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I'm going with Nick Foles at this point. I think he's an upgrade over Tannehill that still has a number of good years left in him that may not break the bank. I don't like a single other option in either free agency or the draft at this point.

Couple of articles to peruse to help with your decision.

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/the-5-best-fits-for-nick-foles-in-2019.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223734370.html

Definitely NOT Nick Foles. We don't and won't have a team to win nor a budget to spend on high dollar free agents.  Spending that kind of money on him is a waste right now.  If we were a QB away then I'd say yes but not only are we not ... we are going to be getting rid of some of the talent we currently have.

I think we go with David Fales and Luke Falk. The worst thing we can do next year is to win 6-9 games next year while we are trying to rebuild.

If we are really going to blow it up in 2019, then we are probably going with a Fales or Fitzpatrick. Cheap QBs who aren't great but good enough where the fans won't accuse the team of pulling a Suck for Luck. Of course, that's if Fales resigns but I feel he will if he knows he has a true shot of starting.

Lol ... within an hour of me posting the above comment Donno and Freido on wqam said basically the same thing about Tannehill. They said by keeping him you essentially are going to be a middle of the road team with no shot of moving up the draft. Shooting yourself in the foot kind of thing

I actually wouldn't mind the Foles thing for a couple years.  He reminds me of a (slightly) more talented Jay Fiedler.  I think some folks are cutting Miami short in the talent department on offense; it's not as bleak as it seems.  It was really more scheme and coaching (and injuries) versus talent.

At 29 years old I'd rather take a swipe at Foles than, say Flacco.  There is something to be said for leadership under center (and leadership who knows how to win).

If someone can point me in the direction of a potential dark horse in the draft, great. 

I can't see a new coach coming in and going with Fales. It just ain't happening. That's like coming in and saying sure I'll coach for 1 or 2 years go 2-30 so you you can fire me just when I start to get some players. No coach is gonna do that. I'm not even sure that Ross would WANT that.

I think it depends what Ross wants; and tells the Coach he is hiring.  Some interviews with Ross seem to indicate he is okay with a suck for Luck season in 2019, so they can draft their QB in 2020.  In that case they may use Fales or some other low cost QB for 2019.  If Ross wants to win now, then they either have to pay Nick Foles, or move up in the 2019 draft to get the best available QB now.

Agreed, our receiving is solid and we got some good running backs. O-Line talent is solid on the left and right, better coaching means better play from them all. Still, we will be stuck in the 6-9 win range and it's time to go for 2 wins or 12 wins. 2 wins seems more likely so let Ryan go and start Fales.

I cannot imagine Parker is here next season. He has a cap hit of $9.4 million all of which can be saved by cutting him. Stills could easily be gone as well. The team could save over $4 million in cap space by cutting him. I think you either go for some young receivers to go with your 2020 quarterback, or you break the bank on a really good one. Parker and Stills don't fit either mold.

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=25553.0

Mark Sanchez 😈😈😈

Butt Fumble is my all time favorite play. 

In all seriousness I think the Dolphins should keep Tanny unless they think Fales is ready for the stating gig.

If we are going to cut Tannehill & pick up a QB off another team, the guy I would trade for would be Derek Carr if the Raiders are willing to deal (with maybe Reshad Jones as part of the trade?). He was genuinely elite before his injury (and before Gruden took all of his best targets away), and has a quick enough release to cope with our dodgy offensive line.

I do rate both Foles and Flacco (I guess Superbowl MVP performances and form in those playoffs leading up influence that thinking), but I doubt either would be able to flourish under the relentless defensive rush they will inevitably be facing wearing a Dolphins uniform.

That said, I would be very surprised if we went down that path. If we are going the total rebuild as Ross indicated in his comments when Gase got fired, I would expect us to either draft a QB this year, or get a cheap and nasty castoff to well and truly bottom out next year and then draft one in 2020...

Then again this is Ross we are talking about, seriously who knows WTF he is thinking?

First of all, Nick Foles proved he is a better QB than RT but Miami is not ready nor should pay him the type of money he might be asking. Foles has looked very good playing for the Eagles. First when he was there when he got drafted and now 2nd time around. And thats the point im gonna make...I def dont think he would be as successful in Miami as he is in Philly. The Head Coach, play calling, coaches and players all together  are a perfect fit for him and in order for him to be just as good elsewhere he would need the similar type of o-line, receivers and coaches he has now. He didn't play good when he got traded to the Rams, and obviously he had to be a back-up with the Chiefs. He said it himself he felt like he wanted to be done with football and walk away cuz it wasnt fun anymore. Therefore, as good as he might be, its too risky for Miami unless they can get him for a good price, where they still would need to change the offense around him and maybe bring in hi fomer QB coach as an OC.  Makes more sense to bring someone that can fit our system (whoever its gonna be running the offense now I guess) and is much cheaper than Ryan Tannehill so RT's release and new cap space room would actually be used in the proper way and resign JuWan James, bringing in new QB free agent young and cheap enough and possibly making an upgrade at G/C specifically. By not keeping DeVante Parker also helps us do that. Basically, I hope they are smart enough to see if they can bring a good veteran on a short term deal for ex. like 2 yrs. and as a back-up either keep one of the current ones (Fales, Falk) or drafting one you like that has a good arm and scrambling ability.
Knowing that next year's draft will have much better QBs, its not too big of a risk, plus who knows maybe it will work out. By making major upgrades at D-line specifically, and adding depth at O-line or replacing one or two should be our #1 priority and I hope it will be.
...to finish off, the QBs I'd strongly consider going after are Bridgewater, Sam Bradford  and Chase Daniel. For some reason I really think Chase Daniel can turn out to be a very good QB. Similar to J. Garappollo and others that were vack-ups to future hall of famers. Just watch some of his hghlights on Youtube plz. And im sure Miami can get them pretty cheap. And by signing a 2yr deal ur not risking much and if the plan doesnt work then u'll draft a new QB next year. With a worse record they'll be picking in top 10. I would even go as far as paying Bridgewater $12-$15 mil. a year with 18-20 mil.  guaranteed just to bring him in. By getting this Defense where it should be, adding to the o-line and be able to run the ball on offense, wont be putting all the pressure on the ne QB but the potential is def there in my opinion. He'd be cheaper than RT if Miami would stay with him.
   I'm hoping Miami will go after DEF minded coach this time and with prior HC exp. The only coach w/o prior HC exp that id hire is Vic Fangio. But if Rex Ryan took the Jets to 2 AFC title games with rookie Mark Sanchez with that philosophy, anything is possible!

Doesn't this kinda suggest though that RT is as good as Nick Foles but just doesn't have the same players, coaches etc that Foles has? In other words you think Foles would still be a down grade to RT for Miami. I'm not sure I agree. I think Foles has some things that Tannehill lacks. Maybe it's leadership qualities. Maybe it's just that he doesn't get rattled. I'm not sure what it is but he seems to find a way to win games and that's something that RT has lacked. I like RT a lot and I do see at times him able to bring the team back, but not very often. Foles I think does a better job in that regard to RT and that's kinda the reason that I think Foles might be a better QB for Miami until his replacement can be found. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Foles is necessarily going to make Miami a playoff team, they have far too many other holes to fix for that to happen, but I think if they fixed those holes then yeah I think Miami could win with Foles, but I think Miami could win with RT too if they would fix those other holes, but I don't think that's going to happen. RT is done in Miami I'm pretty convinced of that.

I'm not convinced about the other guys you mentioned, but if we could get them cheap then I would do it. Foles is the only one that I would be willing to pay starting QB money for in FA. The others I'd have to get the blue light special on.

I think Tannehill is more athletically gifted and has a better arm, but Foles is a better and quicker decision maker.  I think Foles can read a defense and go through his progressions better.

Nick Foles is the best passer in the NFL when pressured

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/10/nick-foles-is-the-best-passer-in-the-nfl-when-pressured/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/10/nick-foles-is-the-best-passer-in-the-nfl-when-pressured/)

He would have been the league MVP on our team, lol.

The Eagles also have a very solid O-Line and talented runners.   

Jake Rudock

I'm starting to l like Murray from Oklahoma more and more.

This is just as  rediculous conversation to discuss. Tannehill may not be an elite QB, but he is very good. Much better than most in the league. He's had a few bad games, but everyone does. The O-line was horrible after the injuries early in the year. He couldn't even complete a 3 step drop without getting plowed in the ground! They need to keep him. The problem with the team is O-LINE and linebacker on defense.

It's just a hypothetical question and especially relevant when there is a chance Tannehill will be cut especially with a new coaching staff coming in. It's not unusual to bring in new players and QB is a key piece.

Our Savior  ::)

The best game of his career was a preseason game vs NE.  Dolphins sign him after deciding to hire Flores.  Maybe your next HC thinks he is a diamond in the rough

I'd like to draft Fromm from Georgia (sp)? next season, or wage a real war of attrition in sucking and wait a couple of years and draft what's his name from Clemson. Whatever.

Trevor Lawrence.   And if Jameis doesn't show any improvement, you'll have my boys to contend with for that. 

--get Foles
--draft Murray
Or
--wait until 2020 draft for qb
? ? ?
--Profit

I pray they don't waste a pick on Murray. He's 5'9 and 185lbs (I know he's listed at 5"10 195lbs but several reports say that isn't true). While he has skill he will not last in the NFL. We need to build up both of our lines in this draft and play a QB that doesn't affect our salary cap. It doesn't really matter who that is as long as he isn't going to win 6 or more games.

1.  We aren't going to purposefully tank, get off that tip already.  Whoever we bring in (Flores) will want to win right away.

2.  Foles has proven enough for me to want him on our team.  Once we gut the roster, we'll have room for him and other key pieces we need.

3.  Murray isn't just a rushing QB, he threw for 4k+ yards, 42 touchdowns, then also rushed for over 1k yards and 11 more tds... Runs a 4.3 forty.  He is 5'9 3/4", which is small, but he's worth the risk IMO.  Russell Wilson is 5'11", Drew Brees is only 6'.  Brock is 6'8" and he sucks.  

Count Chocula himself agrees with me.  I linked a reddit thread, Mel Kipers articles are hidden behind pay walls, scroll down a bit and you'll see someone copy pasted it in the comments section.


https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/agyn1q/mel_kipers_first_mock_draft_has_the_miami/?utm_source=reddit-android (https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/agyn1q/mel_kipers_first_mock_draft_has_the_miami/?utm_source=reddit-android)

Russel Wilson is 5"11 but is 210 of solid muscle. He's built more like Tebow. Brees is 6"0 and a solid 210. At 3" shorter and 25lbs lighter Murray will get killed. QBs on bad teams get hit blindsided all the time and that isn't something he will be able to take too much of. He's like a whole lot of other Heisman winning QBs in that with all his college skills it will not work out for him in the NFL.

Except Tebow is 250 lbs and Wilson is 204 lbs, so that's a poor example.  Kyler Murray is 194lbs by the way, so 204-194=10.  He's 10 lbs lighter than Wilson.  You have some heavy exaggerations there not based on facts.  If we went on past archetypes, Wilson would have never been a star.  I'm not saying him being small isn't a con, I just don't see it as big a con as you do, seeing how high his ceiling can be.

Drafting Murry would be very risky. In the 13th slot you would be offering him less money than the A’s. 

Murray is not what his stats say he is. They are just press release numbers for his team.  Just wait for the combine when he actually gets measured.

Pure conjecture, I'll believe it when I see it, not make stuff up on heresay.

Kyler played high school here in the town where we live.  He is WAY too small framed to for the NFL.  Also, his dad is a douche and he is the one who calls the shots for his son.  He will go wherever the most money is in terms of which sport he will play.  I tend to think he knows that he is too small for the NFL and they are just trying to get more money out of the A's, but that is just speculation on my part. 

I don't get the feeling that Murry is strictly looking at money. My understanding is that he would rather go to the NFL and be a possible star then be playing minor league baseball for a year or 2 before he makes it to the bigs (assuming he ever makes it). Most of his family I believe are pushing for him to go to MLB, so the very fact that he's still considering the NFL is relevant.

I think that's a nice side benefit. I think he really is considering the NFL. Not saying he will go that route, but my understanding is that is where Murray's heart is. His head may be telling him otherwise.

Okay maybe money isn’t the only factor...but he is still a big risk.  Once drafted might decide he doesn’t want to play for the team that drafted him and he has the leverage to say “trade me to team X or I will play baseball”.

Anyone who drafts Murray in the first three rounds is a fool. 

in any round.  If he is drafted in round 2 to 7 it is pretty much guaranteed he will play baseball.  It is risky to take him early due to his size and lack of commitment, but as he falls the chances of him playing baseball goes up.  So using a late round draft pick is just wasting a pick.

Murray definitely thinks he is a top NFL pick. He told the As he'd play baseball if they guaranteed him 15 million which they did not.

According to Mike Leslie of WFAA, Murray wants a $15 million contract from the A’s. Otherwise, Murray will enter the NFL draft.

That’s a risky position for Murray. If the A’s say yes, he gets the money. If the A’s say no, does that really close the door on the A’s changing their mind later? That’s the dilemma any NFL team that drafts Murray would face.

If $15 million is Murray’s financial goal, that would peg his NFL floor in the range of pick No. 11 or 12, based on the 2018 contracts given to first-round picks. If a team takes Murray below that spot, will the A’s step up and match or beat the slotted contract value that Murray would get from his NFL team
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/13/report-kyler-murray-wants-15-million-to-commit-to-baseball/

I am kinda hoping the risk of drafting him and him playing baseball scares everyone off and he gets drafted 256.

^^^ I really don't care for him playing one against the other ... but I guess that's his right. It just puts both teams at a real disadvantage.

To me this just solidifies the idea that Murray would rather play Football. There's no way the A's are gonna pay him 15 million right now. My understanding is that Murray doesn't really have to choose until after the NFL draft. He could report to the A's and still change his mind after the draft depending upon if and where he's chosen. He could also choose not to report to the A's in the hopes doing so would raise his stock in the draft and if not then go to the A's. Anyone think differently?

I don’t know what he is going to do.  Neither do you.  Nor the As.  Nor NFL GMs.  I am not even sure if Murray has a concrete plan.  All of which makes using a draft pick on him highly risky. If a team uses a pick on him, they might have a player, they might not.  The only potential draftees more risky would be someone who sustained injuries in a car crash while driving drunk to the combine.

I hope they don't draft Murray.  I don't want to see a David Overstreet repeat.

A bit off topic. Is it just me or shouldn't they make people agree to play a minimum amount of time if they enter the draft and get drafted?

That would run foul to the 13th amendment.  If you are drafted you can only play for the team that drafted you for 3 years.  The NFL could impose a rule that if you have a current contact with another sport you are prohibited from being drafted or signing with a team.  But a rule saying that if you are drafted you must play football is slavery,

That's what I mean. As a requirement to enter the draft you have to agree to play for the team that drafts you or has rights to you for a minimum amount of time. If you don't agree, you don't get to enter the draft. Either you want to play football or you don't.

That pretty much already exists, if a player gets drafted he can only play for that team.

If you mean sign a document promising that if drafted you won’t play baseball, go to grad school, or get a different job rather than play football that would be unenforceable under the 13th amendment.   

It is also totally unnecessary.  It is a GMs job to assess a potential draftees commitment to football. 

How is it slavery if you voluntarily sign a contract that says in exchange for admittance to the draft that you WILL play football for a certain amount of time? No one is putting a gun to anyone's head. You're not making any sense.

Technically you are correct that would not be slavery, it would be indentured servant.  With the exception of the military, you can not be bound to not quit your job.  You can forfeit a signing bonus for quitting before the term of the contract is over, but you can not be compelled to work. 

There's inherent risk in all draft choices. You don't know who's going to tear up a knee chasing their dog or just walking down the steps of their apartment. That shouldn't prevent you from drafting the guy. You have to weigh risk versus reward. The average lifespan of a player is what 3 or 4 years? You can't treat draft choices like they are gold. You have to treat them like gambling chips. Some are gonna pay off big, but most aren't. But you can't win if you don't ante up.

i agree all draft picks have risk, that is why talented players with risk factors (behavior or injury) will fall.  (and possibly be a bargain in later rounds)  Problem with this guy is the further he falls the greater the chance he chooses baseball.  So unless you think he is so talented to be worth trading up for you are taking a big risk.  Plus given his size he is a relative risk of failure even if he plays.  If I am a GM he is not on my draft board at all.

Obviously someone can refuse to play after making an agreement. Just doesn't make sense to me that someone can enter the draft and waste everyone's time and money and then choose to go play soccer or volleyball. At that point you just blacklist him from the NFL and make him pay a hefty fine stipulated in a contract. 

Most players don’t enter the draft.  By virtue of using your 4 years of college eligiblity you automatically become a potential draftee, only JR formally go thru a process of being drafted.  So any such solution would demand a lot of. time and money to fix a problem that barely exists.

What if a player spends a lot of time and money to enter the draft, and then doesn't get drafted?  Does the NFL owe him money for all the time he wasted?

If you're worried about a player wasting your time and money, do not draft that player.
If you're worried about the NFL wasting your time and then not drafting you, do not enter the draft.
Seems pretty simple to me.

Unless they  changed the rule, that only stands for one year. If you don't play, you  can reenter the draft the next year.

True but once you do that nobody is going to waste a draft pick on you.

Then you can sign with whoever you want. 

I'd also be happy with Drew Lock sitting behind Nick Foles next year.  Lock has a pretty good arm, good touch and is about as mobile as Tannehill (just a bit slower).

I saw this comment on  pft about Flores upcoming presser.


Got me thinking not just for Tannehill but all the players that would be a great way to rate them.  Flores game planned against the Dolphins a few times, some guys posed a huge headache others were a bit easier.  The players that kept the Patriots DC awake at night are the players the Dolphins HC should want to extend, the players that didn't pose much of a challenge should be cut. 

I recall BB saying the reason he trade for Wes Welker is he was very difficult to game plan against. 

hahaha ... I think that's part QB and part coach. For the most part ... our offense was pretty vanilla screens.

I got a sneaky suspicion that whomever it is there will be some people that will miss having Tannehill around next year. I for one am sad to see him go. One of the most likeable QB's the Dolphins have had in my humble opinion.

I like him too but I understand the deal. He needs a new start somewhere else anyway so it might end up being a win-win before it's all over.

Tannehill is extremely likeable.  He just isn't very great at football, slightly above average.

He could have had a much better career. He was done a huge disservice by being picked by Miami.

Bit off topic, but close......assuming Tannehill is cut what happens to him......

Does he go on to be a franchise QB somewhere else...ala Drew Brees?

Does he become a journey man stop gaping teams who need a year or part of a season to get a rookie ready?

Does he get regulated to a backup role?

Does he retire?  And if so coaching?  Broadcasting?  Other?  

I say he'll be a journeyman stopgap who need to prepare a rookie QB, and ultimately the best backup QB in the league later on.

Depends on where he ends up. He could be a back up and live out a peaceful career just like Chad Henne is doing in KC. 

Because they didn't provide him with a line to protect him and also allowed him to try an alternative to surgery when he tore his knee up the first time.   I would've told him, "You're having the surgery or you're going to another team"

I guess we could pick specific reasons. However, I think "being picked by Miami" pretty much says all you need to know, LMAO.....

That is an extremely vagrant violation of the CBA.  Very well could have resulted in the Dolphins being forced to pay the rest of his contract and allow him to become FA with no offset. 

I don't see him broadcasting but you never know. I didn't think Aikman or Romo would make good broadcasters and at least Aikman is very good and Romo I think will be on par one day.

I think he could retire as I think his wife could still be a model. She's had a couple of kids, but I think she stays in pretty good shape. Maybe Ryan could be a good stay at home dad.

Aikmen is terrible.  Romo is great.

What about signing two quarterbacks and varying them so the opponents don't know who to game plan for?

why not just play both of them at the same time in a A-11 offense scheme!!!

When you have two QBs, you don't have any.   

False:  Joe Montana/Steve Young...Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers...Drew Brees (GOAT)/Philip Rivers

Bledsoe/Brady(GOAT) ....Wenz/Foles

I don't recall those guys playing a rotation though. One of them was the guy the other a backup

Best odds are that Foles goes to Miami or Jacksonville

https://www.pennlive.com/philadelphiaeagles/2019/02/miami-dolphins-jacksonville-jaguars-have-best-odds-to-land-philadelphia-eagles-backup-nick-foles.html (https://www.pennlive.com/philadelphiaeagles/2019/02/miami-dolphins-jacksonville-jaguars-have-best-odds-to-land-philadelphia-eagles-backup-nick-foles.html)

Anyone who is writing that Miami is after Foles has no clue as to what they are talking about. They are only looking at the obvious from the outside point of view.

Those are Vegas odds playa, pretty sure you didn't click on the link. 

LOL ... No I didn't. Like I said ... anyone thinking Foles will be in Miami has not been paying attention so I wouldn't care what else they said. I thought Vegas was better than that.

Then bet other side on the line and make yourself some coin.

I don't think he'll go to Jax either seeing as how they are drafting pretty high. Hard to say at this point where he'll end up. I hear Philly is thinking of resigning him and trading so they can control were he goes. They don't want the giants to get him.

^Also mentioned in that article about Philly franchising and trading him, and how there are rules that they can't really do that.  You should really read it lol.

Just cause I'm bored ... I looked and don't see it saying anything about "how there are rules that they can't really do that."

That means Foles will either hit free agency unencumbered, or the Eagles will attempt to place the franchise tag on him — a move that could come at a hefty price — and then move him to get some immediate compensation.

There’s still a couple weeks for that to play out. But the one thing that seems like a virtual certainty is that Foles won’t be back in Philadelphia next season. So then the question becomes much simpler: Where will Nick Foles play football next season?

Article 4, Section 8, subsection (b) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement states as follows: “A Club extending a Required Tender must, for so long as that Tender is extended, have a good faith intention to employ the player receiving the Tender at the Tender compensation level during the upcoming season.”

So Foles could argue if he is traded that no good faith intention existed and thus the tag is void. 

Brings up obvious question....didn’t Patriots do that with Cassel.  Yup, and I am pretty sure if he had fought it, he would have won in arbitration.  But MC was okay with playing for KC so he didn’t fight it.  If Foles is okay  with the new team and what they are offering he might not fight it either.

You're right, my bad.  It was another article I saw that on that I was reading around the same time as the one I posted.  Hoodie got the gist of it.

Maybe Jacoby Brissett?

https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1095875790712070145?s=19 (https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1095875790712070145?s=19)

Heard the Colts might want too high a draft pick(s) though.

Really going all in on former Patriots.

Brisket? Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Why not give ol' stinkfish a chance at the job? Seriously.

Can I be your backup? I'll only take $250k a year, play every 4th game, and buy the beer before kickoff. Deal? If we're gonna tank, I can make that happen on the cheap....

If the team is as bad as it sounds, $250K might not be enough to buy the beer before every kickoff. Gonna be a lot of wasted coaches/players before they ever hit the field.  >:D

Just give me my check and let me worry about the beer, LMAO

He'd be worth a straight up trade for Devante Parker, maybe throw in a 5th round pick to sweeten the pot.

You supply the beers. None of that budlight crap. And I'll supply the picks. I mean, if they really do want to tank for Tua then we'd be the perfect QB duo.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/15/chad-oshea-on-qb-still-in-the-evaluation-process/

Sounds like they haven’t decided yet.  Me thinks it is a case of what falls in their lap.  And if Tanny is cut/traded it won’t be until after someone else is acquired.

Bit of irony but the Dolphins OC came into the job better suited to evaluate the defensive players skill set than the offense.

Not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes you dictate your offense based on what kind of defense you have.

I want them to go with Luke Falk. Get him the experience needed to be a backup.

That is, unless you think that you might actually win 4 - 5 games. If that's the case, go with an unrestricted rookie free agent this season. A poor quarterback can get Miami to the 15 to 16 losses that it needs to be guaranteed the first pick in the draft, regardless of team strength elsewhere.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/27/eagles-will-let-nick-foles-walk-in-free-agency-no-franchise-tag/

Not too often a SB MVP QB is a free agent. 

Agreed, but why would he come to a rebuilding team and why would a rebuilding team pay big money for a QB when they basically WANT to lose games?

They don’t want to lose games.  That is a fan theory, not supported by the statements of the gm, coach or owner.

And Foles might not be looking for a mega contract.  But he might insist that he be guaranteed the starting gig.  (e.g. only sign if Tanny is cut; Eli for the Giants, etc,).

I'm okay if they want to sign him and draft someone next year.

So you think they would tell you if they were planning on losing? I know you are smarter than that. It's more than a fan theory BTW. Those who have inside connections have said it too. We all know that whatever we hear is a filtered version of the truth. I laugh because Joe Rose had to back up after almost revealing something from his conversion with Marino earlier this morning. He even stated ... I have to be careful about some of the things I repeat.

Just read an article from Armando about "tanking". Here's portion of him calling them out ...LOL.

The Dolphins say they’re definitely not tanking. "I think everyone kind of took Steve’s words the [December 31] press conference out of context because you’ve been around Steve. He is a volatile, very competitive person,” Grier said. “So we’re not trying to lose games. We’re going to do what’s best. We’re going to build like we’ve talked about building right, going through the process to do what’s best for the Dolphins.

“But, no, we’re not trying to tank or lose every game. But we’re going to build it right and see how it plays out.”

So this is how the Dolphins want to play it?

They’re blaming “everyone” for taking Ross out of context?

Like when Ross was asked why he ultimately fired coach Adam Gase and his response was, ““I think Adam wants to win and win now?”

So this whole idea of a reset and rebuild is a false narrative concocted by reporters who didn’t understand what Ross was saying?

Speaking for myself, I guess I also misunderstood what multiple sources told me when they said the word “tanking” was actually used and the idea was discussed in at least one coach interview last month.

And I misunderstood when I was told by team sources who said what is coming is a rebuild that will flush some significant talent for the sake of getting in position to draft a great quarterback in 2020 or 2021 such as Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa (in ‘20) or Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence (in ‘21)?
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article226862204.html

Just because they are not trying to lose doesn't mean they are trying to win. I think it's pretty obvious what they are trying to do is rebuild, whatever that means. If it means going 2-14 in 2019, so be it. That's what I take from all of this. If they keep Tannehill, make a legit offer to Foles or draft a QB in the first round then I'll believe they are trying to win games in 2019. Otherwise they are not interested in winning in 2019.

Signing Foles to a two year deal would be counterproductive both to Foles and the Dolphins desires and needs.  Signing Foles to a 6 or 7 year deal could be in both's best interest assuming the Dolphins feel Foles has the skills to be a franchise QB and not just a back up/place holder and Foles likes the long term prospects of the Dolphins.   

I think I've said this before in this thread, but this draft isn't really a good QB draft, so why not play Tannehill next season, and draft this year like they're preparing to make the team a contender next season and beyond, then draft one of the hot QBs coming out in next year's draft. I know it won't happen, especially since he knows that he's not wanted, and wouldn't want to be in Miami next season because of that.

Think about what you just outlined Stink It is a pipe dream. Keep the QB good enough to keep you at 8-8 and still grab a QB so highly thought of  that people are planning for them one or two years ahead. If rosters could ony be as easily manipulated  as I see suggested so many times

Yes, but....but..... the situation just sucks.

Still.  8-8 is no man's land.   Not good enough to make the playoffs but not bad enough to get you a top five draft choice

Cross Foles off the list.  But Bortles is now available.

Well, if they want to tank this year, Bortles would be the guy to go to.  To call him horrible is an insult to all things that are horrible.  Good physical tools, but he is one of the worst decision makers at QB the league has seen in the last 10 years.  If they sign him, please let it be for only a couple years.  NOTHING long term. 

Rumor is Miami is going after Tyrod Taylor.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1105467857427673090 (https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1105467857427673090)

I'd rather they go after Fitzpatrick if they are going veteran QB, but there are worse choices.

Odd that Bidgewater choosing to be a backuo for less money in NOLA than a starter in Miami.

Other reports say the Dolphins didn't offer. Either way ... I'm good with him not coming here.

Well he has a shot at getting a SB ring with NO. Plus he can really extend his career by holding a clipboard, and make more money in the long run.

I was going to say the same thing about getting a SB ring. 

TT is now a charger.

Yeah just came here to post that.  Means my pick Fitzmagic is still available.

"The Braintrust" will probably bring Jay Cutler out of retirement again to the tune of about $15M for one year.  Too bad Earl Morrall has passed away.  He would have been perfect.

Lol you're jaded.  Those guys are gone.  Grier has been very good since he took the reigns.

Oh I know.  I was mostly just kidding.  But you know how it is.  You kick a dog enough times and eventually he flinches every time you go near him.  That's how I feel with stupid Dolphins personnel moves.   ;D

Oh thank god!!!

As long as I don't start hearing Colin Kaepernick's name thrown around. I'm perfectly happy with any other failed or unproven QB who hasn't already committed or signed

Word is Dolphins are making a late push for Teddy Bridgwater ... which I hope does not happen. Leave it to us to win 5-6 games when we were trying to lose.

I don't think Tannehill nor Bridgewater nor just about anyone else can save Miami from a 3 win season.

UPDATE: Teddy Bridgewater is in Davie so they likely will end up convincing him.

http://bleacherreport.com/post/new-orleans-saints/dc41d7e7-e1be-46be-b232-a915e8477b9e (http://bleacherreport.com/post/new-orleans-saints/dc41d7e7-e1be-46be-b232-a915e8477b9e)

Let's hope Bridgewater is just using the Dolphins to get a better deal from NO.  I liked Bridgewater before his injury, but I just don't have faith he can stay healthy; and I don't want history repeating itself with Miami getting another Vikings QB recovering from an injury.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ALaboutSports/status/1105963144847990790?s=20 (https://mobile.twitter.com/ALaboutSports/status/1105963144847990790?s=20)

Looks like Bridgewater is staying with the Saints.  At this point, I think the Dolphins should try to sign Garrett Gilbert (AAF Orlando Apollos QB) once the AAF season is over.  He can't be worse than any of the remaining free agent QB left out there.

Don't you dare!!   The Apollos need him back next year to repeat as AAF champs

Better get used to that, that's the whole point of the AAF league.  ;)

Yeah, I'd sign the Apollos QB to compete for a spot.

I know.   I was messing with you.   Which is why being a fan of the AAF will keep you on your toes because you don't know who will be gone by season's end.   

This league is rapidly gaining fire on social media.   

Tannehill is a Titan, just traded.

http://bleacherreport.com/post/miami-dolphins/bd35b0e0-798f-403b-9483-f7a919cb83b0 (http://bleacherreport.com/post/miami-dolphins/bd35b0e0-798f-403b-9483-f7a919cb83b0)

Congrats to RT17. You will be missed. I for one really liked him.

I think it's just you and me on this one.

I have a Tannehill jersey, I've always liked him.  It's time to move on though, he just isn't good enough.

I had already made peace with him moving on and I'm ok with it. Not that it's necessarily for the better, but I understand it. He's had plenty of chances and it didn't happen here. Time to try something else. I get it.

You have to think long term.  Tear down and start over.   Tannehill just wasn't in those plans.   I think he might've been had he continued his progression from 2016 before he got hurt.   Unfortunately, missing an entire season really set him back and I don't think he'll ever reach that level again

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/15/report-colin-kaepernick-interested-in-dolphins-job/

i'm ok with this .. bring him in!

The media attention surrounding him would be unbearable, plus it's never a great idea to have your Miami QB wear pro-Castro shirts.

Then again, our O-Line will be an abomination and he would get hurt a lot.....

In a city full of Cuban exiles, I'd say he would need armed security 24/7 wearing that shirt.   A big reason why I wouldn't want him in Tampa either

Aside from political reasons, he sucks.  We would need to cater a special offense that plays to his strengths and hides his weaknesses, which are a lot.  If he gets hurt, the backup isn't going to run the same offense.  It's not worth it for a backup caliber QB.

As best I can telll page 9 of ths thread was 1st mention of your next QB.  10shot gets the prize.

Nope, page 1 third post from Edge. He tried to to bury it, but I found it. LOL

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2019-nfl-draft-comparing-brett-rypien-to-tom-brady-pfn-film-room/ (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2019-nfl-draft-comparing-brett-rypien-to-tom-brady-pfn-film-room/)

Good write up on Brett Rypien, comparing him to Tom Brady when he was a prospect.  He would be a late round prospect rounds 5-7 likely. 

That's a hell of a way to say, "This guy grades out as a sixth-rounder."

It's one thing to compare someone to Antonio Gates or Kurt Warner.  It's something else entirely to compare them to those players as prospects.  They were terrible prospects, which is why they went undrafted.

I don't understand your point.  The article is showing that Rypien isn't the best prospect because he's skinny and doesn't have an elite arm, just like Tom Brady the prospect, and that intangibles are harder to scout.  That and the writer believes Rypien has those same intangibles to some degree that Brady has, so it would be worth it to draft him in the later rounds.  

It's a fun article about a late draft pick talent.  I wouldn't really want them to spend a high draft pick on any QB this draft within our reach, so this makes sense.  

^^^^ actually there is zero mention of the single most important intangible.  Brady being extremely coachable in comparison to other QBs.  That not him being scrawny at the combine is what allowed him to become great.

You'd have to be a fool to think he'll turn out like Brady but you'd be a fan to hope he does  :)

I wouldn't mind seeing Miami make a trade for Kyle Lauletta.

"One NFL scout in Morgantown, W.V., just texted that QB Will Grier “put on a show” for NFL Teams in attendance and predicted he’s “a riser.” The WVU QB is expected to meet with at least 10 teams before the draft, including the Giants, Redskins, Chargers, Pats and Saints."

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1108753450236551168?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1108753450236551168?s=20)

Currently a 3-5 round prospect.  Not sure why Scheft didn't include the Dolphins, you know they're one of those 3 teams.

Haskins to hold private workout with Dolphins

https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/21/dolphins-to-have-private-workout-with-osu-quarterback-haskins/ (https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/21/dolphins-to-have-private-workout-with-osu-quarterback-haskins/)

Likely a smoke screen.

I don't get your love for Kyle Lauletta.  He was drafted in the 4th round, barely used by the Giants last year, 0-5 on passes with an interception.  Comes from a small school, Richmond.  He's a project, not worth trading anything for, and if the Giants see something in him I can't see them letting him go; unless perhaps they do draft Haskins and want to keep Eli on for a final year.

That was pretty much my take on Lauletta too when he was coming out of college last year.  Didn't he also get arrested for some really dumbass stunt or am I thinking of some other young backup QB?

These are funny. If you can't show out at home with guys you've been playing with for some time now and no one defending then that would be news. Everyone looks good on their pro day and doesn't mean a whole lot to anyone.

Dolphins dine with Drew Lock.  Making the rounds.

https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Drew-Lock-had-dinner-with-the-Miami-Dolphins-will-eat-with-New-York-Giants-130358323/ (https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Drew-Lock-had-dinner-with-the-Miami-Dolphins-will-eat-with-New-York-Giants-130358323/)

Joe Rose said pretty much the same thing this morning. Said the media love playing it up but in reality no GM will be swayed by a performance against air vs tape against competition. Pro days are more of a meet and greet.

Agree.  More about an opportunity to interview player, coaches and teammates than skill assessment.  However, a bad proday can hurt.  If a player can grip the smaller college ball but struggles with the proball the players stock will drop.

https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/1110252564853841924 (https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/1110252564853841924)

"Chris Grier notes Miami Dolphins could Draft a QB in 19 and 20"

Whatever they have to do to get the right guy.

Absolutely! First thing Grier has said that actually impressed me.

I'm betting he will be looking later at someone like Will Grier.

I watched some Haskins highlights and wasn't impressed.  One read throws, some poorly thrown.  I hope we don't draft him.  I still want Oliver or Sweat.  There are a number mid draft QBs that have potential, I'd be happier with that situation.

Are the related?

If someone falls to us and the team absolutely loves him for whatever reason, then go for it. However, don't waste a 3rd rounder on a project because we need talent everywhere. Waste a 7th if you want but not a mid-round pick. I would rather wait and see where we draft in 2020 and get Tua if he is available.

I'd be okay with Chris Grier in the 3rd, but that's it.  I want them to draft Brett Rypien in rounds 6-7.

No

His name is Will

No we're drafting the entire Grier family

Not another family...

His wife is hot.

^ Still, marriage at 23 is nuts to me.

Next best thing is getting Rosen in a trade.