Bowl will always bring out all the arm-chair QB's.  As a lot of you know, I live in the heart of the beast.  This morning, the aftermath:

1:  Why did their starting CB not play (and only find out minutes prior to kick off)?
2:  Why is Gronk talking about retirement?
3:  Why did the Hoodie *not* deny reports this was his last game?
4:  Why has Josh McDaniels, who previously accepted the Colts HC position, suddenly reversed course and now appears to be staying in NE?

What does any of this mean?  Nothing?  Anything?  All I know is I work in an office filled with very confused, and mad, Patriot fans. 

I'm kind of enjoying this morning.   ;D

1.  Not sure why they benched Butler but it was not well received by a lot of people and Butler says he won't be coming back.

2.  Gronk has been really banged up lately and it wouldn't surprise me if he went the Megatron route

3 and 4.  I'm betting that this is Belichicks last game and McDaniels knows it

Ah time for the 16th consecutive annual off season prediction that this is the end of the Patriots.  One of these years it is bound to be correct. 

Could it be?  Yes, but I wouldn't bet the farm against them winning the AFCE again this year.

The most delicious scenario would be if all the rumors were true:

- Brady wanted Jimmy G out because he was hearing footsteps
- Kraft sided with Brady over Belichick and forced the trade
- Belichick is bitter after being undermined and doesn't want to coach anymore
- McDaniels is staying to take over in NE

I greatly look forward to the prospect of a NE team with Josh McDaniels at the helm and a 42-year-old Brady (or: no Brady).

In my previous life as a sports talker - I could always count on the defensive nature of this region's fan base if any particular shift was slow.  Or, when I was called to fill in on the national talker and I just felt like stirring the pot - there was simply no easier way than hinting - hinting - of the demise of the mighty Patriots.

Want to really create a shit show?  Suggest someone other than Tom Brady once played QB and may have done it well.  The pink hats in the frozen north east tunnel have no idea how to handle this.

All this said, this time it feels real.  And I completely agree with Spider...Josh McDaniels + Brian Hoyer = San Fran light.  It'll be like the good 'ol days around here again.  Everyone will become fans of...well...whoever else is winning.

49ers getting a lot of early money in Vegas for next year's Super bowl...

The biggest reason that this could be the beginning is that Belicheck might have to find all new guys -- and is that something he's wanting to rebuild?  And though Brady still has some mileage left, it's time to start grooming the next one.  That's a big ask.

I think that, had they won, it would've been the perfect time to walk.

what's the deal with malcom butler ? looked like a pretty classless move on BBs part

All day I've been hearing and reading people talking about how "Brady is washed up, he needs to retire". I must have seen a different game than everyone else. Brady looked pretty damn good to me. If playing in the Superbowl 2 consecutive years is washed up. Can we please get some "washed up" to rub on Tannehill. And if Brady is washed up, then what does that say about the majority of the other QBs in the league?

I think a lot of people hate Brady because he is so good. I mean shit, I don't like him because he's in our division. But I know that he's probably the best to ever play the game. I can't take that away from him. People get too wrapped up in their emotions and can't see reality for what it is.

I don't think any sane person is saying February 2018 Brady is washed up; he just won NFL MVP.  But most are saying that he doesn't have many years left.

Maybe not the farm, but $100? Also I don't think winning the AFCE is really what New England is all about. If they were to do that and let say lose in the first round of the playoffs, that would be a huge indication everything isn't right in Boston. It's going to happen sometime and every year it's 1 year closer.

I'm not suggesting that.  I'm just saying that Brady is old and age hits you fast.  So, he most likely has a couple of years left before he gets that quick, Peyton-Manning-esque decline.  So, long-term, the Pats should probably start looking/grooming someone now-ish.

And that's a whole ball of wax, in addition to getting a new staff, that Belichek might not want to undertake.

Obviously the goal isn't just the division or even conference but Lombardi but i consider any team playing meaningful football week 17 even if they don't make the playoffs as relevant and competive

McDaniel has officially accepted the Colts job

The best player on the field Sunday was Brady.  Hands down.

No doubt about it, but how long can he keep that up?  He's 41 years old, and that is about the time when Peyton Manning and Dan Marino hit that steep decline that you see once age creeps up on you. 

Belichick has now lost his two top lieutenants and one of his best DBs is now a malcontent.  The blood is in the water in Beantown and the sharks are circling. 

I agree, which is why I started the thread. 

Pretty much none of Brady's throws were to receivers that were not already very, very, very open. Not saying he didn't play a good game, but I've seen him play better plenty of times. He did miss some throws and had more time to get rid of the ball than I've seen all year. Sure, he threw for over 500 yards, which is insane, but going only 28 of 48 to mostly uncovered guys... great game, sure, but it wasn't his best and not the best performance of the day, IMHO.

I think Gronk was pretty spectacular. His first half was a little hesitant, but I'll chalk that up to coming back after a concussion.

Of all of the people I know personally and people in my Facebook feed, 95% of them hate Brady. Everyone was rooting for the Eagles. I really don't get it. Like I said, I don't like him only because he's in our division. But as a player, I like him fine. I guess people are sick of seeing him win. Hell, one old lady at work said, "He(Brady) should give someone else a chance to win". I was like WTF? You do understand the goal of sports don't you?  

People hate him because he's a cheater.   People hate the Patriots because they are cheaters.   They've been caught cheating three times.  So how many tines have they gotten away with it?

I don't like Brady for the same reason I don't like Russell Wilson: they are both phonies who relentlessly manage their brand image.

There was that joke at one of the Comedy Central roasts a while back, where someone told Peyton Manning that he was the Tom Brady of being in commercials ("the greatest"), but it's true.  In a personality comparison, Peyton freaking Manning looks like Magic Johnson compared to Brady.  Brady is a fake robot.

Nope he pulled out....He's staying... (Deleted a Catholic Joke)
@MikeGarafolo: Josh McDaniels withdraws from Colts job, source confirms @AdamSchefter report. Bananas.

Colts confirmed it...

I respect Brady's accomplishments,but hate him...

Conspiracy Theory - Josh McDaniels turned down the Colts job because Kraft has had enough of Belichick and he's going to fire him.  Belichick has a job lined up to take over both the Jets and Giants simultaneously, while McDaniels becomes head coach of the Patsies.

I saw it mentioned somewhere Butler was ill during the week, late to a meeting and was pretty bad at practice. BB must have made the decision he was basically not fit enough to cover someone like Jeffries at cornerback and restricted him to special teams duties: quite understandable but Butler isn't happy and the media have made a meal out of it.

I say it's more along the lines of Belichick and Brady making one final run in 2018 with McDaniels as head coach in waiting

Seems a funny move by McDaniels if it turns out Brady's clock runs out quicker than expected and Gronk doesn't stick around, that would mean he could potentially be looking at a total rebuild early in his coaching career.

On the surface you would think the Colts may be ahead in that regard, with Luck at QB and Jacoby Brissett who he would be well familiar with already as backup. So maybe it's something else, like say he got wind that Luck's long term recovery from injury isn't going so well and got cold feet? There must be some major story to come out to explain this 180 degree turn.

The only thing known according to Peter King ... who is Mr. Patriot ... is that Josh was clearing out his office and Mr. Kraft and Bellichick called him into a meeting. After a long time he came out and started unpacking his stuff.


Seems odd he would "wait" another year for a team when BB was put through that with Parcells and that didn't go too well.

Seems odd he would want to stay with New England when the QB is getting ready to retire while Indy already has a franchise QB .... unless Garapolo is coming back?  Hmmm How pissed would San Fran be if Garrapolo was sent to San Fran to get in some game time while he was waiting to play in New England?

The same amount of pissedoffedness (real word, look it up) I would have if Joe Montana came out of retirement this offseason to sign with the Cleveland Browns and led them to the Super Bowl in 2018.

Oddly enough, both have the exact same odds of occurring. ;)

Trading JG with the expectation he would return is not really plausible.  But it is not inconceivable SF and JG are never able to reach terms and after one or two franchise tag JG signs with another team. 

As I read the tea leaves the only logical conclusion is this is BBs last year and Josh McD has been promised the keys. 

As for why choose Patriot 19 over Colt 18, I think most people who follow football would conclude Kraft is a better boss than Irsey.  And Josh has a relationship with Kraft.

Cmon .... where’s the fun in that scenario??

Word is McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, "told the OC that he's making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career by backing out of this Colts job at this point". The guy didn't even call his coaches the Colt's had already hired. Colt's fans have one more reason to hate New England. 

^^^ I'm sure his agent is pi$$ed about the money he just lost when his client backed out of the deal.

It's not about the money on that deal.  It's the fact that McDaniels, who already had a poor rep from his botched stint in Denver, has just proven to the world that he's still just as immature and unprofessional as he was then.  So now his agent knows that whatever NE offers in the future is what McDaniels will have to take, because he's poison to the rest of the league.

His former agent is also the agent for the GM of the Colts.  His agent is pissed because another client is pissed.  Bit of a conflict of interests.  Not uncommon in the NFL, it was also a conflict of interests for Brady and Jimmy G to have the same agent.

It's more than pissing off a client. Guys left their teams to coach for him and then he quit on them with not even a call. Going to be hard to find great people who trust him in the future.

I'm not saying this is in the same line of statements (it's close) - but NE fans up here say similar things about Jimmy.  It's almost as though folks don't understand SF, for all intent and purposes, own his rights until they don't want to (or until a work stoppage and new contract brings an end to the franchise tag if he's not under contract by then).  Like Cousins in WAS, if they so desired, SF could simply slap the tag on him every year.

So, sure - NE could get him back.  For a price.

Jimmy Garoppolo will be SF's QB for a minimum of 5-7 years. No tags necessary...Jimmy will have his long-term contract signed before the season starts.

^^^Just Announced,So I'd say no chance of Jimmy G going back to the Patriots...
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/961668166211522561 (https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/961668166211522561)

Mike Garafolo‏Verified account
@MikeGarafoloThe 49ers and QB Jimmy Garoppolo have agreed to a five-year, $137.5 million contract, source says. The biggest deal in NFL history on a average-per-year basis.

^^^ You beat me to the post by 6 minutes...knew that client I was on the phone with was rambling a little long. ;D

Big big mistake.   Way too much

^^^ Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

It's everything I was hoping for.

Now if he can tank like Matt Flynn, this will be one of the best possible non-MIA outcomes for me in a while:

- Deflategate forces Jimmy G to start
- JG overachieves, due in part to a victory over MIA
- SF loses an early pick trading to NE
- SF makes that NE pick worse by winning
- SF makes JG the highest paid QB in the league
- JG falls apart due to no money for a supporting cast and an incompetent front office, while staying far away from NE's highly-competent front office

Dang it man. I liked that conspiracy theory.

Not sure it will help, but you might want to try a good therapist for all that pent-up crapola you've got going on. ;)

I have no judgement on the deal,IMO If the 49ers believe in Jimmy Garoppolo is their guy,then good for them on actually committing to lock him up.(Unlike Washington with Cousins,going year,to year B.S.)

Albert Breer tweeted something Interesting about his contract

@AlbertBreer: Anyone staring at numbers and wondering how Jimmy Garoppolo got that is missing what drives deals. It's not merit, it's leverage. The Niners were gonna have to put the exclusive tag on him at about $26 million. Based on that, $27.5 million per is a fair market deal.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/961743461371215872 (https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/961743461371215872)

Modified to add tweet link

How is an average of $27.5M/year a "fair market deal" when the single-year guarantee is $26M?  That doesn't make any sense.

Seems to me that a fair market multi-year deal would be a lower average-per-year than a single-year franchise tender.  Is there another player whose yearly average is more than what a franchise tag would cost?

Shrugs shoulders,sports contracts don't make sense....

I know franchising him, means every dollar of that 26 million dollar tag is guaranteed,and goes against the cap versus the contract's "average salary" is just the big numbers player want to be thrown around.That "Average Salary" only a portion is guaranteed...

Cousins,and Brees are free agents,Carr,and Stafford just signed big deals...That's the market,and what they're paying...

I imagine there are quite a few players that their avg salary is more than the franchise tag...I know 1 ...an he's on the Dolphins Suh,is currently almost DOUBLE the 1 yr franchise tag for DT's it was like 13.5-ish million in 2017...

Don't like it...oh well ...I'm not going to waste anymore time thinking about it...I'm more concerned about the Dolphins....

That is a lot of money.  Unless he is good enough to cause 49rs fans to consider Joe the 2nd best qb to play for them they spent too much.  Could be difficult to build a team around him with tha much cash tied up in one player.

In Suh's case, the Dolphins had to convince him to sign there.  The only team that could have had him for the franchise tag price was DET.

That isn't the case for JG in SF.

The beginning of the end of the Patriots?

No.

The beginning of the end of Ron Borges coveringthe Patriots?

Now the question is a yes.  Original question left out three key words.  :)

They had to spend too much for a chance at a franchise QB.  If he sucks, he can join the likes of Osweiller, but if he's good, you've locked up you franchise QB for years.  I say you take that chance.

The franchise tag is determined by the average top 5 players at that position salaries in that year*...There is always going to be players making more than the franchise tag...

I don't give a flying fuck Why the Dolphins paid him...It's still a mistake IMO...

I made a mistake on Suh's number his average Salary is about 20,his Number against the cap is nearly twice the franchise tag number 26.1 million this year...His contract is 2 years old,so the DT franchise tag number has gone up based on his salary the past 2 seasons.(He makes 2 million dollars more than any other DT in the league.

Sorry so pissy, got my ass chewed at work.. :-[

Both Keenum and Cousins will end up with larger contracts.  And, if he can wiggle his way out of Philly, Foles will wind up with a large deal as well.  Personally I think Jimmy is going to be really good.  In this league teams pay for good QBs.  It's how it works.

Generally speaking, as a former beat writer, I can confirm this:

It's always good to verify your contacts. 

I mean...it's really complicated, the verification "thing."  But holy crap.

For anyone out of the loop - this morning the Boston Herald ran an article this morning stating that Brady was going to hold out next season unless he got paid (exceeding Jimmy's deal).  The author of the article cited Brady's agent, Don Yee (I think I'm spelling it correctly); stating he had contact with him through text messages and then a verbal conversation the previous night.

Problem was the "agent" was really a fan pretending to be the agent and trolling the reporter.  And he fell for it.  The article stayed on-line for hours after it was exposed and calls into question the writer's entire body of work.  You can't have a slip like this happen and not have it go nuclear, it ruins you.

Ron Borges was also busted for plagiarizing articles back in 2007.  So this is fool me once, shame on... you, fool me can't get fooled again territory.

They took down the online story.  But not so easy to erase all the print editions with that being the lead story of the sports section.  Ron Bogus was fired from the Globe for the plagiarism, the Herald standards being what they are almost immediately hired him.

Hmm autocorrect seems to be very fitting for said reporters name.   :) :) :)

For all the bean counters in the room... Garoppolo won't even be among the top-3 highest paid QBs in the league when the season starts, and by year 4 of that contract, if we haven't extended him, he will be in the bottom half of the league in annual salary.

What a bah-gain!

And, even at that bargain rate, he'll still be one of the top-3 QBs in the league.

But yeah, please continue wringing your hands over how much money a team on the other side of the country is paying their QB.

It amuses me...

I'm always skeptical of the clamor for some QB's that have very limited actual NFL playing experience, like Flynn, Garoppolo, or that crappy AJ Feeley the Dolphins got from Philly a decade ago.  But all signs so far are that Garoppolo is going to be a legitimate top 10 NFL QB.  Osweiller went from one of the top NFL teams to a pretty good NFL team in the Texans, and just stunk; which shows he's just not good.  Conversely, Garoppolo went to a team that was 1-10 (with their lone win against the lowly NY Giants) and proceeded to win five straight, against some very good teams (Titans, Jags, & Rams).  Maybe JimmyG will regress now that there is more film on him and teams can game plan against him better, but IMO SanFran did the right thing in locking him up.

Bingo.  This is why it's a big risk.  Once there was enough film on Colin Kaepernick and teams started figuring him out, he got exposed as a one-dimensional QB.  This is going to be a big boom or a big bust

Yeah, you guys are right...the 49ers should have just tried drafting some rook and hoping he turns out to be something. I mean, who actually cares about winning?

(A: This guy)

The 49ers have, in the course of a little over a year, have added the three things you really need to win in the NFL. A savvy GM, a brilliant head coach and an uber-talented QB who makes the players around him better.

The only negative thing I see happening on that team is Reuben Foster has been arrested again. Looks like the Dolphins dodged a bullet with him ... or at least that is the positive spin I'm taking.

^^^ Yeah, Reuben is disappointing. He's like a young Aldon Smith...so talented, but thinks he's living in an Xbox game or rap video.

Hopefully he can be turned around and salvaged. If not, cut him loose and get another LB.