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Title: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: CF DolFan on February 08, 2019, 09:30:05 am
I hate that I keep seeing that "experts" are picking him ... eren though I'm pretty sure we won't be doing so. If you heard or saw his awkward interview with Dan Patrick I think it's pretty obvious he isn't playing football. I'm listening to Joe Rose speak with  Mike Florio from PFT and they are discussing him and they both believe if anyone picks him that they will not get anything in return.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 08, 2019, 09:55:33 am
I wouldn't be upset if they took him because he's explosive as hell.

I wouldn't be upset if they passed on him because he's risky af.

I'm a bit of a gambler on things, he's the type that's high risk/high reward.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: CF DolFan on February 08, 2019, 10:22:15 am
I wouldn't be upset if they took him because he's explosive as hell.

I wouldn't be upset if they passed on him because he's risky af.

I'm a bit of a gambler on things, he's the type that's high risk/high reward.
And that's exactly why the Dolphins should NOT take him. They have gone after the bigger risk. There are no guarantees but it's time to take more of a safer bet at QB. We haven't done that since Dan Marino. Ryan Tannyhill is the only other QB drafted in the first round and he was a high risk gamble that never paid off.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 08, 2019, 10:30:32 am
He comes with two risks: He might not sign.  Even if he does he might not br able to transition to the pro game. 

Most players only come with one of those risks.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 11, 2019, 01:53:26 pm
He's for sure, 100% committed to the NFL

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyler-murray-sets-sights-nfl-career-pushes-baseball-side-180006235.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyler-murray-sets-sights-nfl-career-pushes-baseball-side-180006235.html)


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 11, 2019, 02:13:45 pm
He's for sure, 100% committed to the NFL

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyler-murray-sets-sights-nfl-career-pushes-baseball-side-180006235.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyler-murray-sets-sights-nfl-career-pushes-baseball-side-180006235.html)

I don't see that as 100%.  On April 28th he can still call up the A's and say..."ya know when I sent ya know how I sent ya back the $3 million...... well...I thought I was gong to be drafted in the first round and be one of the first two QBs drafted.....now that I was drafted in the third round to be a back up....I am thinking baseball sounds more attractive."


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 11, 2019, 02:39:06 pm
I don't see that as 100%.  On April 28th he can still call up the A's and say..."ya know when I sent ya know how I sent ya back the $3 million...... well...I thought I was gong to be drafted in the first round and be one of the first two QBs drafted.....now that I was drafted in the third round to be a back up....I am thinking baseball sounds more attractive."
I think you are grasping at straws now. It's pretty apparent now that he would rather play in the NFL and with that hurdle crossed, he's going to get drafted in the 1st round if not early in the 2nd. QB's are too valuable to pass on him till the 3rd round, someone is going to take a chance on him. I think the more likely scenario is that he is drafted, signs an NFL contract plays a year for some team and if it turns out the NFL doesn't really work for him, THEN go play for the Athletics. He wouldn't have even really missed much maybe a year in the minor league system of the Athletics. This is MUCH more likely scenario then the reverse.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: CF DolFan on February 11, 2019, 02:48:13 pm
I don't see that as 100%.  On April 28th he can still call up the A's and say..."ya know when I sent ya know how I sent ya back the $3 million...... well...I thought I was gong to be drafted in the first round and be one of the first two QBs drafted.....now that I was drafted in the third round to be a back up....I am thinking baseball sounds more attractive."
That is an issue but the bigger question is this .... if it gets tough will he stick it out or bail to the MLB? Kind of like dating a girl who is still in love with her ex. You never know if she is going to go back or not.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 11, 2019, 03:30:23 pm
I think you are grasping at straws now. It's pretty apparent now that he would rather play in the NFL

The only things that is apparent is this guy changes his mind about what he plans to do very frequently and doesn't keep his commitments.  That coupled with his size could cause him to fall.   


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 11, 2019, 04:25:40 pm
The only things that is apparent is this guy changes his mind about what he plans to do very frequently and doesn't keep his commitments.
Not at all. I've seen several reports that Kyler himself has ALWAYS chosen football over baseball, that it is in fact where his heart is. It is in fact his family, especially his father that has been trying to get him to play baseball instead because of the experience he had with football. When he took that contract with the A's there was an exclusion that allowed him to play football for Oklahoma in the fall. The A's knew there was a risk of losing him to football from the start, but they didn't know that he would turn in a Heisman season and neither did Kyler. Things change. There's no shame in realizing that things have changed and doing what's right for yourself. Hoodie I think you need to read up a bit on the situation. You are putting your own thoughts into this without really knowing the full story. If you are really interested you will do a little research and find out the truth. No one is really questioning the kids heart, it's always been a question of whether he's going to listen to his family or choose for himself. It's clear now he has chosen and for better or for worse he's chosen football.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25729395/inside-kyler-murray-football-vs-baseball-decision


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 11, 2019, 05:22:34 pm
Not at all. I've seen several reports that Kyler himself has ALWAYS chosen football over baseball, that it is in fact where his heart is. It is in fact his family, especially his father that has been trying to get him to play baseball instead because of the experience he had with football. When he took that contract with the A's there was an exclusion that allowed him to play football for Oklahoma in the fall. The A's knew there was a risk of losing him to football from the start, but they didn't know that he would turn in a Heisman season and neither did Kyler. Things change. There's no shame in realizing that things have changed and doing what's right for yourself. Hoodie I think you need to read up a bit on the situation. You are putting your own thoughts into this without really knowing the full story. If you are really interested you will do a little research and find out the truth. No one is really questioning the kids heart, it's always been a question of whether he's going to listen to his family or choose for himself. It's clear now he has chosen and for better or for worse he's chosen football.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25729395/inside-kyler-murray-football-vs-baseball-decision

If I am a GM I am not risking a pick on him. 


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 12, 2019, 10:01:17 am
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/11/as-not-giving-up-on-kyler-murray-which-could-complicate-his-nfl-prospects/

Even if his heart is in football, if the As offer more money than the team that drafts him, he could go back to listening to his parents.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 12, 2019, 10:39:53 am
If I am a GM I am not risking a pick on him.  
Well it's not really a matter of risking a pick on him or not, it's a matter of which pick are you willing to risk on him. I can see GM's saying I'm not risking a 1st round pick on him, but at some point every GM is gonna be willing to take a gamble on him. It's just which round is that for the GM and some GM is gonna blink first. I'm betting that someone is going to be willing to take a 1st round gamble on him. That might change after the combine but I only see him being able to increase his stock at the combine, if he measures closer to 5-10 then 5-8 and closer to 200 lbs rather than 175, rather than lower it much. Everyone already knows he can play, it's just do they think he can be a franchise QB or not.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 12, 2019, 10:56:29 am
Well it's not really a matter of risking a pick on him or not, it's a matter of which pick are you willing to risk on him. I can see GM's saying I'm not risking a 1st round pick on him, but at some point every GM is gonna be willing to take a gamble on him. It's just which round is that for the GM and some GM is gonna blink first. I'm betting that someone is going to be willing to take a 1st round gamble on him. That might change after the combine, but I only see him being able to increase his stock at the combine if he measures closer to 5-10 then 5-8 and closer to 200 lbs rather than 175 rather than lower it much. Everyone already knows he can play, it's just do they think he can be a franchise QB or not.

I am not risking a first on him because of his size and risk he won’t sign.

I am not risking a second because I will be offering him half as much money as the As, (due to rookie cap) so while I am risking only a second the chances the pick is a waste is higher than it was in round 1.

In the third thru six, it is almost guaranteed he will play baseball so I draft someone who can actually help my team.

If he is still hanging around in the 7th (or maybe late 6) I roll the dice on the chance he was serious about football, because if he isn’t it didn’t cost me much.  And maybe in 1 or 2 years he can replace the starter or if not he can go play baseball. 


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Phishfan on February 12, 2019, 12:41:07 pm
I wouldn't draft him. Mark this down, he will not be a success in the NFL


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Dolphster on February 12, 2019, 12:43:05 pm
I am not risking a first on him because of his size and risk he won’t sign.

I am not risking a second because I will be offering him half as much money as the As, (due to rookie cap) so while I am risking only a second the chances the pick is a waste is higher than it was in round 1.

In the third thru six, it is almost guaranteed he will play baseball so I draft someone who can actually help my team.

If he is still hanging around in the 7th (or maybe late 6) I roll the dice on the chance he was serious about football, because if he isn’t it didn’t cost me much.  And maybe in 1 or 2 years he can replace the starter or if not he can go play baseball. 

I think that is a very logical approach.  I don't think there is any way he lasts through the 2nd round, but I think I would approach him the same way you outlined. 


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 12, 2019, 02:37:31 pm
I think that is a very logical approach.  I don't think there is any way he lasts through the 2nd round, but I think I would approach him the same way you outlined. 
What does logic have to do with the NFL draft?  >:D


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 12, 2019, 03:39:19 pm
What does logic have to do with the NFL draft?  >:D

Exhibit A:  Tim Tebow being drafted in the first round.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: masterfins on February 12, 2019, 03:47:12 pm
I don't think we need to worry about the Dolphins drafting him, unless they want to move up the draft order to get him.  The Jags or Giants will draft him if he shows up to draft day wanting to play in the NFL.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on February 12, 2019, 04:23:32 pm
What does logic have to do with the NFL draft?  >:D

Exhibit A:  Tim Tebow being drafted in the first round.

You just proved what happens when logic goes out the window


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 12, 2019, 05:44:34 pm
Folks think he is gonna be a fin https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/12/betting-odds-have-dolphins-as-the-favorites-to-draft-kyler-murray/


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: masterfins on February 12, 2019, 09:01:46 pm
Folks think he is gonna be a fin https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/12/betting-odds-have-dolphins-as-the-favorites-to-draft-kyler-murray/

Probably the same people that had Baker Mayfield going to the Dolphins last year.  I don't see Miami trading up to get him, and he will be gone before Miami picks.

Other rumor is that the Cardinals trade Rosen to the Patriots, and draft Murray.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Dolphster on February 13, 2019, 10:12:29 am
I wouldn't believe a single thing that any football organization says between now and the draft.  It is officially smokescreen and diversion season. 


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: hordman on February 13, 2019, 12:20:34 pm
I hate that I keep seeing that "experts" are picking him

Would love to know the percentage that folks like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are correct with their pre-draft picks every year (personally I like McShaw, Kiper is an asshat)

Don't know if they ever go back and do this, but can't believe these nos. would be quite high, may 40-45% of the time IMO

As for the Dolphins picking 13th and taking him, I don't believe they will and go on record now saying I hate this pick and will be definitely disappointed in this team/org if they make this selection.

Nothing against the guy, great college player and of course Heisman winner, but I'm not building my team around someone 5'9 (yes, 69" high) and starting the winning tradition & culture with a pick of such short stature (see what I did there?)

MIA will go into with the selection with needing help along two fronts, DL and OL.  Period




Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 13, 2019, 12:27:01 pm
Would love to know the percentage that folks like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are correct with their pre-draft picks every year (personally I like McShaw, Kiper is an asshat)

Don't know if they ever go back and do this, but can't believe these nos. would be quite high, may 40-45% of the time IMO

As for the Dolphins picking 13th and taking him, I don't believe they will and go on record now saying I hate this pick and will be definitely disappointed in this team/org if they make this selection.

Nothing against the guy, great college player and of course Heisman winner, but I'm not building my team around someone 5'9 (yes, 69" high) and starting the winning tradition & culture with a pick of such short stature (see what I did there?)

MIA will go into with the selection with needing help along two fronts, DL and OL.  Period




"Before the season, our strength staff measured him at 5-9 7/8 in socks."  He's closer to 5'10"


https://twitter.com/mhouckOU/status/1084938177956233216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1084938177956233216&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F01%2Fkyler-murray-nfl-draft-height-tall-oklahoma-football-baseball-size-oakland-a (https://twitter.com/mhouckOU/status/1084938177956233216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1084938177956233216&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F01%2Fkyler-murray-nfl-draft-height-tall-oklahoma-football-baseball-size-oakland-a)


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: masterfins on February 13, 2019, 12:59:41 pm
^^^ Well he's 6'4" with the afro.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 13, 2019, 01:19:55 pm

Other rumor is that the Cardinals trade Rosen to the Patriots, and draft Murray.

Don’t see that happening.  Tom would throw a fit.  Patriots will draft a QB in round 3 to 6 with the hope that they strike gold with another late bloomer.  Using a 1st or 2nd either in draft or trade this year will disrupt team chemistry and BB wants to win LIV.

Tom’s ego is going to force the Patriots to be without a quality QB the season after he is done. 


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Dolphster on February 13, 2019, 04:26:41 pm
Don’t see that happening.  Tom would throw a fit.  Patriots will draft a QB in round 3 to 6 with the hope that they strike gold with another late bloomer.  Using a 1st or 2nd either in draft or trade this year will disrupt team chemistry and BB wants to win LIV.

Tom’s ego is going to force the Patriots to be without a quality QB the season after he is done. 

With the magic touch that the Patriots seem to have, they probably WILL strike gold with a mid round QB draft pick that ends up lighting it up. 


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Sunstroke on February 14, 2019, 04:40:29 pm
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/11/as-not-giving-up-on-kyler-murray-which-could-complicate-his-nfl-prospects/

Even if his heart is in football, if the As offer more money than the team that drafts him, he could go back to listening to his parents.

Kyler Murray will be a first round pick, and baseball isn't going to outbid the NFL on a young QB.



Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Seafort on February 23, 2019, 05:24:32 pm
Absolutely not. Miami honestly needs to devote as many draft resources as possible to getting more offensive linemen (or perhaps a top rookie wide receiver if available). The focus in 2019 is not about winning.

It's about losing while simultaneously beginning to build a core of support for the quarterback that they should draft in 2020. Or even 2021.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: CF DolFan on February 25, 2019, 11:01:11 am
Absolutely not. Miami honestly needs to devote as many draft resources as possible to getting more offensive linemen (or perhaps a top rookie wide receiver if available). The focus in 2019 is not about winning.

It's about losing while simultaneously beginning to build a core of support for the quarterback that they should draft in 2020. Or even 2021.
That's the story coming out of Dolphin land but it doesn't sell papers. Interesting to see if they stick to that script.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Phishfan on February 25, 2019, 12:50:08 pm
I want Sunshine for the next QB


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Sunstroke on February 26, 2019, 09:10:44 am
I want Sunshine for the next QB

I'm a little too old to help this team, though if they need a designated nachos-eater, I'm up for the challenge.



Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 26, 2019, 09:29:56 am
I'm a little too old to help this team, though if they need a designated nachos-eater, I'm up for the challenge.


I want Sunshine for the next QB

Sunshine not Sunstroke.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 28, 2019, 11:18:01 am
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1101127892346568711?s=21 (https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1101127892346568711?s=21)

Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray measures in at 5-foot-10.1, 207 pounds.--Adam Schefter

1/2 an inch shorter and three pounds heavier than Russell Wilson when he was drafted.

Here's another article about it:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-combine-kyler-murray-surprises-with-height-weight-and-hand-size-reportedly-wont-throw/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-combine-kyler-murray-surprises-with-height-weight-and-hand-size-reportedly-wont-throw/)

Draft him, put it all on double zero!


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 28, 2019, 11:24:31 am
4/8 .. isn't that one half ?


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 28, 2019, 11:25:01 am
Fixed, I'm typing fast, give me a break!  lol


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 28, 2019, 02:31:44 pm
Well you can forget about the Dolphins drafting Murray at 13 now. He won't make it that far. Dolphins would have to move up to get him. Maybe the Dolphins should think about trading their pick(s) for Josh Rosen?


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 28, 2019, 02:35:21 pm
I wouldn't want them to move up for him, only if he drops to them.  I'll pass on Rosen.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 28, 2019, 02:37:02 pm
I wouldn't want them to move up for him, only if he drops to them.  I'll pass on Rosen.
If I could get Rosen for the 13th pick and maybe a late round pick or something, I'd do it in a heartbeat. He's a better prospect then Murray in my humble opinion, just didn't have much to work with last year and his stock is low right now. Buy low. Might have your franchise QB right there.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 28, 2019, 02:58:13 pm
I read on Reddit that the Patriots are thinking about acquiring Rosen from the Cardinals now. Beat them to the punch.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 28, 2019, 03:09:34 pm
I read on Reddit that the Patriots are thinking about acquiring Rosen from the Cardinals now. Beat them to the punch.

Would not be hard for Dollphins to out bid the Patriots.  13 vs 32.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: CF DolFan on February 28, 2019, 07:04:13 pm
The Dolphins don't want Rosen. He's the one QB they didn't bring in for a visit.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 28, 2019, 07:25:36 pm
The Dolphins don't want Rosen. He's the one QB they didn't bring in for a visit.

So the head coach of the Jets doesn’t like Rosen.  Flores and O’Shea read a different scouting report.  And Patriots are discussing trade for him.  So obviously the scouting report they read is quite favorable.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on March 01, 2019, 11:30:23 am
So the head coach of the Jets doesn’t like Rosen.  Flores and O’Shea read a different scouting report.  And Patriots are discussing trade for him.  So obviously the scouting report they read is quite favorable.
In addition to what Hoodie said, that can be a smoke screen. Sometimes you don't bring in a guy because you're already convinced and don't need to see anything more and don't want anyone else to know you are interested or perhaps don't believe he'll be available when you draft. Everything I read prior to him being drafted was favorable and I've read that if Rosen were drafted this year rather than last year, he'd be the top rated QB. The only thing working against Rosen is a a below average year for a rookie QB on a bad team. Didn't hurt Troy Aikman or Drew Brees to get off to a bad start. Now I'm not saying that Rosen will turn into one of those guys, I'm just saying that he might be easier to obtain then the top QB's in this years draft because his stock is low right now and the Dolphins are looking for a QB but don't want to overpay. The circumstances match up favorably. Doesn't mean it will pay off, but I say it's worth the risk.

As an aside, I personally don't think the Cardinals are going to trade Rosen nor do I think they are gonna pick Murray with the 1st pick because I'd rather have Rosen then Murray, but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Phishfan on March 01, 2019, 01:19:26 pm
The Dolphins are not making a move on any QB this year  End of the story.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 01, 2019, 01:28:02 pm
The Dolphins are not making a move on any QB this year  End of the story.

That's what they want you to think so they can draft Kyler Murray.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on March 01, 2019, 02:17:31 pm
The Dolphins are not making a move on any QB this year  End of the story.
Does that include Tannehill? You think he's playing for the Dolphins this year or you think they are going with Fales or someone like that?


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Phishfan on March 02, 2019, 09:48:42 am
Tannehill will be cut and our QB will be some jobber.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on March 14, 2019, 03:12:11 pm
This is interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/b146tz/watkins_rt_gil_brandt_while_a_good_portion_of_the/



Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 14, 2019, 03:54:29 pm
This is interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/b146tz/watkins_rt_gil_brandt_while_a_good_portion_of_the/



And with the 13th pick the Dolphins select Austin Seibert.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 14, 2019, 04:00:17 pm
There's talks that Dwayne Haskins might drop to us seeing as people are in love with Murray and teams are filling their QB spots.


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: Pappy13 on March 15, 2019, 04:24:59 pm
With 10 picks in 2020 Dolphins are in position to move up from #13 if they wanted to. Just sayin'.  ;D


Title: Re: Kyler Murray for QB?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 15, 2019, 04:27:45 pm
I am not sold on Murray, if he fell to us at 13 I would hope some team gives us a haul just to take our pick.