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Schefter is reporting...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22705144/cleveland-browns-trading-two-draft-picks-miami-dolphins-wide-receiver-jarvis-landry

I am sick and tired of the Dolphins giving away talent for nothing.  Ajayi was the latest example until now.  There had best be a #1 draft pick included in this deal or it'll just be another in a long line of Dolphins garbage transactions to make fans mad.

i'd take 2 2s

I'd take a 1 this year and a 1 next year.

isn't 1 this year the #1 overall pick ?

Let's not jump to conclusions until the official report is out.

This had to happen, so I'm glad we got some stuff for it.  I think Suh is probably next.

Browns have 1 and 4.

Adam Sheffer is reporting that neither pick is a 1st or 2nd round.

It will be between rounds 3 and 7 being reported...


I hate this trade,but At least we didn't trade him to the Ravens,or another "good team".I was sort of hoping the Bears would step (the other team I tend to watch the most,because of Family (Trubisky to Landry would have been fun!),and Happy we didn't trade him the the Chiefs,where I'd have to completely hate him!  :D

 :'( :'( :'( :'( Sad day,Way to Fuck up a Friday Dolphins... :P

Hold the phone, don't the Dolphins have to approve any trade? I find it unlikely that Miami takes a 3rd round pick for Landry especially when it was just reported that Landry was gonna sign his tender which would have meant 2 number 1's to sign him. Something isn't right here. Either Miami is getting a whole lot more than a 3rd rounder for Landry or they aren't trading him. I'm not buying these reports.

Landry was an Non-exclusive Franchise tag,meaning he was free to find a contract,the Dolphins don't match we'd get 1st rounders....We're trading him....

— A nonexclusive franchise tag involves the same salary offer as an exclusive franchise tag, only the player can negotiate with other teams. The player’s current team can match any offer sheet. If the old team declines to match the offer, it gets two first-round picks from the other team as compensation. This is the more commonly used franchise tag.

From old Washington post article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/02/15/nfl-franchise-tag-rules-and-the-top-candidates-to-be-tagged-in-2016/?utm_term=.0d4b5b85193a (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/02/15/nfl-franchise-tag-rules-and-the-top-candidates-to-be-tagged-in-2016/?utm_term=.0d4b5b85193a)

Technically,there is rule against franchising a player with the intent to trade him.Though I've not seen it enforced (I have no clue if it has...)

Reports say that the Dolphins are receiving a pick this year and next year (not in the 1st 2 rounds) from Cleveland.  Looks like this year's pick won't be a third rounder since cbssports.com just reported the Browns just traded their 3rd round pick to the Bills for Tyrod Taylor.

Fleeced by the Browns -- a new low for the idiots running this team.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-acquire-quarterback-tyrod-taylor-from-bills-reportedly-give-up-draft-pick/

I think it's a fourth rounder this year and a seventh next year.

Not much.

Basically, the Dolphins traded Jarvis Landry and Jay Ajayi for.....

Robert Quinn, a fourth in 2018, and a seventh in 2019.


Shrewd......

NFL.com just confirmed what you said.  4th rounder this year and 7th rounder next year.  I guarantee everyone that neither pick will be on the Dolphins at the start of the 2019 season.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000920443/article/cleveland-browns-acquire-jarvis-landry-from-dolphins

Just unbelievable.  Somehow the Bills got more for a QB that was benched last season and wasn't in their plans than the Dolphins got for Landry.  Our front office is now the worst in the league.

I was all against the comparison of Landry for a 4th and Taylor for a 3rd, but until someone said for the simple fact that Landry will be FA after next season, Browns wouldn't give up a 3rd cause he could be gone.

Either way, I'm not totally excited about the trade, but I'm kinda indifferent about it at this point.  He wasn't long term in the Dolphins plans cause he's not worth the $14-16M per season he would be asking after this season.

He's a slot WR that put up nice nos. but averaged 10 yds/catch and the attitude late in the season, particularly the Bills game, wasn't good

In the end, it is what it is and the Dolphins front office wasn't gonna pay him long term.  I'm not saying this is a great trade, but we're still gonna come back and watch the Dolphins cause it's our team. 

I guess I'm at least the glad that the Browns pick for this year is the first pick in the 4th round instead of towards the end of the 4th round.  I didn't expect them to get a 1st round pick from anyone for him.  But I was hoping for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.  Supposedly several teams were interested in him.  If this was the best offer they got, I would hate to see what Chicago and Baltimore were offering.   The 7th round pick next year is essentially a throw away.   7th round picks almost always are.  (this does not mean I want everyone researching the internet for the rare cases where 7th round picks went on to solid NFL careers)

If we just let Landry walk, what would our compensation pick be?

Yes, Miami has to agree to it.  Keep in mind Landry is a very expensive 1 year slot receiver. What this says is MIA doesn't really want to pay the tag price to keep him one more year, but was smart enough to get more in a tag and trade than they would have in compensatory picks if he left via FA.  Not unlike what NE did with Cassel.

Unreal.

They'd get one more year out of him which is better then they will get with the picks they got. I don't understand it. In my opinion might as well trade Tannehill, release Suh and Wake and draft a QB with the 11th pick and start the rebuild now. Perhaps that's the plan or am I being presumptious that they have a plan.

As far as expensive goes, they just got 3 pro bowls out of the man for a box of chocolates. I think maybe they owed him 1 year for $16 mil. There were plenty of other places to recoup that money. Hell just don't trade for Quinn. They really think acquiring Quinn was more important then keeping Landry for 1 year? Quinn will be gone in a year too.

Between Ross shooting off his mouth again and this trade, I'm gonna find it hard to wear my Dolphins jersey again this year. Maybe it's time for me to start the rebuild process on a new franchise. I'm officially disgusted with them right now and very bitter that I actually believed Gase when he said they were ready to pay him $16 million to play for the Dolphins in 2018. That was a flat out lie.

For a guy who made multiple Pro Bowls, a late third rounder is quite possible.

Unless the dolphins are active in FA, in which case it could be nothing. 

*****pure speculation ****

One way this could have gone down.

Landry:  I want to get paid some serious coin to re-sign.

Fins:  we were hoping you would give us a discount to stay.

Landry: Fuck that I either want to have a legitimate shot at a ring or I want top dollar, I am not giving a 6-10 team a discount, I would rather play for a team like NE, Pit, Minn or Phil than Mia.

Fins:  Fuck you, enjoy your time playing for a 0-16 team

Possible.

In the right hands the Browns cap space and draft pick haul is enough to basically turn that team into a contender this season, but in current management's hands? No reason to think they win more than 3.

Yeah, this crossed my mind too.

It seems pretty obvious now that the team wasn't ever that serious about keeping Landry, but the trade value just doesn't seem to be worth the effort of going the franchise tag. Was all this done just so the guy didn't wind up at the Patriots (or maybe the Bills, Jets?)

So as of now, the offensive line is still a leaky patchwork, and in the last six months we traded away our number one running back and number one wide receiver for basically sweet bugger all. God help Tannehill or whomever the starting QB is at the beginning of this season - they will need all the help and prayers they can get!

... and the Miami front office wonders why some supporters think they are a bunch of clueless morons while they are steering this once great team into the sewer pond. Up shit creek without a paddle, yeah that's the feeling a lot of us have right now.

His attitude has been mentioned now, but that wasn't an issue for the first 3 years. Something must have set him off... perhaps how things are handled in MIA

I brought up the article, and mentioned to many of my 'fins buddies, that this could go down poorly back in June '17. 

Would anyone be surprised if Landry goes to the Pro Bowl next season and Cleveland puts up the same (or better) record than MIA?

Yep, looks like that is indeed the plan.

By now, Tanny is probably HOPING he gets traded.  Especially since it looks like the Dolphins are going to gut the team and fill the roster with low cost, low talent players.  As if Tanny hasn't gotten beaten up enough over the years with that god-awful offensive line.  Their O-Line this year may make last year's OL look like future Hall of Famers.  The poor kid probably won't survive the first 6 games of the year. 

Apparently, the plan is to sign a veteran "leader" to get the offensive line working. Chemistry and coaching matters a heck of lot for the o-line and other teams have gotten a lot better results out of less talent than the Dolphins. Hopefully the renewed focus on these two elements will be enough to keep Tannehill upright.

Good point, I agree with you completely. 

I heard or read something yesterday about that and it really got my attention.  Everyone that Miami gets rid of, the organization puts out some disparaging remark about.  They are like the dumb young guy who breaks up with his girlfriend, but rather than just letting it go, they have to say to everyone, "I never liked that bish anyway."    They traded Ajayi and had to put it out there that he was selfish and not a team guy, etc.  They trade Landry, who from all accounts was very committed to playing hard for the team every week, hated losing, etc and they had to put it out there that he didn't get along with the coach, wasn't a good locker room influence....yet none of that seemed to bother them until he was a free agent.   Now they cut Suh, who worked his ass off more than probably any other player on the team and instead of just saying, "Well, because we don't know how to balance a checkbook and got ourselves in salary cap trouble, we have to cut salary so we are letting him go".......they have to put it out there and say, "He was selfish and too introverted to be a leader."   Yet again, gee, you didn't seem to think those things during the first 3 years of his contract.  Their personnel moves make them look stupid and their narratives make them look childish. 

^ The talk about Landry has been out there for a long time. Coaches have publicly complained about him not running the right routes, doing as he was told, faulting his preparation and participation in meetings. Not bashing him outright, but certainly more than you would expect of a player putting up big numbers. Some of those same things were said publicly about Ajayi as well, especially this year (before his trade). Always trying for the home run instead of just taking the "safe" yards like the coaches asked him to. And, don't forget, Ajayi was benched in 2016 for his poor attitude, so these things aren't coming out of nowhere.

While I would like the Dolphins to pretty much stay silent as they part ways with players, reporters are always going to dig around and try and find at least off-the-record sources to say shit. That's just the way it is.

Yeah, that is true.  And I should have taken into account the fact that reporters care a lot more about making a headline than they do about accuracy in their articles.  I just find it a little odd that with Landry and Suh, whatever issues they had with them weren't really enough to do anything about until they became a financial burden. 

ok, so we'll just see if the Dolphins are better off without Landry. They signed another slot receiver who I guess has a great attitude, I'm sure that he'll have 1000 yards of offense next year...and the following year they'll be complaining that he freelances, doesn't always run the right routes, gets penalties, etc. This is called WR 101. I'm not sure where the Dolphins think they are going to find a WR that goes to 3 pro bowls in 4 years that doesn't think his shit doesn't smell. I've never actually seen one in the NFL.

The thing about Landry that is being overlooked is that he was doing the job of two players, since Miami hasn't had a decent T.E. since Dan Campbell left to coach at N.O.

Makes sense since they just signed two players (Wilson and Amendola) to replace him. 

And he got less yards than a peewee player. The guy is no difference maker.

Landry is not the guy who is going to score the spectacular 60 yard TD reception, BUT he was absolutely the biggest difference maker on the Dolphins offense last year.  He was responsible for 9 of the 24 TD receptions last year, Stills was second with 6, and the other 9 were split up amongst six other guys.  The Dolphins only managed (4) rushing TD's last year, so of the 28 TD's the Dolphins scored Landry was responsible for more than 32% of the scoring by TD.  He was seventh in the entire NFL for 1st Down receptions with 60.  Now I don't think he's worth $16M, or even $14M per year, but let's be honest he is a HUGE contributor.  If the Dolphins didn't screw around before the start of last season they probably could have signed him to 10 or 11 million per year before 2017 season start.

Amendola & Wilson's combined cost & 2017 Stats vs. Landry

Cost $14 Million - could have signed Landry for that much

Receptions: 103 vs. 112 for Landry

First Downs: 72 vs. 60 for Landry

Receiving Yards: 1213 vs. 987 for Landry

TD's: 5 vs. 9 for Landry

He had 1 spectacular 50 yard TD reception. See #1 from link below. He also had a 70 yard punt return for a TD, a 30 yard run for a TD and another 65 yard reception that didn't go for a TD on this list. I think he was pretty spectacular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBwrk7sSurA

As i said all along, the plan was not to have him here in 2018 so why worry about locking him in?

You found an average of one a year. He really is a breakaway threat.

Yeah, don't see that many WR's with multiple 60 yd TD's a year. Even fewer on the Dolphins roster. :)

News coming down the Pipes,Landry is signing an extension with the Browns,Avg salary 15 million a year...
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/984446083618295808 (https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/984446083618295808)
Sources: The #Browns and WR Jarvis Landry are finalizing a 5-year monster extension. The deal is expected to be done today. Huge payoff for the former #Dolphins star.

Good for him...

Updated...
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/984447267758313472 (https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/984447267758313472)
The #Browns and WR Jarvis Landry are going to agree to terms on a 5-year, $75.5M extension, sources say. He gets $47M guaranteed… crazy for those who considered him a slot receiver.

 :o

whew...happy for him, but that would have been too much $ in MIA.

5th highest paid receiver? Wow, that's insane. However, it's about $3 Million more a year than he should get. If you are the Browns and have $100 Million in cap space, it's fine to overpay for a player you think is worth having around. Not like they traded anything of value for him either.

Fuck that shit. People running the Browns are on crack or something, dude is worth $8-$9M max. Glad he's gone, good riddance.

Hey he got his money. Wish him the best

A player is "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay them.  I'm not going to hate on someone for getting a big paycheck.

If you're the Browns, you HAVE to overpay.  Who the hell would want to play or live there?

Congrats to Landry, he deserves a big payday he outperformed his rookie contract.  The Dolphins were lucky to have him, and I think they will be missing him this season when they need to convert a third down.

I think they will miss him even more than that this season, but even beyond that I think they will REALLY miss him 2 or 3 years from now when Amendola is out of the league and Landry is still putting in nice seasons. THAT's when they will really realize what they lost. Now is he worth $15 million a year, of course not, no one is but right or wrong that's the going rate for a player of his caliber.

If you think Landry is being overpaid, wait until you see what next offseason's receivers get.

2 quick things...

1.) Breaking news at the moment is Dez Bryant is about to be released by the Cowboys,Jarvis Landrys' contract is more than Dez with the Cowboys.Now that Dez is on the open market,I'm curious to see what he'll receive on the open market.We'll see how he's valued...

2.) I like alot of people happy for Jarvis,Agree Landry being gone will hurt us more beyond,but I still feel Landry being gone impact will be pretty noticeable this year (I'm of the feeling Amendola,and Parker will probably both end up getting hurt THIS year)