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We are currently in the 16th position but could move down to 10-11 with 2 losses and some luck.  Is this something you would hope for or do you find the idea revolting?

Great conversation between Channing Crowder and Randy McMichael on the radio yesterday. They were discussing how fans root for teams to tank for better draft picks. Both of them agreed no player would ever say that and in fact would be pissed to hear someone say that. Randy mentioned that you never know if that pick will be your replacement so you play your ass off every game to keep your job regardless.

being a fan and being a player are two different things....

at this point many of the players are playing to keep their job or impress the next team. 

dare say the same is true for the coaching staff as well.  Gases job could hinge on the next two games.

i could see a situation where the very final game is the difference between 1 and 2 where an owner or safe GM could tell a hc your job is safe for next year....but i want you lose this game...

also i could see a situation where a team might use the last two games to see what their rookie 3rd string qb can do against a team playing for a bye.  not purposely lose but not make winning the primary consideration.

The idea is inconsequential. Picking 11th is just as much a crap shoot as picking 16th.

Technically still in it, and even not being in it, I could never root for a team that purposefully tanked.

LOL, we have this discussion every year here.  The only thing that changes is which week in the season we have it. 

I know. It came up on Crowder's show yesterday and is what mad me think of it.

I can think of two times that I wanted us to lose. One was the year we got rid of Wanny which is what I was rooting for. If I remember correctly I think that was the same year us TDMMC guys wore bags on our heads at a game? The second was the "suck for Luck" year. Other than that I have always felt you end up wherever you end up.

This...

I will almost always cheer for my team to win, regardless of the situation, - BUT - if it is the last week of the season, and there is a clear-cut "generational-type talent" #1 draft pick to be had...and all we have to do is lose to get that guy?  Well...it's a big-picture thing at that point. ;)

In the last 5 years its been a 50/50 crap-shoot and that's giving James the benefit of the doubt since he is a starter. In reality only Minkah and Tunsil are playing like first rounders. Sadly our highest pick is our biggest bust.


2013   #3   Dion Jordan   Defensive end   Oregon   
2014   #19   Ja'Wuan James   Offensive tackle   Tennessee   
2015   #14   DeVante Parker   Wide receiver   University of Louisville   
2016     #13 Laremy Tunsil   Tackle   Mississippi   [t]
2017   #22   Charles Harris   Defensive end   Missouri   
2018    #11   Minkah Fitzpatrick   Safety   Alabama   

BUT your 1st round pick SHOULDN'T be a crapshoot, unless it's for a QB.  The problem for the dolphins has been the person making the pick.  I was puzzled when they drafted Jordan in 2013, because DE wasn't one of their highest priorities that year (plus Jordan was coming off an injury, and couldn't report to camp on time due to school); same can be said for Parker in 2015, WR wasn't a high priority that year.  I think those two were dumb picks.  Harris was a good position player to draft, but he hasn't panned out.

I wouldn't root for the Dolphins to lose, but I'd be alright with them playing some 2nd stringers to get some experience.  Moving up the draft order could be huge if they decide to draft a QB, as they would move ahead of Denver.  Above that possible teams taking a QB are Oakland #2, Jacksonville #5, and NYG #9.  If they win and drop to a later pick that would put them after Washington that needs a QB.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

I wished that they had tanked when they could have for Andrew Luck. Outside of a competent offensive line, you cannot have a successful NFL team without a upper level quarterback.

We were 0-7 that year, I’ll never forgive Matt Moore or anybody involved in that team for finishing 6-3

Indeed, what did it matter that we went 6-3 in the last nine games. We didn't make the playoffs and those wins have no bearing on this year or future years. Having Andrew Luck however might have.

last week this thread was slightly premature.  Looks like fins will be picking between 11 and 17 with a loss worth about 3 spots.

Even for the best teams in the league, first-round picks are still a crapshoot.  Look how many of NE's first-rounders have flamed out.

Yeah, but drafting in the late 20s or low 30s means there are less sure fire guys than in the low teens.

Even in the top 10, the rate of players who eventually make a Pro Bowl seems to be about half.  Miami's been in the top 10 five times since Shula; they've gotten two players who've made the Pro Bowl (Brown, Long) and three who haven't (Ginn, Tannehill, Jordan).

off to a good start

The nice thing about being a horrible team is that you don't even have to intentionally tank. 

In Miami's defense, Ted Ginn wasn't even worth a first rounder, let alone Top 10.

Ted Ginn is one of a handful of players from that draft that are still in the league.

He wasn't/isn't a terrible player, and he's not necessarily even a bust as a first-rounder.  It's the pressure of being drafted in the top 10 on a bad team when the fans were expecting a QB pick.  Even Julio Jones would have failed in that scenario.

No, he isn’t a terrible player.  But he had no business being drafted in the first round.  He probably was on most teams third round board.

Hard for me to judge how Ginn panned out without seeing his family's stats too.

Looking at the other late first-round WRs taken that year - Dwayne Bowe (#23 to KC), Robert Meachem (#27 to NO), Craig Davis (#30 to SD), and Anthony Gonzalez (#32 to IND) - I think The Ginn Family would have been fine in any of those slots.  He's a good #2 or #3 receiver that has managed to stay healthy and (especially early in his career) gives you a weapon in the return game.

I put him on the same spectrum as someone like Devin Hester or Dante Hall: he's not as good of a returner, but he's also a much better receiver.

After hearing losing today"aside from ensuring a house cleaning in the front office from top to bottom" with the right teams also losing could have moved us from 15th to tenth "didn't happen" in the draft I was ok with losing today. I was not happy we almost had a third game where a team scored 21 points in the first quarter"again FIRE gase"

Most years it is not until after Thanksgiving.  This year it began before the combine.