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.....of the 2019 NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select.......

We "won" the tiebreaker against the other 7-9 teams based on Strength of Schedule.

Giants, Jaguars and Broncos pick before us and this is not a QB class so we probably won't be drafting a QB now.

Just taking a quick glance off the top of my head at our needs, here are some depressing opinions of mine.  And they are just opinions, but I don't think I'm too far off base.  What areas of the team are the Dolphins in good shape at?

QB:  Nope
RB:  Pretty good situation here, but depends on the OL of course.
OL:  Nope
WR:  Nope
TE:  Nope
DL:  Nope
LB:  Nope
DB:  A couple of really good players, but that certainly isn't enough to be considered in good shape in the secondary
Special Teams:  Very solid but if your Special Teams unit is the strength of your team, then guess what.  You suck.

In summation, this team is going to continue to be bad for a long time.   

They accidentally let the clock run out before they make their selection and lost their first round pick.  Or they select a Long Snapper with their first pick.  Denney is getting pretty old. 

Miami has  Clevelands 7th but not thier own 7th.

Wilson was doing great at WR before the injury. I think we are solid at WR when healthy.

Start with a high level offensive or defensive lineman.  This team has holes everywhere but if we don't fix the lines nothing else is going to matter.

There are a number of quality DT and DE prospects in that range, and a couple of CBs. A little high to pick a guard, the only one in range is Cody Ford from Oklahoma.  He'll convert from OT to G in the NFL, but he's a reach. Or if they want a QB, Daniel Jones will probably be available, but I hope they wait on that.

Wilson was definitely a very pleasant surprise.  I was wrong about him as I pegged him as a complete non impact player when they first got him.  But after him, there isn't much at WR.  Stills is okay.  Amendola will be another year older and is not a difference maker.  After that, they  have pretty much nothing at WR. 

Miami will trade up to the 5th spot and take a QB!!!!!

Its easy since we’ve decided to rebuild. Take the best player available on the board of your needs. That pretty much means best player available

MIA definitely shouldn't be picking a DB in the first round and probably shouldn't be picking a WR, RB, or LT.

Outside of that, best player available.

The only one I disagree with is WR. If we can get a Julio Jones or Mike Evans we definitely have a spot currently held by a draft bust.

You say that, and I agree, but mock drafts seem to think we need another cb.  Mock able, I know

Our secondary is solid, hard to guard a WR for over 10 seconds due to no pressure on the QB. D-Line should be first pick and we can't whiff on it.

It'll depend on who the new coach is.

If they move to a 3-4 you almost have to pick defensive line

If they stay with the hybrid 4-3 you can draft almost anything

best available offensive lineman.

^There's more depth there in the second or third rounds.

 The Dolphins are in full rebuilding mode. They aren’t going to try and fix our weak spots per se. This is unlike anything we’ve experienced before.  From all accounts I’m seeing they will draft best player available ... period. Look for them to dump or trade solid players if they think it will help us long term and they are no longer going after old free agents as they aren’t looking for a quick fix.

If you saw Ross’s press conference they basically said they need a coach who is ok with losing in the beginning. He went on to say Gase wants to win now ... which makes me wonder if it was a mutual parting of the ways.

I thought Gase was brought in to rebuild, haha?

Hard to show good performance when practically everyone in the defensive backfield is a backup rookie or playing out of position -- both due to injury. Could we use some more depth? Definitely, but unless  there's a very, very special player when we pick, I don't see DB as a priority at all.

DB is also a very young group, CB in particular. Walt Aikens is the oldest at 27. Xavien Howard is 25, so is Bobby McCain. Then there is McTyer at 23 and two rookies in Armstrong and Davis. At safety there's Jones with his 30 years, but he's an elite player and not going to be replaced anytime soon. The rest are pretty young. Minkah Fitzpatrick, for example, was very highly rated by the team and you'd hope he develops after what was essentially his rookie year.

Not sure what you mean. Miami has never been in a rebuilding mode that I can remember. They always felt they could just add to why they have.

I'm just really happy Miami won those meaningless games and wound up with the 13th slot in the draft, no coach and a front office in disarray.  This is great (said no one ever). 

lol ... was just listening to Armando on the radio and it sounded like he thinks we are planning on restocking picks, clean up the salary cap and tank next season for a certain QB. I’m not sure anyone trusts Miami to do all of that

Honestly, I don't think we are bad enough to finish 3-13. We are clearly not contenders, but our Lines and Linebackers are jokes and we still went 7-9. What players can we start at Guards and Center to get worse than 7-9? What tight ends can do worse? Now we will have Albert Wilson back for the whole year and our WR corps look pretty solid. At worst, I don't see us with fewer than 5 wins unless we cut Tanny and start Brock full time.

Guys, as much as you all want us to tank, we aren't going to do that.  No professional is going to tank on purpose.

We aren’t going to add to what we have. That’s what we’ve always done so they are doing something different. they are going to dump players for draft picks and salary cap. Sounds like some players that fans are counting on will be gone. The Raiders are rebuilding so you can use that as a point of reference.

I've always looked at a whole new coaching staff and/or front office as rebuilding. And we've done that every 4-3 years since Shula left. You may have a few hold over players but you're bringing in new coaches, coordinators, players, new playbooks, and everything is constantly changing every few years.

But we’ve never gutted our roster and then built it back up and that’s what a rebuild is. When the owner is warning of a possible 3-13 season you know winning next season isn’t a priority

My one and only hope this offseason is that Miami "finally" takes the O-line seriously and invests some serious draft capital and/or FA dollars in improving the talent in the trench.


Innocuous, but telling...  ;)

You can't entirely gut your roster due to contract and cap restraints. Not to mention, if you have a key player at a key spot you more than likely need to keep him. For instance, we need to keep Howard, Jones, and Fitzpatrick in the secondary simply because they are very good players and it would be virtually impossible to replace them.

If you ask me, we've been building our roster perpetually for the past 10 years. Philbin sent plenty of good players away, just like Gase did. When you send good players away, you are gutting your roster because all you have left is shit.

^^^

I didn’t say how they’d do it but the talk is ether Jones or Howard won’t be here much longer.  Jones the more likely

That's because we're so fucked up we send away the good players and then replace them with overpaid 12th year veterans retreads with a recent history of multiple injuries.

And to be honest. If we actually addressed the holes in the roster and problem areas, we wouldn't even be talking about any of this rebuilding shit. How long has the OL been fucked up? How long has the DL been leaking like a sieve before the dam finally broke this year? How long has the LB position been festering like a herpes infested honeypot?

I don’t disagree with you. My biggest peeve with the whole thing is keeping someone who was partly to blame and making them head honcho. Of course if he had other ideas and they didn’t listen then shame on them. I am encouraged that we are willing to sacrifice everything to get better. I’ve always been kind of jealous of watching other teams do that while we are always trying to plug the dike.

Oakland has 5 first round picks in the next two years. I’d give up any player we have for that situation.

I realize this is borderline heresy at this point, but what would the Dolphins look like with a really good defensive tackle (doesn't have to be Suh level, but someone who is routinely double-teamed) and a really good guard? (let's assume you re-sign Ju'Wuan James or someone similar). That's an addition of just two players, but the effect would be massive. Our pass rush would improve, run stopping would improve, run game would improve, passing game would improve... Maybe add an o-line coach who doesn't try to block a sack-leading DE with a rookie tight end, just because the DE lines up offset.

This is exactly the thinking that has kept us between 6-10 and 10-6 for over 10 years ... according to Ross (which I agree). He brought up doing the same thing and definition of insanity as the reason he is trying somehting new by fixing things for the long term.

But Gase specifically declined to do something about the offensive line in 2016, focusing solely on the D, something Ross challenged Gase about to the point that a "high-ranking club official had to intervene". Source: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article223850050.html

If you look at the Dolphins' roster, what's really missing are those young players that are supposed to surround the (on paper more) talented players. These players are young, relatively cheap, and sometimes turn into really good players. Instead, what we have done is bring in a bunch of old guys that coach knows for just a tad too much money that have absolutely zero upside (but plenty of downside, particularly the increased injury exposure).

And this is, in my experience, what happens almost every single time a new coach takes over and why it's critical to give your staff more then 2-3 years.

So, yeah, just flushing the whole team down the drain and doing a complete rebuild might be better, because then at least the expectation would be that we would suck initially and the GM / coach would get more time to make things work.

I'm not at all convinced that it's a better or more proven path to success. Not at all. But if the alternative is to throw out the coaching staff every 2-3 years, then it's certainly preferable. What it wouldn't be preferable to, IMHO, is giving your coaching staff more time in the first place. That's the solution I would have at least liked to TRY before going the total rebuild route.

Especially with a rookie head coach where you have to figure that he's going to make mistakes initially. That it's going to take him a few years to find his feet and the team that he needs around him to properly develop the roster. But, no, we'll just keep flushing the coaching staff every 2-3 years like clockwork.

I think we're good at WR and TE. Gase just didnt use Gesicki at all I think our main problems are at d-line and o-line. Plus obviously need a starting QB for week 1. Im curious what Miami will do in their secondary. As good as Reshad Jones is, I think Miami should trade him and get a draft pick or two. That would also free up ALOT of cap space, esp. since u got Minkah. With that money id sign X. Howard. DBs are okay too. When it comes o LBs, we basically had 2 rookies this year, I think they will be much improved next year. Of course depth never hurt anyone.

OK, so I've decided that Miami should tank the next two years...just to get QB Trevor Lawrence.

OK, totally joking, but man...that kid sure has looked impressive as hell for a Freshman.

They should make Gesicki our #1 WR to take the place of Parker (faster than AB, jumps higher than Calvin Johnson, stronger than some linemen)...if he sucks at blocking, might as well get the most out of him.

Seconded and can we Get Dabo Swinney as well to be head coach?

Yessir, that'd be just fine with me as well...

Dolphins trade the 13th pick to the Ravens for John Harbaugh and the Ravens 3rd round pick in 2020.

^is this you speculating or did this happen?

I'm pasting this every time I hear of tanking....

[Wolfe] Thoughts on drafting QBs: You can't wait on the unknown. I think Tua and Trevor Lawrence will be good/great NFL QBs, but there's so much fluidity and circumstance that can affect players. Football isn't the NBA, can't tank for one player two or three drafts away. Draft for '19.

https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1082489697492967430 (https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1082489697492967430)

Speculating

...Exactly. Thats also wat I think too. They have some really good pieces at secondary, Miami needs D-line to get after the QB and help stop the run. They just have to decide if they wanna trade Reshad Jones or R. Quinn, bcuz if they keep both of them ($30 mil. against cap) then I dunno if they can resign X. Howard, depending what hes asking. I love R. Jones, but if they can trade him and get a good draft pick, I think u gotta go for it. That will free up money for Howard, and Minkah will move back to Safety. Same can be said about Quinn. Use his money for Howard and add young talent thru the draft on d-line.