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Title: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: stinkfish on October 05, 2018, 08:36:38 am So I'll come right out and admit that I'm a Patriots hater. But I'm not letting that cloud or impact my post. This is just a question coming from a football fan, and not a hater I just have this thought, and you can all let me know if I'm crazy. I think, that if Brady was on any other team, he would just be any other QB. I think that he's just a system QB. The example I've used for this is Matt Cassel. When Brady went down in '08 (?) Cassel stepped in and still won 11 for the Patriots, then went to KC where he didn't really do much of anything. There's more that I could go into this, but can't right now. I'm being watched lol
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Sunstroke on October 05, 2018, 09:14:08 am Yep, you are, indeed, crazy. Batshit crazy even... ;D Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 05, 2018, 10:29:09 am When Brady went down the patriots won 5 less games. Any one player that can change your win total by 5 games in a 16 game season is not insignificant.
And any QB who can connect with 71 different recivers for a TD can be successful in multiple systems. However, when dividing up how much of the Patriots success has been Brady and how much is Belichick, I give the coach more of the credit than the QB. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Tenshot13 on October 05, 2018, 10:31:29 am He's a garbage cheater...GCOAT
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: CF DolFan on October 05, 2018, 10:58:07 am I think Brady is in the conversation ... but I also think that's all any player could hope for. Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas are all worthy of putting in the conversation but there is no way of ever knowing who really is.
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Dave Gray on October 05, 2018, 11:11:44 am I don't think Brady has the best physical tools of all time, but he certainly is difficult to rattle, is mentally prepared, understands the game, and makes few mistakes.
I thought for a few years that he was a glorified game manager, but eventually I realized how good he is. He is one of the greatest of all time, IMO. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: BigDaddyFin on October 08, 2018, 08:47:18 am Brady is not the Greatest of All Time. He is one out of maybe the top 5 or top 10. Can you see Brady bitching to the ref for a flag while Deacon Jones and Merlin Olsen are taking turns on him? How great would he be if he had to call his own plays? Could he pull a Roger Staubach and spend 4 years in the Navy? He is one of the greats sure. You have to be to win that many Superbowl rings but he's not THE greatest.
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Spider-Dan on October 09, 2018, 12:01:30 am I see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as basically improved versions of Joe Montana and Dan Marino.
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Tenshot13 on October 09, 2018, 09:20:56 am Brees GOAT
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: DaLittle B on October 09, 2018, 10:22:22 am My thoughts were I agree,with Dave,and Spider...on him being the GOAT.
I don't think he was ever the most talented QB,but it's hard to overlook his drive,competitiveness,preparations (keeping himself in shape,and working with his personal coach on his mechanic,etc)...IMO all these things can be said about Drew Brees too...(I don't know near as much about Drew,as Tom). I also think the era,and rules of the game work in his favor,but I **personally** can penalize him for that,It's something he has no control over... Like him or not He's won...As a Dolphins fan,I have to admire his accomplishments as a player... Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 09, 2018, 11:05:12 am I see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as basically improved versions of Joe Montana and Dan Marino. I would say that is fair. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 09, 2018, 11:19:56 am Brees GOAT If you are going to make a case there is a contemporary QB better than Brady, Rodgers rather than Brees makes the more compelling argument. Outside of Brady’s phenomenal post-season success the two best arguments in his favor are low turnover rate and the fact he plays in a Northern outdoor stadium. Not throwing an interception is more important than throwing a TD. Rodgers is the only QB with a better int % than Brady. One other QB is tied with Brady but is unemployed for political reasons. Completing passes in Green Bay or NE winter is more challenging than indoors in NOLA. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: CF DolFan on October 09, 2018, 11:21:01 am How are they "improved"? Are you saying Brady would have had better results than Montana under the rules he played and that Manning would have been better than Marino with DBs draped all over his receivers and no running game?
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Tenshot13 on October 09, 2018, 12:46:42 pm If you are going to make a case there is a contemporary QB better than Brady, Rodgers rather than Brees makes the more compelling argument. Outside of Brady’s phenomenal post-season success the two best arguments in his favor are low turnover rate and the fact he plays in a Northern outdoor stadium. Not throwing an interception is more important than throwing a TD. Rodgers is the only QB with a better int % than Brady. One other QB is tied with Brady but is unemployed for political reasons. Completing passes in Green Bay or NE winter is more challenging than indoors in NOLA. Brees has more passing yards than any other QB ever, essentially tied with Brady on most td passes, never had a defense, won a superbowl... From wiki NFL records Most career passing yards Most career pass completions 471 pass completions in a season Highest career completion percentage 72.0 single-season completion percentage 7 touchdown passes in a game (tied) 54 consecutive games with a touchdown pass Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: stinkfish on October 09, 2018, 01:21:55 pm For what it's worth, the QB that I want with the game on the line is Rodgers. I think he's maybe the best active QB in the league right now, and has been for a little bit.
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: bsmooth on October 14, 2018, 04:51:00 pm Brees has more passing yards than any other QB ever, essentially tied with Brady on most td passes, never had a defense, won a superbowl... From wiki NFL records Most career passing yards Most career pass completions 471 pass completions in a season Highest career completion percentage 72.0 single-season completion percentage 7 touchdown passes in a game (tied) 54 consecutive games with a touchdown pass How were his stats in open air San Diego vs inside NOLA? Pretty to chuck the ball all day long when weather plays no role in you or your teammates ability to throw and catch passes. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Spider-Dan on October 15, 2018, 05:35:52 pm Then why haven't QBs from SEA/ATL/ARI been owning the record books since the '80s? Why did Peyton set every single season record in existence playing outdoors in Denver, surpassing Brady who set them playing outdoors in Foxboro?
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: masterfins on October 16, 2018, 01:15:41 pm Watching the Patriots vs. Chiefs game the other night it's hard to not argue for Brady being the GOAT. He has such a command of the game, and a 6th, 7th, and 8th sense of what is going on before the ball is even snapped.
Rogers is a close second, and has some tools that Brady doesn't, but overall Brady is better. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Tenshot13 on October 16, 2018, 01:50:34 pm Watching the Patriots vs. Chiefs game the other night it's hard to not argue for Brady being the GOAT. He has such a command of the game, and a 6th, 7th, and 8th sense of what is going on before the ball is even snapped. That's, like, you're opinion man.Rogers is a close second, and has some tools that Brady doesn't, but overall Brady is better. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Spider-Dan on October 16, 2018, 03:00:39 pm Rodgers is no closer to the GOAT than Kevin Durant, or Steph Curry three years ago.
Let's not confuse "best right now" with "greatest ever." Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: masterfins on October 16, 2018, 06:33:12 pm That's, like, you're opinion man. At least I'm housebroken. :D Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: MaineDolFan on October 22, 2018, 01:31:20 pm Can you see Brady bitching to the ref for a flag while Deacon Jones and Merlin Olsen are taking turns on him? Did you ever see Dan Marino play? You're all nuts. Brady is next level good. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: BigDaddyFin on October 24, 2018, 08:21:59 am Did you ever see Dan Marino play? You're all nuts. Brady is next level good. Yes. I go all the way back to the Marks Brothers. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: stinkfish on October 25, 2018, 06:46:15 pm You're all nuts. Brady is next level good. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Spider-Dan on October 26, 2018, 01:58:31 am If you still think Brady is a "system QB" after 2007, I don't know what to tell you.
"System QBs" don't throw 50 TDs in a season. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Sunstroke on October 26, 2018, 10:21:33 am "System QBs" don't throw 50 TDs in a season. Might be one of the most illogical things I've seen you post up here. If a QB is in a system that requires them to throw the everloving fuck out of the ball, then yessir...a system QB can throw 50 TDs in a season. Not saying that Brady is a system QB...just that your line of reasoning was faulty there. Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: MaineDolFan on October 26, 2018, 03:11:13 pm There are some athletes we are lucky to be witness to. Problem is, until they are gone, you generally aren't aware of how special they are. Brady is one of them.
Title: Re: Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat? Post by: Spider-Dan on October 26, 2018, 09:08:30 pm Might be one of the most illogical things I've seen you post up here. If a QB is in a system that requires them to throw the everloving fuck out of the ball, then yessir...a system QB can throw 50 TDs in a season. I don't understand your point here. Are you saying that a system QB could have thrown for 50 TDs in a season? Well, sure, that is not impossible... but there have been many, MANY teams with systems that required the QB to "throw the everloving fuck out of the ball," and yet the only two QBs to ever throw 50 TDs in a season are:1) the guy with the most NFL MVP awards in league history, who had nearly every NFL passing record in existence when he retired 2) the guy with the most Super Bowl MVPs in league history, who is also tied for the second-most NFL MVP awards In any case, I never said that system QBs "can't" throw for 50 TDs in a season; I said that they don't. Because they haven't. |