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Now that Gase is out, who would you like as the new head coach?

Jim Caldwell
Mike McCarthy
Jim Harbaugh
Up and coming coordinator
Other?

I'm hooking my wagon to the Jim Harbaugh train.  Choo choo!

Absolutely none of those. 

A new coach better realize you have to play three other cold weather teams in your own division and your last game will often be on the road because of the Orange Bowl.

A new coach better understand that no matter who's playing quarterback he's going to turn into another David Carr if you can't put an offensive line in front of him.

A new coach better realize that you have to get in front of teams in conference play if you can't win the division and still expect to make the playoffs.

A new coach better put a team on a field that has some level of pride and heart so that it doesn't lose to half ass teams the last two games of the year every year.

A new coach better not put together a defense that gives up 30 points a game every game. 

I'd take Harbaugh in a heartbeat but Ross will never ask him to leave his precious alma mater, despite never beating the Buckeyes.

No more up and coming coordinators, that has been our last 5 coaches I think. Give me a retread who wore out his welcome over a lengthy tenure. We need professional coaching now, no learning on the job.

One possible caveat... stay away from Mike McCarthy.   You essentially had McCarthy with Philbin I'm not sure the result would be any better.

I see a lot of no's with no solutions lol.

BigDaddyFin gets it.

Your team has to take on the persona of your coach and his direction for the best team possible.  It's not easy, and there a only a couple of really options out there.

I would take a Harbaugh in a heartbeat......albeit John, not Jim.  I would try my damnest to make a trade with BAL for John.  His team is hard-nosed, physical and plays with passion.  I want that guy.

And this might another option, though not a popular one.  Rex Ryan.  Yes, he can be loudmouth, a bastard, etc.  but his players love him and they play hard for him.  There's a fine line to walk when you're this type of coach.  When you're wining, all if forgotten, but when you lose, and it can blow up in your face.

The Dolphins need a new identity/cultural, cause the one that's been parked in South Beach for the better part of 2 decades isn't working.

I doubt either of the Harbaugh's are going anywhere.  I would second a vote for Rex Ryan (as long as he doesn't hire his brother), but he would need to get an offensive guru to call plays and lead the offense.

Bruce Arians.

I would agree with this as well, but he's got his eye on TB (from reports I've seen) and I'm guessing he might be able to help Winston move along with his game.

Yahoo's Terez A. Paylor reports the Bucs, Dolphins and Jets have all requested head-coaching interviews with Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy
NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Cardinals have also requested an interview. The Jets' interest was previously reported by Ian Rapoport. Teams interviewing Bieniemy will be looking to cash in on the Andy Reid coaching tree that has become even more of a goldmine in recent years.
Source: Terez A. Paylor on Twitter
Dec 31 - 2:41 PM

I don't want us to hire another "up and coming coordinator" as HC, but the Reid tree has seemed pretty fruitful and I guess we can do worse if this is the route we insist on. Better than everyone's best friend, Rex Ryan.

I’m leaning towards him too. I think the biggest issue Miami will have is there are so many better options out there. They probably aren’t even in the top 5. Cleveland, Green Bay, Jets, Arizona and Cincinnati are probably better to most people.

Arizona and Cincy are a disaster due to ownership, so we probably have them beat when you factor in Miami is a nicer place to live than Cincinnati.

Green Bay is a nice spot with Rodgers and the Jets have all that cap room, but it's a brutal media market too. I live here, every week the sky is falling or you won the Superbowl. Not every coach wants to even experience that nonsense.

CLE and GB are definitely prime landing spots.  I wouldn't say NYJ is any better than MIA (basically, personal preference).  ARI and CIN are pretty clearly worse IMO.

USA Today wrote today that it’s Packers, Browns, Jets, Broncos, Bucs and then Dolphins. Wow ... hard to believe I forgot the Bucs as I agree. They are in much better shape.

Washington Post has virtually same list but Arizona at 6 and Dolphins at 7.

Either way doesn’t appear we offer much in the way of luring the top candidates.  

What makes you think the Bucs are in better shape? They're a dumpster fire from top to bottom.  Bruce Arryans will end up there I think.

I don't want Rex Ryan anywhere near this football team. 

Me neither.

They put up a lot of points and have a lot of good offensive players. Fix that defense and control Winston and they could turn around very quickly

Jason La Canfora was on the Joe Rose show and some of the points made were

- team roster is bad they are starting over and not looking to win now
- Ross was given numerous reasons why things failed. Everyone blamed each other.
- contrary to fan belief ... Miami is not an attractive job and no established coach will want to take it. It will have to be a coach willing to work it Chris Gier’s way
- Miami might end up promoting Darren Rizzi to head coach as a result
- according to Jason ... Gase didn’t ever use his 53 man roster say
- Gase never lost the locker room
- Gase didn’t think the situation in Miami was worth fighting for and thought his chances are better elsewhere
- Ultimately is was all the decision maker’s fault it went bad

Florio has you at 7 as welll.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/02/ranking-the-2018-coaching-vacancies/

This seems very reasonable to me as well. They have some good talent on that team and if the next HC could reign in Winston and some of dumb plays and tendencies, this team could be a 10-11 win team IMO

If Miami didn't have the injuries it had this season, it could've also be 10-11 win team this past year.  Y'all think Miami's defense is bad, the Bucs defense is worse.  Acting like all they have to do is fix their defense isn't some small task.  Also, no one is convinced Winston is the guy, in fact most of Tampa Bay want him out.

It mostly comes down to whether there is a QB in place, why else would the Jets or Browns be listed ahead of Miami?

not sure what you’re saying. Are you saying Miami needs to find a qb and then a coach?

Btw ... Cleveland has a pretty good young team on both sides of the ball. The Jets have 100 million and a promising QB .... none of which Miami has.

Dave Hyde put Miami at 8 out of the 8 teams.

8. Dolphins: You’re in a full rebuild. “Full,” in this case, means you not only don’t have a quarterback, but don’t have an obvious path to get one. And you have a rookie in Chris Grier heading the show, which is good or bad. Maybe both. The Dolphins have been been mediocre for a decade; they’re the only team to bounce between 6 and 10 wins in the past 11 seasons. Next year they won’t hit six wins. They might not even have their quarterback of the future, considering 2020 is the quarterback draft. Look at the Bills and Jets — you’re probably two years behind their rebuilds. How much suffering can you take in the hopes of being good?

With Gase being moved a year early I am hoping it's because Ross has either Jim or John Harbaugh lined up, although unfortunately I realise that's very unlikely.

Love him or loath him, one thing Rex Ryan does have going for him is that he does seem to get teams to rally behind him, even ones lacking in roster talent. It's one of those moves that may work, or may backfire badly... with our recent history of poor discipline, team instability and looking at a complete rebuild, dunno if it's the right choice.

One guy surprisingly not mentioned anywhere is Wade Phillips, but maybe there's no chance anyway. I know he's getting old, but he did great work at Dallas, Denver and the Rams in both head coach and defensive coaching roles. I thought he could be a great mentor for at least the next couple of years, which will be the guts of this tough rebuild.

I'd love to have Arians as well.   But Harbaugh would be my first choice also.

I don’t see either Harbaugh as an option.  Besides not being involved in the coaching search ... Ross wants Jim at Michigan and we’d have to give up picks to Baltimore for John. That goes directly against what we are trying to do.

Both have significantly more cap space.  Both are younger, with players that are improving rather than guys that are post their prime.  Dolphins are in rebuilding mode without the most important tool needed to rebuild- cap space.

Maybe we should commit fully to a rebuild instead of being perennially mediocre. All 8-8 does is keep you at 8-8. I would much rather be 0-16 next year knowing that we can start fresh in 2020 than go 7-9 again with the same shit cap situation.

I think we should rehire Cam Cameron...that guy was awesome.


 ;D

I'm saying a HC wants to go to a team that either has a proven QB (Aaron Rodgers), or a team with a young QB that has potential.  So...if Miami wants a coach of their choosing they have to tell the prospective HC that either A) We are going all out this year to move up in the draft to get the best QB available, or B) It's okay if you have a terrible season in 2019 (ala John Gruden & the Raiders), because we are going all in on a QB in 2020.

IMO I don't see the Green Bay job as that attractive, unless the new HC is friends with Rodgers.  The Packers sucked this year because Rodgers didn't get along with the HC.  As for Cleveland, they still stunk this year, look who their wins were against.  It only seems great because it was such an improvement over the preceding 1-31 record.  IT's great the JETS have money, but if not spent wisely it can backfire.

Maybe the Dolphins could use Malcom to lure in John Harbaugh.  ::)

Considering that 80% of teams are within 25.2 +- 0.5 years, I'd argue that using average age is fairly irrelevant.

OK here you go, Rizzi as HC, Todd Bowles as DC, and Dan Campbell as OC. LMAO.....

Edit - At first I posted this as sarcasm. But the more I think about it, the more I like it

You will be happy then because this is exactly what Ross said we are doing. He also said Gase is gone because he wants to win now ... so it sounds like he didn't buy into the rebuild thing.

Age is not irrelevant and I am not specifically concerned with a single number, but the make up of the team.  Do you have 2 or 3 rookies, that if you look back on the season you go well, we lost  few games early in the season because our rookies made some mistakes but we won a few in the later half because our rookies really improved.  Or did the team decline over the season due to wear and tear on vets that are on the decline rather than improving?

But I do consider the cap space issue to be a bigger issue on why Fins would be a less desirable landing spot than other teams.  

I agree with you Hoodie ... I've listened to a ton of so called experts this week and they all say age when factoring in teams. QB, status of the skill positions like QB, DE and WR and then salary caps and owner rep.

AVERAGE AGE is almost constant across the whole league, so it is pretty much irrelevant. That's what I said and you seem to be agreeing with me with your "not specifically concerned with a single number" thing, despite your message being structured as if you disagreed.

By age of the team I meant, do you have a plethora of up and coming inexpensive rookies or vets that are in decline.  You have the latter, it is relevant.  You also have no cap space. 

That might be what you meant, but that's not the numbers the referenced experts are talking about. They are directly referencing the average roster age where the Dolphins ranked in the bottom 25%. But the numbers are so tight that if you replace our long snapper with a rookie, we'd be in the top half instead of the bottom quarter.

There are much more meaningful parameters to look at, but they are not as easy to present on TV or radio as a single number, so average age it is.

Looking at it strictly your way, the Dolphins are REALLY YOUNG. They have 14 of 15 players they drafted in the past two years still under contract! That may or may not be a league best, but it's certainly going to be very close if it isn't.

LOL

We are requesting to interview Dennis Allen as a possible Head Coach. He is the Saints defensive coordinator and really turned around that team's defense as it was historically bad before he got there.

He was also the HC of the Raiders and sucked but he had Terrelle Pryor and whoever Matt McGloin is as his QBs, so that should get a pass. With the Saints set to make a deep run, if we want him we will probably have to wait awhile before it can become official. Plus, going from a winner in Nawlins to us makes one have second thoughts at the last minute.

I think looking for a new coach is more about luck than skill. Frank Reich was only hired after Josh McDaniels screwed the Colts over and now they look like a genius ... although literally Luck had a lot to do with it. hahaha

Interesting and sad that Dan Campbell wasn't interested in coming back to Miami according to Armando Salguero

And this: Campbell, highly respected and already scheduled for three head coach interviews, was not interested in Miami, according to a league source

I don't blame him.  I wouldn't want to be the Conductor on this train wreck either.

You don't know if he had bad blood leaving the organization, plus it's a tough place for his first head coaching gig. No franchise QB or massive cap space.

Some tweets on the Dolphins coaching search ....

Armando ... The Dolphins did early research on Bears coach Vic Fangio and requested permission to talk to him but never scheduled an interview. He won’t be interviewed.


Armando ... The Dolphins will not be doing any head coach interviews today.

Barry Jackson ... Though the sides originally hoped to schedule Darren Rizzi's Dolphins interview today, it will instead be later this week, per a source. Dolphins have interviewed 4 so far - Bryan Flores, Eric Bieniemy, Dennis Allen, Kris Richard.

How short are these freaking interviews? Seems like I've had longer interviews for my jobs.



Armando tweeted:

3 teams interviewed Kris Richard today.

5:50 PM Bucs tweet interview over.
8:03 PM Jets tweet interview over.
8:31 PM Miami tweets interview over.

Not saying Dolphins took 28 minutes. Doubt that is the case. But timing of these don’t suggest 4-5 hour interviews.

Look for the Dolphins to sign Hue Jackson by the end of the week!! #TankforTua
🤣😂🤣

Two possibilities: 

1. How long does it take to interview someone you don’t intend to hire, but are just checking the Rooney rule box?

2,  Kris:  “Thanks for considering me, but I agreeed to take the Bucs job, I didn’t want to be rude and no show on you.  The announcement will be coming on Tuesday”

I don't think he was only a Rooney interview. Hes quickly becoming one of the most sought after guys out there. 

I think Miami should go after someone with prior HC exp. and Id def go DEF minded coach. Chiefs OC is way overrated still for e. Its too soon. Dough Peterson had been with Andy Reid for years!! even played for him. And Naggy was there longer also. So Bienemy would be a reach in my opinion. I wouldnt mind Rizzi I guess but then we'd still need OC and DC. So far Dennis Allen is my top choice. Cuz Vic Fangio didnt interview right??
But my biggest question is whats up with Chuck Pagano, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Smith, maybe Greg Williams? Are they not interested in Miami or Miami didnt even ask for them?, anyone knows?!?
I'd also go after Jim Shwartz, Jack del Rio, Gus Bradley, but def not the Patriots guy or the other I think from Cowboys. Patriots guy is not even a DC, hes jus calling plays. Everyone knows its Bellich callin the shots. But like I mentioned, there are alot of coaches no one is talking about. I'd reach out to Mike Shannahan maybe, Rex Ryan....both guys made their teams much better when they were coaches. If Rizzi gets the HC job, then Todd Bowels makes perfect sense for DC if interested.

According to Armando and a few others ... the powers that be who convinced Ross to reboot also thought Gase would be involved. It was Adam's reluctance to do just that which got him fired. Consequently ... the next coaching hire will be a young first timer who probably doesn't see three years unless he somehow shows out. At that point the team hopes to be in position to attract a proven coach. 

...damn im starting to get lil worried. Couple spots already filled. I cant believe Bruce Arians is back but good for him. Now Todd Bowels will rejoin Arians at Tampa. Im suprised Packers passed on Josh McDaniels and Adam Gase (our so called QB guru), now its starting to look like Gase might be a Jets HC and that would suck. I dunno why Miami withdrew from interviewing Vic Fangio, and like I mentioned before, whats going on with all these former HC like, Jack del Rio, Chuck Pagano, Mike Smith, Lovie Smith, they're not interviewing anywhere so are they declining offers or what?
Miami must have a person in mind since they're staying quiet...I HOPE. Dennis  Allen is the only one Miami interviewed and no one else. So now im confused. They'll either go after Chiefs OC, who's prolly overrated, or they'll give the job to Rizzi, but then we'll still need OC and DC asap!
...kinda sux cuz its starting to look like who ever becomes the HC, they wont lat long and Miami may be looking for one again soon after. They still have alot of good young players but by the time they find the staff they like, most will be gone and then its really gonna be a rebuild! I dont think Jets, Cardinals, Browns are much better than Miami if at all. Only diff is the QB, which can be fixed in the first week of Free Agency, and still add a rookie later on or one of current youngsters.

...wow, more coaching positions filled. Broncos hired Vic Fangio and the Browns promote Fredie Kitchens!
Thats kinda crazy....chances are very high Gase may end up with the Jets since all the teams pretty much passed him up.
Miami shoud make a decision quick. Mike Munchak was considered for Broncos job, if im Miami im going after him. We need help on O-line as much as D-line if not more. Munchak having O-line background would benefit Miami well. And he's been a coach few years ago.
...so now its either Eric Bienemy, DEF cord. Richards from the Cowboys, or Patriots defensive play caller Flores.

Looks like they dont like the coaches that were on the market or that they interviewed, otherwise they'd offer them a job same day maybe. But now with Munchak in the mix...who knows. Its a low risk hire and knowing he'll make sure the O-line is as good as it can be would DEF help Miami. Just think back this season, how many times they could have used some help on o-line. Creating running lanes and protecting the QB.

...Anyway, its starting to look like the Dolphins have a plan and coach in mind, I HOPE. They are just not telling anyone. Its very possible one of those coaches they want is still in the playoffs. So to prevent distraction and let them finish up the season makes perfect sense. ...threfore, who might they be going after then? I havent heard anything about Jim Shwartz, Gus Bradley, Chuck Pagano, Jack del Rio etc...And just in case they dont get their #1 option, I think they'll just promote Darren Rizzi, and help him bring in Def. cord. and Off. cord. that he likes and fits the team. Most important thing is; You wanna hire a coach that wants to be in Miami, long term if necessary. Not just hire one that no one else wanted and bribe him to come to Miami. (Rizzi wants to be there! and prolly knows the team better than any other coach they bring in)

...im not positive, but so far, the coaches they interviewed were mostly if not all defensive minded coaches right??

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/1083055095061852161 (https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/1083055095061852161)

A lot of people think Richard will be our next coach.  It'll be him, the guy from KC, the guy from NO, the guy from NE or Rizzi. One of these will be a Dolphin.  Outside chance of a Harbaugh, but I doubt it.

I would be happy with any of these, but if I had to order them:

1.  Richard
1a.  A Harbaugh (not likely)
2.  Rizzi
3.  Bieniemy
4.  Allen
5.  Flores (don't really want him)

Bucs hired Bruce Arians as head coach and Todd Bowles as D-Coordinator.  Bowles will be bringing Kacy Rogers with him to coach the D-Line.  Sound familiar Dolphins fans?

Arians will turn the Bucs around and retire in 4 or 5 years, then he'll hand it over to Bowles like Cowher did with Tomlin.

that didn't work so well for us .. good luck

Im still surprised no one is talking about Jack del Rio, Chuck Pagano, Jim Shwartz, Gus Bradley. I think Miami wants to go defensive minded Head Coach which makes perfect sense. Last 3 coaches hired were all rookie head coaches. All offensive minded and Tony Sparano has been the best one in my opinion. Things were all good when Bill Parcells ran the show but o well. I wonder if the guys I mentioned are looking for jobs or what? Todd Bowls stayed quiet for a good reason, cuz Bruce Arians was gonna take the HC job and needed a DEF cord. Miami doesnt have much to choose from but I'd def prefer a HC that has been a HC at some point. Only rookie coach, id go with is Richard i guess.
But if they can bring in Mike Munchak, Steelers o-line coach, that might be a good fit. Miami needs help on o-line, and d-line esp. and of course a QB. But still...id prefer good defensive minded coach, but if we had to go offensive, then Munchak or Chiefs re only ones left. But I think Bienemy is overrated, i wouldnt hire him....

Miami has alot of talent on defense and offense, they just need the right coach. Add few pieces here and there and you def gotta good team! (Best WRs, RBs, TE's combined in the entire AFC East)

Breaking: Adam Gase becoming the Jets head coach. This won't end well.

Dolphins should hire Todd Bowles.

Todd Bowles is now the Bucs defensive coordinator.

How about Mike Shula?

Dolphins to interview current Dolphins Offensive Coordinator Dowell Loggains for head coaching job.

Seems to me that the Dolphins are looking at the Jets hiring of Gase and then saying "Hold My Beer" . So sad. Waiting for the announcement that they've also added Matt Burke to the list.

He had two interviews but we hired Cam Cameron. He was ranked the top offensive coordinator in 2015 by PFF. We could do worse than him for sure. The name alone appeases half the fan base at a time when most are already upset.

Would be a tough gig.  The non-stop comparisons, expectations etc. But I agree Dolphins could do worse.  We know he has an excellent resource to call if he has questions.  Most HC don’t have that cause often most of their mentors are employed by a competitor.

realistically does it even matter who we hire as a coach .. if they don't win the superbowl within 15 seconds we'll see people calling for them to get fired and for us to "clean house"  ..and tank for picks.  then we'll be in this position in 4 years.

When will people realize that the most long term success happens when you have long term consistency at the coaching positions.

I know what you're saying but I think this time is different. We typically try to rebuild and win at the same time. This causes us to reach for free agents, make bad decisions, and overspend. We are not going to reach for anything in order to win this time. Could be the same results but at least we are taking a different approach.

With the average player career less than 4 years, if you haven't made the team a playoff contender within four years then you have failed.  Gase would still be here if he was willing to give up some of the control he had, so I don't blame Ross for the coaching change.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1083844001780940802 (https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1083844001780940802)

I hope this isn't true....

As much as I've seen his name, I'm supposed Hoodie hasn't had an opinion on him

so .. for sure we'll be looking for a new coach in a few years .. uuuuuuugh

I think his resume is a little thin to be a HC.  He has only worked for one team/HC his entire career.  Granted he learned from the best, but he doesn’t have the range of experiences to know what the different approaches are.  Likewise he doesn’t have a huge network to draw on, having contacts on only one team.  He has only two years as a coordinator (and not even full fledge coordinator)

Miami snagging him as a coordinator (which technically would be a promotion) would be a coup for the Dolphins.  As HC i think he will be over his head.

I can’t think of any successful coach that is only in one coaches tree, the successful ones saw how multiple coaches opperated than took the parts they thought were best from each. 

Name a single BB assistant that has been successful as a HC.

He isn't even a coordinator.   Wow.   

WTF is this shit? More stupid decisions from Ross and his merry band of idiots. Every year I wonder why I'm still a Miami fan. Maybe we should rename this place to "The Browns Make Me Happy".

It's not confirmed so don't get your thong twisted yet.

The Bengals freed up Hue Jackson yesterday.  Maybe that is what the Dolphins have been waiting for.   ;D

Would make for an interesting triangle in the AFC.

Pats HC former Jets coach
Fins HC former Pats coach
Jets HC former Fins coach.

Bills are left out.

I know, but it sound like some stupid shit they would do...

^if it's true I'll be right there with you

Yeah, like let's hire an offensive coordinator called Philbin as head coach who never called the plays, that will work out fine...  ::)

Article I read today said that they will probably hire him. It concluded saying something like, "A team hiring a first time HC with no accomplishments by a owner and front office that has failed at all of their previous attempts. What could go wrong?". About sums it up, hahaha.

FYI although Flores didn’t have the title of DC he was the play caller.

So.........We're hiring playcallers to be our head coach. I remember days when we hired head coaches the likes of Shula, Johnson, and Saban to be our head coach. It's been all downhill ever since, now all we hire is assistant helpers.

Asst GM Marvin Allen

Looks like Flores is hiring Jim Caldwell to be the offensive coordinator.  Interesting.

Scott Zolak was raving about him to Joe Rose last week. Said he is highly respected by both players and management of the Patriots.

Except for the fact Miami is in the state it's in because (partly) of decisions made by Johnson and Saban and still hasn't recovered...

But let's just pretend everything was great under both and we haven't been a laughing stock since the 70's.

The almighty Jimmy Johnson.  Every team in the AFC East won the AFC East during his time here except Miami.  And Dan Marino was under center.

Don't even get me started on Saban.  

Just because someone is a "name" doesn't make them worthy of a job.

Okay, I've changed my mind on Flores.  He came very prepared with a binder and a 9 month plan during his interview.  Looking like he's hiring good coordinators.  Like the fact he's coached on all side of the ball.  

Hate the fact that the better the Patriots do in the post season, the better he looks as a head coach for us.

i respect him and think he talented. i think he lacks experience.

i don’t think head coach needs to be experienced in everything and that’s why someone like a special teams coordinator can be successful.  He needs to be able to manage people and bring in quality coordinators. I see very capable construction workers fail as owners or supervisors because they don’t relate to people very well and I see some lazy people who turn out to be great owners and supervisors as that are more relatable and have more of a mangement mentality. They see the bigger picture and don’t over analyze themselves to death.

The specific lack of experience that I refer to is only serving under one head coach.  Not offense vs defense vs special teams or number of years.

You have to admit if you’re only going to serve under one coach that BB is a pretty good choice to do it under.

No, a name doesn't make them worthy of a job. However, being accomplished head coaches does. The fact that they both quit on the team has no bearing on that fact. I'd take an accomplished head coach over a assistant helper 10 times out of 10. At the end of the day, even though we have the 3rd or 4th richest owner in the league, he is the main one making these stupid decisions.

Jimmy Johnson was a name who regressed this franchise.  So was Saban.  For that matter, so was Parcells.

I understand what you're saying.  But in this league you also get a name sometimes for doing things in a time when things were done differently (Johnson, Gruden) and ride a reputation you no longer deserve. 

The "you need experience to work here" thing is hard.  How do you know until someone gives them a shot?

We gave them a shot. Cameron, Sparano, Philbin, and Gase, LMAO....

Without trying to sound like I'm flogging a dead horse, again I think where the LA Rams scenario has worked is that while they got in an inexperienced head coach they backed him up with a vastly experienced and successful assistant (Wade Phillips). That's taking nothing away from McVay, by all reports he is incredibly attentive and smart in regard to every position on the team, but I think it can't be just a coincidence Phillips just happens to be defensive coordinatior either.

If the rumors that Flores is hiring Jim Cladwell as DC are true it seems they are aiming at a similar path, as he could potentially serve as a good mentor when needed without being any kind of real threat to the HC.

All things considered this coaching staff could be a bridge to the next anyway. The goal is to bring in talent right now. If they bring in talent and still aren't producing they will bring in an experienced coach to lead them. I'd say to look at Cleveland but they didn't actually get an experienced coach ... but they didn't keep Hue to drain the talent.

+1

There have been outstanding OC's & DC's that were utter failures as HC's.  Being a head coach is about managing players, other coaches; and providing an overall direction and mentality for the team to follow.  It's only certain game situations where the HC should be called upon to make decisions.

Uh huh. Not what most people on here said about Gase in the last year. He was basically blamed for any Dolphins shortcomings regardless of what it was. Draft. Free Agency. Contracts. Roster decisions. Depth Chart. Offensive gameplan. Offensive production. Defensive gameplan. Defensive production. Play calling. Pre game comments. Post game comments. Pretty much anything and everything to do with the Dolphins that wasn't directly tied to the GM or Owner. If Gase possibly had an influence on it, he was responsible for it, end of story.

Oh great, the next graduate of the fabulous Bill Belichick coaching tree.

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I would have preferred Eric Bieniemy.  Andy Reid's coaches at least have some track record of competence; Belichick's disciples are consistently the worst.  The only skills he teaches them are how to be an asshole to the media, and how to treat the players like flushable baby wipes.

The more I hear from Dolphins people ... the more I'm convinced this coach is just a stop gap or bridge coach who has a couple of years to prove themselves. Coaches like Harbough and Bruce Arians are never going to commit to a rebuilding process so the Dolphins needed an a young up and comer. The only thing the Dolphins need to hit on right now is the front office, player moves, and draft picks. 

The only problem with this type of logic is that once they fire the head coach the new coach wants to come and replace everyone on the roster with "their guys" which renders completely moot all previous player moves and draft picks. You can't keep "starting over" every couple of years or that's all you are doing is starting over. You HAVE to find someone that you plan to stick with for years to come to get some stability. Until you find that guy you are wasting your time. I'm not saying that firing Gase was the wrong decision, I'm just saying that picking a young guy to hold down the fort till the next guy gets there is not gonna work either.

I disagree. No one was looking at Cleveland and thinking ... if I get the job I'm going to jettison everyone and reboot. Besides ... like when you look for offensives coordinators on an existing successful team ... you find someone who is already in the mold of what you have been doing. That's how we would look for a coach if we had some promising players. 

In addition to it sucking having to watch the Patriots in another SB, this is really hurting the Dolphins for 2019 with their supposed next HC unavailable to start putting together a staff, and doing the many things that are necessary in the off season.  I hope Ross planned this as a throw away year because the Dolphins are going to be way behind every other NFL team.

We still have a pretty good delegation at the Senior bowl. Drew Lock raved about meeting Marino in his interview with our GM and his staff. 

We are meeting with Flores today to discuss staffing and whatnot. He is the new coach, just can't make it official yet. I think everyone knows that 2019 is a wash, not just for the late start in preparing, but because we really need to get serious and rebuild.

On the plus side your next coach will have super bowl experience. 

We have had that many times over. It has been fruitless so far

In multiple threads there is a given that Flores is already our next HC, sorry but I'm not going along until I see him in a Miami Dolphins shirt in Miami.  I feel I have good reason to be skeptical until it is official: Saban said he was not leaving..then he's gone, Belichick was the Jets HC..then he wasn't, McDaniels was the new Colts HC...then he wasn't.  Let's just say the Patriots win the Super Bowl and Belichick retires immediately, what if Flores is offered the NE HC job, or a much improved position under McDaniels?  I could see him staying in NE.

Except that he has already started to choose his staff. Some have even been told they are staying, etc. You don't do that unless you have already made a verbal agreement. Now it's true that he could back out at the last minute, but it's not likely.