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Looks like the Patriots will be getting a new owner soon.   Robert Kraft was busted in a prostitution sting in Jupiter, FL.   

just had a warrant issued for his arrest in south florida. he's being charged with solicitation of prostitution by florida.

the rub here is that it's connected to a wider federal investigation into human trafficking and forced prostitution and these state charges come as a byproduct of related surveillance.

I merged the two threads.

Obviously this is not a good thing.  But it doesn’t rise to the level of reason to force him to sell the team.

Wealthy 77 year old man whose wife died a few years. ago hired a hooker while vacationing in Florida.  Along with about 100 others.

If they can make Donald Sterling sell his team for hate speech related remarks (which are heinous but no crime), then you don't think they'll force Kraft to sell his team?

By the way, Twitter is blowing up about this.   I'm seeing stuff like,

"Miami may have found a way to end New England's dynasty"

"Deflated balls get saggier in prison"

He's not selling the team lol.  Patriot fans will still go to games regardless, in fact no one cares if he was arrested for buying a hooker.  If no one cares, that means they'll still make $$$, so there is not reason for him to sell the team.

LOl ... he won't have to sell his team. In the whole scheme of things no one cares unless he turns out to be part of the human trafficking. The funny thing to me is they are saying he was a regular customer. He has a young blonde girlfriend but I guess he likes a little Asian once in a while. You'd think with his money they would be coming to him.  

^oh, I didn't think about that.  Yeah if it's a human trafficking ring, then he's done.  Not likely though.

Uh Oh .... 560 WQAM is saying other big names are involved. This may get much bigger!!  :o

I think prostitution should be legal between consenting adults, it should be licensed and regulated, much like nevada does it.

Human trafficking, however, is completely different, they should round up everyone involved and toss them in prison. Including the people that paid for sex with what are by all measure slaves. So if Kraft paid to have sex with victims of sex trafficking, then he needs to be in prison for a very long time.

I don't disagree with you. I get the moral issue but I'm not sure why paying for sex is illegal. Lot's of kept women who have to give up sex already. I think if it was regulated that there would be less trafficking and underage girls.

If you give an old man like him a ten year sentence, it's basically a life sentence

I'm going to assume that you've never actually been with a hooker, because there really isn't much of an interview process before you start bumping uglies. How in the world would Kraft ever be able to tell the difference between a normal prostitute and someone who is the victim of human trafficking? He can't! 

Now if the hooker slips him a note that says "my life is in danger from human traffickers, please help!" and he crumples up the note and gives the dog a bone anyway...sure, put him in jail. 

For what it's worth though, if I had Kraft's money, I'd never fuck anyone but a professional escort...and I'd have a standing order in for any fresh Asian talent that might come along.

Why would anyone think he will have to sell the team?   The guy will do ZERO jail time.  If the Dolphins were winning the Super Bowl every year, would any of you want Ross to sell the team because he rented some hoochy for an hour?   To me the bigger story is how could a guy that rich be such a cheap bastard that he goes to a Rub and Tug Parlor instead of some fine azz call girl?  

He may be forced to sell by the commish himself

1: He isn't selling the team.
2: At this level they are escorts, not hookers
3: Thanks Stroke,  I was going to jump all over the knowledge piece myself
4: I don't care. When I get his age I hope I can afford and still desire some professional loving

hahaha .... The commish works for the owners ... not the other way around.

Assuming reports are factual this is on par with what got Irsey a 6 game suspension and $500k fine.

I am realizing this might be a good thing..... Greatest coach in history - check.  Franchise QB - check.  12 draft picks in the up coming draft to reload leaving players- check.

The only thing missing was something to rally behind.  Something to convince the team it is us against the world.  Kraft will be suspended and won’t be able to attend the unveiling of the 6th SB banner, so the team will be on a mission to get him #7.  

Summary of results:

Loses Probowl 1st pick overall QB to injury, replacement is 6th round backup.  — win SB

Spygate - 16-0 in regular season

Deflategate - win SB LI

Edelman suspension - Edelman SB MVP

Kraft suspension - TBD

😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

can't do the time, don't do the crime


Willful disregard of the law doesn't absolve him .. replace slave "hooker" with 15 year old "hooker" and then tell me that kraft wouldn't be in piles of shit right now. Slavery is as abhorrent as you can get in my mind.

Crime he is being charged with carries a maximum sentence of 60 days.

Faux, willful disregard means he has knowledge and went forward. We are saying how would he know unless the person asked for help?

And the illegal drug trade funds terrorist organizations.  By the logic of some here, smoking a joint is the same thing as masterminding 9/11. 

Kraft is charged with a misdemeanor with a maximum of 60 days. He was a john not a pimp.

Bush didn't do 9/11, I did?  *Mind blown*

Agreed, with the stipulation that not all prostitutes are slaves.

Exactly.  As I said when it first broke, he will do ZERO jail time.  Any fine will be meaningless as to guys with this kind of money, any fine they give him will amount to a dinner bill.  A suspension is less than meaningless.  How many tackles or completed passes did he have last year?  Suspending an owner is a completely token gesture.  Zero jail and time and essentially zero punishment from the league.  The only pain he is going to feel from this is the expensive jewelry apology he is going to have to buy for his girlfriend. 

Right now, this is a medium deal.

If it turns out that Kraft had no knowledge or involvement in the trafficking thing, it becomes a small deal.
If it turns out that he did, it becomes a big deal.

He did seem very happy at the AFCCG.  Now we know it wasn’t just going to the super bowl.

Do you seriously believe that?   If the judge is a Dolphins fan, he'll throw the book at Kraft. 

If the DA doesn’t agree to a plea bargain of zero jail time, Kraft can choose simply to be banished from Florida.  It is a non-extridable offense.

Not everyone is like you.

Not really. Marijuana is not the same industry as other drugs anymore. That stuff is grown and produced locally and doesn't need smuggling.

I sure hope justice does not work like that in the USA, being a Dolphins fan should have absolutely nothing to do with it.

If a Judge is so biased because of such a relatively minor thing such as sporting allegiances, then the chance of a fair trial is fucked - and by extension the whole judicial system is then also fucked. That doesn't say much for the concept of genuine freedom in your country if such a situation can possibly exist...

OJ was found Not Guilty.  Anything can happen in the USA.   ;D

^ Yeah, but not because Judge Ito was a Bills fan.

Surprisingly, Judge Ito went to UCLA which is a rival of OJ's USC.   Judges don't find people guilty.  Juries do.   Judges simply pass sentences

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/19/robert-kraft-receives-conditional-offer-to-drop-florida-charges/

Never heard of an offer to drop in exchange for admitting guilt.  Is that a Florida thing?

Nope.   And I have a major problem with that in any criminal situation

It's more than that. It's more of an arbitration ... which is used in Florida. A relative just did something like this and had all charges dropped.  The criminal charges will go away if Kraft makes that admission, if he completes an education course about prostitution, if he performs 100 hours of community service, if he’s screened for STDs, and if he pays some of the court costs.  They weren't ever really going after the john's.

Seems like a good way to handle it for the Johns.....they get punished but on a job application or if trying to adopt a child they can answer, “no” to “have you ever been convicted of a sex crime”. 

They are saying Kraft won't accept the deal. I can't imagine he wants the video going public if it is as damaging as the police have reported. Outside of the 100 hours of community service ... I don't see what there is to complain about.

Rarely does someone take the first offer.   That doesn’t mean they won’t eventually settle.  He wants a seal on the evidence.  If I am in his shoes.....counter offfer - drop charges, no admission of guilt, video sealed, $100,000 donation to a charity that aids victims of human trafficking.....and then I negotiate the donation upwards. And can anyone really say that Kraft doing 100 hours of community service would benefit the victims more than a 6 or 7 figure check to a charity.   

Are you a Defense Atty?

no.

I am just saying what I would do in his shoes.  The guy is already pretty generous to charities, including to organizations that fight human trafficking.  I am confident he thought he was exchanging cash with someone who was of her own free will providing the handjob.

So in his shoes that is what I would offer.  I would then donate considerably more than than the formal agreement and continue to provide significant financial support to those organizations for the rest of my life and in my will, to restore the image as a humanitarian.

I agree with you Hoodie but I could see where someone would think that's essentially letting him off.  If many of us had to pay a fine it would be worse than community service because we don't have a lot of extra money. He's in almost the exact opposite position.

Last year, 2 kids I know got busted for public urination, both got the same offer - $250 fine or 10 hours community service.  The one with a full time job as an accountant paid the fine, the one that works part time at McD did community service. 

There are elements that are going to be unsatisfied with anything short of the death penalty.  Agreeing to pay $250k to a charity for victims of human trafficking and then turning around and writing a check for a million will get him into the good graces with *most*.

I think where your plan goes afield is that you think that the word "convicted" will be the verbiage choice on that questionnaire. ;)

Nope, you can’t ask if someone was arrested, charged, accused or punished only convicted. 

Does this get classified as a sex crime? I just think of other things when I hear that

Absolutely. It's illicit sexual activity. It won't make him a sexual predator but it is a sex crime.

Robert Kraft's lawyers say he is innocent but they don't want the video evidence released to the public. hahahahaha 

While none of this excuses Bob Kraft’s conduct, things are unraveling for the prosecution. 

What was originally billed as human trafficking has not resulted in any charges of human trafficking.  The police vastly exceeded terms of the warrant, so they probably won’t have any evidence against any of the Johns. And you have to wonder why Boston sports reporters in Florida to cover the Red Sox knew to be at the initial press conference, if in fact this was about human trafficking and not embarrassing one particular John.

^^^ come on Hoodie, that isn't hard to explain. The media is alerted ahead of time for a press conference otherwise no one would show and it would need to be renamed.

True.  But unless someone went specifically out their way Boston sports media doesn’t show up for a local police matter, Florida local crime beat shows up, not Red Sox beat reporters.  Ergo, this wasn’t about a sting on a human trafficking operation, cops were more interested in getting their name in the paper than crime fighting.

It's going to be a train wreck. No one wants to see it but everyone will have to look!! hahahaha

Prosecutors in Florida said Wednesday that they plan to release surveillance video of Patriots owner Robert Kraft allegedly paying for sex at a massage parlor in January.

Via John R. Ellement of the Boston Globe, court papers submitted by Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg indicate a belief that the prosecution “is obligated under Florida law to provide the video to the public” in connection with the criminal case against the two women who are accused of owning and operating a prostitution ring.

The prosecution claims that, “as the custodian of the records, [it] cannot delay the release of records to allow a person to raise a constitutional challenge to the release of the documents,” adding that �

^^^^^. In case anyone wasn’t sure if this was about fighting human trafficking or embarrassing one particular person.

I can’t think of a single incident where the prosecutor released video like this.  You are literally proactively taking steps to disqualify large segments of the jury pool.  While it is doubtful to cost him any votes, it is a serious violation of this ethical standards.  Any release prior to trial or resolution undermines a fair trial.

I don't buy it. I think they are more going against people with money who think they are above the law. I'm pretty sure no one forced Kraft to break the law and definitely didn't tell him not to accept a plea bargain. The truth is he thinks he is bigger than the situation and it looks like he is not.

What he did was unquestionably wrong.  Kraft doesn’t have my sympathies.

But the DA is not acting in good faith.  Exceeds the plain language of the warrant.  Tips off Red Sox beat reporters to maximize coverage, claims human trafficking despite having no evidence to increase coverage, now he is saying he plans to publicly release the video before the judge determines if is admissible.  He isn’t seeking justice he is trying to secure an advance on a tell all book.

As much as I hate the the Patriots, I really don't care about this story.  If I'm an old, single rich guy, I'm probably doing the same thing.

I don't necessarily disagree although I do find it interesting the DA isn't just rolling over after they rejected the plea deal.

Judge has ruled blocking the release. 

They were discussing this with someone out of Boston this morning on the Joe Rose show. I didn't catch who it was but they said the biggest reason that Kraft is trying to block the videos was to keep it out of the hands of the NFL. He said the NFL and what the other owners could encourage Goodell to do is really the only thing that concerns him. He's already embarrassed and no amount of fine is going to hurt him. Keeping him from his team would break his heart.

^^^^Most of that is speculative but I do agree an NFL suspension would be worse for him than a fine.  Which gives him an incentive to stall. Odds are he is looking at 4 to 8 games, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he agrees to a deal right after the Steelers game, so he can be present for the banner raising then have the NFL dole out punishment and be back with the team before the post season.

He should be banned from the league.   If Donald Sterling can get banned for racist remarks, this guy should be banned as well.   

no .. not the same .. not even close .. it looks like kraft just got some services from a sex worker without ties to human trafficking .. it's illegal .. he should chin up and take his punishment and be done with it

This is not in the same class as Sterling.  This isn't even quite as bad as Jim Irsay's driving under the influence which endangered the lives of others.     

What is society coming to?   You can't even get a rub and tug without having to take in a questionnaire in triplicate asking the girl if she is there of her own free will, does her employer provide health benefits, etc. etc. 

Not to defend the behavior of either one. What Kraft did was illegal, but what Sterling did wasn't illegal. So to be clear, are both of you are saying that being secretly recorded as a racist asshole should be punished more harshly than actual illegal activity?

You didn't get the memo? It's now more important to be politically correct than to follow the laws. Being an asshole is much worse than being a criminal.

Swish.

We could add that Jussie Smollett douchebag criminal to the discussion. He would fit right in. The new US of A, where the criminals walk free and the assholes with different opinions or views get punished.

actually a business owner who bars people from his establishment based on race is violating federal law.  So yes he did violate the law with that comment.  

However, he was forced to sell the business because allowing him to own it would be detrimental to the league. Being a racist asshole is inconsistent with marketing a product in which the majority of consumers are minorities.  His own team was considering boycotting playing.  Due to the revenue sharing model of the NBA allowing the Sterling to continue to own the team would have cost all the owners millions of dollars.  Sterling was forced out for the same reason John Schnatter was forced out of Papa Johns, allowing a racist to be the image of the company is bad business.  The vast majority of Clipper fans wanted the ban.  

Neither Irsay nor Kraft behavior costs the league money.  Yeah, there were a few isolated protests by MADD against Irsay and a few women's groups upset at Kraft, but players aren't protesting nor is the fan base that purchases Patriots branded merchandise or tickets.

I had a very long detailed response typed up, but frankly I have better things to do that get sucked down into the liberal politically correct rabbit hole. We'll just disagree👍

it isn't a liberal PC argument at all .. it's a purely capitalist Ayn Rand argument. Sterling was costing his partners in the league money so they kicked him out. Kraft won't .. so he won't get anything other than a slap on the wrist, if that.

So again, you're position is that being secretly recorded being an asshole is worse than actual illegal activity?

I'll spell out my opinions for you.

Morally .. being a racist is worse than paying for a handy in this case
Ethically .. being a racist is worse than paying for a handy in this case.
Legally .. being a racist isn't worse than paying for a handy in this case.
Financially .. being a racist is WAY worse than paying for a handy. And this is what gets your NBA team sold out from under you, not any of the other stuff.

Both were secretly recorded.  Both are illegal.  Business owners are not allowed to ban people based on race.

I would tend to agree. However, morals and ethics are subjective and a personal matter which are unique to everyone. So that's a moot point.

Correct, you got one right.

Most people aren't rich and don't own professional sports teams. Most racists don't and won't suffer financially. Especially when they're baited into controversial conversation and secretly recorded, so it's a moot point also.

Schnatter needed to be forced out anyway, simply for calling the shit he serves pizza. 

I'm just going to leave this here...

https://blacksportsonline.com/2019/05/cop-on-how-robert-kraft-liked-fingers-in-his-butt-during-asian-spa-massage-details-on-if-sex-tapes-are-still-coming-out-court-docs-vids/ (https://blacksportsonline.com/2019/05/cop-on-how-robert-kraft-liked-fingers-in-his-butt-during-asian-spa-massage-details-on-if-sex-tapes-are-still-coming-out-court-docs-vids/)

Amen to this...


I haven't even clicked on the link yet...just the wording of that URL has had me laughing for a full five minutes now.

LOL, I don't think you need to even click on it, you get the gist.

I'm sure we've all had Asian fingers up our butt at a spa at least a few times during our lives.  So who are we to cast judgement? 

I'm proud to say that I've never had that experience.

Nope, not once. Now I was with this French girl one time and  ...  ;)

You'd have to change your name to stinkfinger

What about a 200 lb Russian girl named Olga fisting your prostate?

sign me up for Olga.

Pretty sure his Asian masseuse is the one getting the gist...and a bit of stinky on the pinky as well. ;)

Sure, but the liberals are going to charge you with collusion and bowel obstruction. After all, it is the Russians you know, LMFAO......

Well, the case against him is over now.

The judge ruled that the video cannot be used.

Honestly, I just want him to tell the truth. 

Something stinks here and it aint that girl's fingers after probing Kraft's ass.

 Edited because I wasn't clear the way I phrased it at first.    Why in the world would Kraft tell the truth?   He is going to skate on this so it would make no sense for him to tell the truth. 

I just wanted to see some old hobbit porn...

He said Kraft had an expectation of privacy in the spa. If that's legit then they are basically making prostitution legal because they will never have witnesses outside of a cop if they let it happen to them.

It isn't like Kraft is going to suffer either way but this story does seem to be a case of the "haves" being able to get away with things the "have-nots" can't get away with.

Not exactly.  He had expectation of privacy therefore in order for there to be recording the cops must honestly and properly seek a search warrant.  Police were dishonest in their application of the sw, therefore it is invalid.  While many will bemoan the exclusionary rule, because it excludes otherwise valuable evidence it is literally the only thing preventing the police from completely ignoring the 4th and 5th amendments.

My bad, I should have been more specific.  I meant why would Kraft tell the truth.  The guy is going to skate so why would he tell the truth? 

This is the sum total of what he has said....


He didn’t say much.  So basically you are saying he is lying about being sorry.

I'm sure he is sorry that he got caught.