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Title: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 14, 2018, 12:02:42 pm
Tanny haters rejoice, the Era of Brock has begun.

http://bleacherreport.com/post/miami-dolphins/bc611111-5f72-4e23-aaa5-a57231b8e7fc (http://bleacherreport.com/post/miami-dolphins/bc611111-5f72-4e23-aaa5-a57231b8e7fc)


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: pondwater on October 14, 2018, 12:46:32 pm
In latest news, Matt Moore was seen hanging around the VIP lounge drinking fruity drinks and reading a playbook, LMAO.

Here we go, the implosion begins....


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 14, 2018, 01:20:26 pm
In latest news, Brock looks world's better than Tannehill has this season.  Commanding drive.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: stinkfish on October 14, 2018, 04:48:09 pm
I don’t know. That number 8 QB? Wasn’t that Marty Moore’s number? He’s back!


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 14, 2018, 04:51:39 pm
Brock Osweiler for starter.  He actually reads progressions and throws the ball away.  He's a better QB for this team than Tannehill. 


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: pondwater on October 14, 2018, 05:04:40 pm
Gase just walked out of the post game press conference. He looked pretty annoyed that they kept asking about Tannehill and Osweiler. Poor guy can't even enjoy a win. He must be a blast a parties, haha.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 14, 2018, 05:47:58 pm
Brock isn't some 1st round pick that the fans ant to start. This is Brock Osweiller, he is total garbage. He had a good game, maybe he can have another one but that's it.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 14, 2018, 07:10:39 pm
Brock isn't some 1st round pick that the fans ant to start. This is Brock Osweiller, he is total garbage. He had a good game, maybe he can have another one but that's it.
He just put up 380 yds and 3 TDs against the 2nd best defense in the league. Gase gets the most out of him.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Phishfan on October 14, 2018, 09:53:22 pm
. Gase gets the most out of him.

Let's not get carried away with one game, especially a game where we switched starters that morning, they said the same thing about Cutler


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: fyo on October 15, 2018, 07:29:41 am
He just put up 380 yds and 3 TDs against the 2nd best defense in the league. Gase gets the most out of him.

Seriously, go back and look at the game. Actually WATCH it. He had a great game for a backup, but he's not a good quarterback. He has NO arm and cannot throw the ball down the field at all. His yards today were extremely YAC heavy. That interception on the out route was just way, way too easy. Stared down his receiver all the way.

I haven't been happy with Tannehill this season and have criticized him even after what other people considered a great game, so there's no pro Tannhill bias here, this is just about Brock.

But just like everyone was ecstatic about Tannehill after a win with good stats, so it is with Brock now.

Oh, and the offensive line is still laughably bad, if you go and look at the tape. One stunt or linebacker coming instead of an end, and it's a clean shot at the QB. The only reason we haven't been taking more sacks this season is because the play calling is designed to get the ball out ridiculously quickly, plus keeping a bunch of extra guys in to block (close to max-protect). Our running backs, Gore in particular, have done a spectacular job blocking.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 15, 2018, 08:46:35 am
Seriously, go back and look at the game. Actually WATCH it. He had a great game for a backup, but he's not a good quarterback. He has NO arm and cannot throw the ball down the field at all. His yards today were extremely YAC heavy. That interception on the out route was just way, way too easy. Stared down his receiver all the way.

I haven't been happy with Tannehill this season and have criticized him even after what other people considered a great game, so there's no pro Tannhill bias here, this is just about Brock.

But just like everyone was ecstatic about Tannehill after a win with good stats, so it is with Brock now.

Oh, and the offensive line is still laughably bad, if you go and look at the tape. One stunt or linebacker coming instead of an end, and it's a clean shot at the QB. The only reason we haven't been taking more sacks this season is because the play calling is designed to get the ball out ridiculously quickly, plus keeping a bunch of extra guys in to block (close to max-protect). Our running backs, Gore in particular, have done a spectacular job blocking.
No doubt Tannehill has a better arm.  No doubt the second INT was a bad throw. 

Difference I saw was Brock had command over the offense like I've never seen with Tannehill.  Difference being he reads progressions.  Difference being he may stare down receivers a bit, but not like Tannehill does.  Difference being he wasn't responsible for 2 defensive touchdowns (although you could argue he did cause one) that cost us the game.  Difference being Brock just put up 31 points on the 2nd best defense in football.  Difference being, he gets the ball out of his hands and doesn't hold on to it like a dummy, even on quick throws.

Thing is, Tannehill isn't a good QB either.  I've really lost faith in him this year, he looks mostly lost.  His success has also come from YAC yards from Grant and Wilson.  The offense just looks a lot better with Brock under center.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on October 15, 2018, 09:08:49 am
Seriously, go back and look at the game. Actually WATCH it. He had a great game for a backup, but he's not a good quarterback. He has NO arm and cannot throw the ball down the field at all. His yards today were extremely YAC heavy. That interception on the out route was just way, way too easy. Stared down his receiver all the way.

I haven't been happy with Tannehill this season and have criticized him even after what other people considered a great game, so there's no pro Tannhill bias here, this is just about Brock.

But just like everyone was ecstatic about Tannehill after a win with good stats, so it is with Brock now.

Oh, and the offensive line is still laughably bad, if you go and look at the tape. One stunt or linebacker coming instead of an end, and it's a clean shot at the QB. The only reason we haven't been taking more sacks this season is because the play calling is designed to get the ball out ridiculously quickly, plus keeping a bunch of extra guys in to block (close to max-protect). Our running backs, Gore in particular, have done a spectacular job blocking.

No doubt Tannehill has a better arm.  No doubt the second INT was a bad throw. 

Difference I saw was Brock had command over the offense like I've never seen with Tannehill.  Difference being he reads progressions.  Difference being he may stare down receivers a bit, but not like Tannehill does.  Difference being he wasn't responsible for 2 defensive touchdowns (although you could argue he did cause one) that cost us the game.  Difference being Brock just put up 31 points on the 2nd best defense in football.  Difference being, he gets the ball out of his hands and doesn't hold on to it like a dummy, even on quick throws.

Thing is, Tannehill isn't a good QB either.  I've really lost faith in him this year, he looks mostly lost.  His success has also come from YAC yards from Grant and Wilson.  The offense just looks a lot better with Brock under center.

On one hand, the Bears had no tape on Osweiler.   That could very well change next week.  I've seen it countless times where the backup gets a surprise start or comes in mid-game and plays lights out, then the next week he gets blasted when his opponents have a full week to prepare for him. 

On the other hand, this offense did look much better with Osweiler under center.   Keeping the guy with starting experience as your backup turned out to be a stroke of genius for your GM. 


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Phishfan on October 15, 2018, 09:14:07 am
On one hand, the Bears had no tape on Osweiler.   That could very well change next week.  I've seen it countless times where the backup gets a surprise start or comes in mid-game and plays lights out, then the next week he gets blasted when his opponents have a full week to prepare for him. 



Dolphins fans saw it throughout Moore's time with us but some are still taking the bait.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 15, 2018, 09:15:09 am
Dolphins fans saw it throughout Moore's time with us but some are still taking the bait.
Moore was a gunslinger that took chances.  Brock looks like he has the best command of this offense than any other QB I've seen under Gase's tender.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Sunstroke on October 15, 2018, 09:23:12 am

I'll leave it to The Onion...

https://sports.theonion.com/is-it-time-for-the-osweiler-family-to-admit-the-brock-o-1820135808 (https://sports.theonion.com/is-it-time-for-the-osweiler-family-to-admit-the-brock-o-1820135808)




Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Dolphster on October 16, 2018, 08:39:06 am
The old saying about the most popular player on a team being the backup QB apparently still rings true.  Brock is a serviceable backup. Nothing more. 


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 16, 2018, 10:02:10 am
Era of Brock or error of Brock?


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Dolphster on October 16, 2018, 10:33:26 am
The month of Brocktober. 


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 16, 2018, 10:40:11 am
Brock Lobster to the rescue

(https://preview.redd.it/pk9bf511hes11.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aa2e67c7bdb41e27701b43d29d9065fe2532ca31)


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: hordman on October 16, 2018, 12:19:46 pm
Brock Lobster to the rescue

^^^^^^^

this is freakin' awesome!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 16, 2018, 12:57:14 pm
Smokin Jay Cutler, Brock Lobster.... Ryan Tannehill


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 16, 2018, 12:58:30 pm
You all are missing an opportunity.  Tampa had Fitzmagic, now we have it (Minkah) plus a Brock Lobster... BROCK LOBSTAH!  Jump on the hype train.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: masterfins on October 16, 2018, 01:08:13 pm
If you are going to call something an "Era" doesn't it have to at least last several years?  If there is even the slightest chance of Brock being the Dolphins QB for even a single year I'm becoming a Browns Fan.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 16, 2018, 01:49:04 pm
If you are going to call something an "Era" doesn't it have to at least last several years?  If there is even the slightest chance of Brock being the Dolphins QB for even a single year I'm becoming a Browns Fan.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ijoii9lApgGoU/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 17, 2018, 06:29:07 am
Tannehill highly unlikely to play against Lions.  We then go to play the Texans Thursday so if we see Tannehill again, it won't be until after the bye week.

https://footballmaven.io/dolphins/news/five-reasons-network-report-tannehill-unlikely-to-play-sunday-vs-lions-37jqXpjkgkG0vHuSFYI_2w/ (https://footballmaven.io/dolphins/news/five-reasons-network-report-tannehill-unlikely-to-play-sunday-vs-lions-37jqXpjkgkG0vHuSFYI_2w/)

If Brock Lobster goes 3-0 and looks good doing it, then do you make him the starter?


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: hordman on October 17, 2018, 08:24:57 am
I might dive into this more with some research on ESPN, but would like to know Osweiler's stats/W&L record after he performs well in a game

His career is polarizing, at least on the surface, but he does possess several qualities in a QB, big guy (can't coach height), reads defenses well, decent mobility.  Only thing that was really noticeable on Sunday was his arm strength and he does have brain farts at times, like the nearly pick-6.  Who here, screamed "don't throw that pass!" when he threw that one out to the sideline?


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on October 17, 2018, 09:09:43 am
If ya SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL what The Brock is cookin'


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: masterfins on October 17, 2018, 01:17:01 pm
So I looked up info about Tannehill's current injury, and if it is so bad that he can't suit up for this game (and maybe the next) his career with the Dolphins is over after this season.  You just can't have an average QB on the roster that constantly misses games.  Looking at his contract for next year, he is due to get paid $18,750,000.00 dollars next year, with a cap hit of $26.6 MILLION dollars.  The Dolphins just can't tie up that much money on a questionable player, with repeated missed games over three consecutive season.  If they cut him next year the dead cap money is $13.4 Million against the cap, verus the $26.6M if they keep him. (Heck, Tom Brady who is working on a two year extension for this year and next year is only making $20M this year, and $15M next year.).

So, I guess maybe it is the Brock Era, well at least for this year and until they can get next years' drafted QB ready to start.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 17, 2018, 01:44:53 pm
If Lobster man can keep this up, I'm fine with them ditching Tannehill, keep Brock, draft a QB and have him wait with a clipboard until it's his time.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Dolphster on October 18, 2018, 07:57:31 am
Brock Ness Monster?


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 18, 2018, 09:07:20 am
Brock and Roll!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/T6bUbdo89eCEo/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: DaLittle B on October 18, 2018, 09:08:20 am
I feel like the whole Tannehill,now Brock mania,are being set up by false expectations :o...Tannehill coming back playing ok the 1st few games then having some clunkers after the injuries to the O-line,and after 1 game by Brock thinking he's going to be so much better. ???  :o Are you guy's going to be calling for David Fales when Brock has a clunker?

So I looked up info about Tannehill's current injury, and if it is so bad that he can't suit up for this game (and maybe the next) his career with the Dolphins is over after this season.  You just can't have an average QB on the roster that constantly misses games.  Looking at his contract for next year, he is due to get paid $18,750,000.00 dollars next year, with a cap hit of $26.6 MILLION dollars.  The Dolphins just can't tie up that much money on a questionable player, with repeated missed games over three consecutive season.  If they cut him next year the dead cap money is $13.4 Million against the cap, verus the $26.6M if they keep him. (Heck, Tom Brady who is working on a two year extension for this year and next year is only making $20M this year, and $15M next year.).

So, I guess maybe it is the Brock Era, well at least for this year and until they can get next years' drafted QB ready to start.

**Hijack Rant***
Pffftt...next year? That requires some type of forethought. :D That's asking far too much,this team doesn't think past this game.

IMO this team needs a tear down rebuild from the ground up,to thin out these bad contracts,and bodges. Hopefully it will be with a new front office. We'll have 13 million in cap penalties next year from Suh,if we dump Tannehill another 13 million penalty.Reshad Jones, Love him as a player,but damn he's missing too many games each year,and 17 million cap number (23 million of we cut him)...Yeah we'll have some money(No Parker,rearrange some contracts,cuts etc) as long we don't go shopping in free agency with this front office...https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/ (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/)

** End hijack rant****

Let's see if the O-line shows up this week,Brock knows the system well.I'm hopeful he can not blow it and keep us in the game....But no that confident.It was awesome seeing us getting in many more manageable 2nd +3rd down situations last week versus the Bears.Those weren't there a lot the past few weeks,Our running game gaining 1-2 yards ,or losing yards on 1st down.



Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 18, 2018, 09:13:11 am
I feel like the whole Tannehill,now Brock mania,are being set up by false expectations :o...Tannehill coming back playing ok the 1st few games then having some clunkers after the injuries to the O-line,and after 1 game by Brock thinking he's going to be so much better. ???  :o Are you guy's going to be calling for David Fales when Brock has a clunker?

**Hijack Rant***
Pffftt...next year? That requires some type of forethought. :D That's asking far too much,this team doesn't think past this game.

IMO this team needs a tear down rebuild from the ground up,to thin out these bad contracts,and bodges. Hopefully it will be with a new front office. We'll have 13 million in cap penalties next year from Suh,if we dump Tannehill another 13 million penalty.Reshad Jones, Love him as a player,but damn he's missing too many games each year,and 17 million cap number (23 million of we cut him)...Yeah we'll have some money(No Parker,rearrange some contracts,cuts etc) as long we don't go shopping in free agency with this front office...https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/ (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/)

** End hijack rant****

Let's see if the O-line shows up this week,Brock knows the system well.I'm hopeful he can not blow it and keep us in the game....But no that confident.It was awesome seeing us getting in many more manageable 2nd +3rd down situations last week versus the Bears.Those weren't there a lot the past few weeks,Our running game gaining 1-2 yards ,or losing yards on 1st down.



We're 4-2, tied for 4th best record in the league, and you want to blow things up?  Come on man!


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 18, 2018, 10:11:40 am
Detroit is 2-3 and Houston is 3-3. Both games are winnable but Brock has to not suck and we can't keep losing starters every single game due to injury. Honestly, it's a minor miracle we are 4-2.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 18, 2018, 10:40:55 am
Detroit is 2-3 and Houston is 3-3. Both games are winnable but Brock has to not suck and we can't keep losing starters every single game due to injury. Honestly, it's a minor miracle we are 4-2.
It's also a minor miracle we're not 5-1.  It took two defensive TDs from Cinci one of which was a freak play.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 18, 2018, 11:55:16 am
We're 4-2, tied for 4th best record in the league, and you want to blow things up?  Come on man!

Got to agree with 10 here.  If you are 2-4 you lmight be thinking about next year.  If you are 4-2 and tied both for the division and the wildcard, you focus on making the playoffs.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: DaLittle B on October 18, 2018, 12:03:20 pm
I'm not the one that brought up next year,but just commented on it ::)....Excuse the fuck out of me,all the Tannehill haters,keep screaming draft a QB ::)....I'd like to actually have an O-line to protect a QB,and have a chance to succeed... :P 

This is exactly why we've had these 20 years of futility...."But,We're just A,B,And C players away from being contenders" " We have this Record"...Then the wheels fall off...We do just enough,and get lucky here and there...and go right into that mode...again...


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 18, 2018, 01:21:49 pm
From what I understand, it wasn’t that Brock played lights out, but rather the Oline had it’s best game of the season.  And a constant refrain during Tannihill’s entire tenure is that he is stuck behind a terrible oline. 

This begs the question why did the oline play better?  Did the oline finally come together and gell just in time for Brock?  Or is there something Brock is doing different that makes the Oline better?  Does RT have a weakness at communicating with. the oline, a chemistry issue with them etc?. 


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 18, 2018, 02:03:17 pm
From what I understand, it wasn’t that Brock played lights out, but rather the Oline had it’s best game of the season.  And a constant refrain during Tannihill’s entire tenure is that he is stuck behind a terrible oline. 

This begs the question why did the oline play better?  Did the oline finally come together and gell just in time for Brock?  Or is there something Brock is doing different that makes the Oline better?  Does RT have a weakness at communicating with. the oline, a chemistry issue with them etc?. 
After watching how Brock called everything at the line, and how it was so much better than anything I've seen Tannehill do, I would say that is exactly the reason why.  RT has a weakness in that department, as well as holding on to the ball too long.  Never really had pocket awareness.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Dolphster on October 19, 2018, 08:05:50 am
I have so much faith in Brock that I picked Detroit as my Fan Duel Defense this week.   ;D


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on October 19, 2018, 08:34:48 am
Brock and Roll!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/T6bUbdo89eCEo/giphy.gif)

Doc Brock and Spiderman


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: fyo on October 19, 2018, 04:45:34 pm
From what I understand, it wasn’t that Brock played lights out, but rather the Oline had it’s best game of the season.  And a constant refrain during Tannihill’s entire tenure is that he is stuck behind a terrible oline. 

This begs the question why did the oline play better?  Did the oline finally come together and gell just in time for Brock?  Or is there something Brock is doing different that makes the Oline better?  Does RT have a weakness at communicating with. the oline, a chemistry issue with them etc?. 

The Oline wasn't better. Rewatching the game shows that pretty clearly. It's also backed up by PFF's grades.

What happened wasn't that the 5 guys up front played better, but that they had A TON of help. Basically, deciding to put two hats on Khalil Mack EVERY DOWN, regardless, meant that there always had to be someone on the end of the line (often two), plus quite often a runningback to pick up the blitz. In a standard 4-man rush, which the Bears sent quite often, that put the Dolphins with 6-8 guys against 4. Even when Chicago sent an extra guy, the Dolphins basically had at least 1 guy for an extra double-team.

The result of that, of course, is that there was basically no deep game, at all. The route options are pretty limited when so many guys are kept in to block. It does open up some throws to the tight ends, which we also saw, plus throws to running backs and some screens -- and that covers most of the passes in that game.

The Lions have this on tape, so if the Dolphins don't do anything to mix things up, it's going to be a really tough day on offense. On the other hand, Brock seemed to have a much weaker arm than anyone had expected. If everyone knows you can't throw the deep ball, a decent out, or anything across the field when out of the pocket, then there's little reason to have guys running those routes. Might as well keep some more guys in pass protect.

I fully expect we'll see tons of runs and very short throws on Sunday. If the receivers can pull off some miracle YAC, Brock could wind up with some decent stats. Otherwise, it's going to be up to Gore.


Title: Re: Tannehill out, now begins the Era of Brock
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 19, 2018, 07:56:00 pm
Those meaty claws are going to carve up the Lions defense, we win by 20 points