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Not like we didn't see this coming. The dolphins also have more open spots on their roster than any other team which means they will fill those voids with undrafted players. They have 58 signed and that's including the practice players and teams typically start with 90 players to begin the pre-season. Yep ... we are tanking ... hahaha.

The Dolphins, who were dead last in the rankings, recently signed 36-year-old veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick after trading away former starter Ryan Tannehill to the Tennessee Titans. Luke Falk and Jake Rudock — who have a combined five career passing attempts in the NFL — are the only other quarterbacks on the roster.

"Bad intentionally, but in a lovable way," Orr said of Fitzpatrick. “Fitzpatrick is a blast to watch, he costs about as much as Tyrod Taylor and is wonderful in the locker room. The perfect bridge to Miami's next era."

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-si-worst-qbs-20190402-story.html

This list is flawed. 

I am not saying the Dolphins QB situation is good.  I agree it is terrible.

But NE is number #1?  Yes, Tom Brady is arguably the greatest QB of all time.  And NE just won the SB.  But having a 41 year old QB and the 32nd pick is NOT the best situation going forward.  KC should be ranked number 1, and Rams #2. 

If you are ranking what the QBs have accomplished then yeah, NE is number one.  But the GB, Pitt, Saints, and Giants should be ranked higher then they are.

but tom brady is a cyborg from the future made to throw footballs .. he'll be playing QB till he's 55 hopefully

What makes Brady such a good player, in terms of ranking a team's situation is that he's an upper-tier guy at a huge discount.

I am actually upset we got Fitzpatrick because I think he is too good for our hopeful 0-16 season and can get us a few wins here and there. I know the total package is garbage, but there aren't any teams with worse starters than Ryan?

That is true.  When comparing his skill set to his price he is a great value when compared to many other *veterans*

But I would argue that Patrick Mahone is a better value at $4.5 million than Brady at $27 million.  Hence teams that have high quality QB still on their rookie contact should be at the top of this list.

     I don' agree with that statement that Miami has the worst QB situation. As or right now there are so many other teams that have a worse starting QB than Fitzpatrick. On top of that, all the options are open for them, they're not committed long term to anyone so that's def B.S in my opinion.
     I would argue Redskins are worse, they dont have a starting QB for the future with Alex Smith's health being a big concern and they have millions of dollars tied up to him and he's not even gonna play in 2019 as of right now. He may be done all together, at least with Redskins. Bengals, all they got is Dalton who's been similar to Tannehill as far as putting his team on his back and carry them to the playoffs. Another team is the Giants, Eli has been overrated his entire career in my opinion and has played below average last several years with also bunch of money tied up to him. You can also throw oher teams into the mix like the Broncos, who have a starting QB currently on the roster but his performance or future with the team is up in the air. And we still gotta see how 2nd year QBs will perform in 2019 like Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Jackson....yea there's def potential for upside but its only been one season. Miami is in good situation with a good veteran QB and options open for 2019 or beyond.

Brady has a sugar momma, he's not the main bread winner in his family.   ;)

They also have them ranked dead last in the RB situation ... which i find hard to believe.

32. Miami Dolphins, $2.9 / $121.3 million

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Drake is heading into year four of his NFL career, with a 644 yard, three touchdown season and a 535 yard, four touchdown season under his belt. Kalen Ballage has upside as a bigger change of pace back and gained more than five yards a carry last season, but the Dolphins round out our list in last place.

Forgot about the Giants. Eli has been trash for awhile now and is massively overpaid. Yet, despite his age they have no replacement lined up and don't even appear to be drafting a QB this season.

I hope they do as that is one less team drafting QBs next season but as of now I would call their situation worse.

They're gonna Tank for Tua next year.   

I am now hoping Miami’s week 17 matchup is at NYG, with both teams 0-15, so I can watch both fan bases debate whether joining the Bucs and Lions is worth the first overall pick.

Anyone who thinks winning 1 meaningless game in Week 17 is better than drafting a franchise QB is a fool.

So it begins.......

Explain why you can't do both?

Because without the first overall pick you have no shot at drafting super stars like JaMarcus Russel or Tim Couch and might get stuck drafting a bum like Tom Brady or Joe Montana.

Hey, Tim Couch once threw a screen pass that went for 6 yards!

You can do both, but it's a lot easier to do so with the #1 overall pick than the #2 overall pick when the team ahead of you is going to draft the QB that you wanted.

In the very unlikely event we are both 0-15 and face the Giants for the final game, I just don't see how any Dolphins fan can cheer for us to win. You are directly rooting against your team's best interests for the next decade.

A LOT easier? Or maybe just a bit easier? Let's say both teams take a QB next year. What are the odds that one or the other turns out to be a franchise QB? Maybe 20%? Course it's nice to have your pick of the litter but the chances that you pick a franchise QB with the 1st overall pick aren't all that great. There's not even a QB taken 1st overall every year. There's been a few and a few of them turned out to be franchise QB's but the odds aren't that great. Do the odds really go down that much if you take the 2nd available QB? It's also an assumption that the Giants would take a QB with the 1st overall pick, they could take someone else or trade down for more picks, get a QB in a trade or something etc. You never know what's going to happen.

Having said all that, yeah I would prefer the top pick over a 1 win season...but not by a great deal. I wouldn't be devastated if they won their last game to go 1-15 and lose the top pick. Not at all.

Guess it all depends on your thoughts of Tua. As of now, he is going #1. Maybe that changes between now and the 2020 draft but he is the consensus #1 pick and QB right now.

Last time we had such a situation where everyone wanted to suck for luck.  The best QB of the drafted didn’t go first or second, he was drafted midway thru the third.

I think if you ask most people they would still take Luck over Wilson .... and I like Wilson. Luck has played for crap teams while Wilson has had the benefit of some great teams.

Luck > Wilson.  Wilson had one of the all time best defenses.

I can.

Going 0-16 guarantees you membership in a select group of infamous clowns, but does NOT guarantee that the QB you draft will be any good.  The biggest can't-miss prospect in my NFL lifetime was Andrew Luck, and even he hasn't been worth the absolute disgrace of 0-16 (given his zero Super Bowl appearances so far).

The Dolphins are not the Bengals or the Titans: teams that have never won anything.  They have two Lombardi trophies and a Perfect Season already.  I can't see anything short of 3 Super Bowl wins as being worth going 0-16.

Edgecrusher, were you disappointed when the Dolphins won that one game in 2007?

I was.  😈

So as you mentioned there's a lot that can change between now and then and of course being the consensus #1 pick means absolutely zero. So what I'm saying is that nothing is a sure bet. Would I rather have the #1 pick then the #2 pick, yes. Will it make any difference? That can only be determined after letting both the #1 and #2 pick career's play out.

history shows that you can find a great QB in many rounds but we have failed to do it that way for 30 years. The last player that most critics were "sure" about was Luck and he has proven to be the real deal. Tua is in that same high odds position. Everyone else this year and after Tua in the next draft (assuming nothing changes) are considered possibilities but your odds are much better with Tua panning out. The odds on Trevor Lawrence are incredibly high too but he is two years away.   

Since Miami has failed so badly for so long they need to do whatever it takes to increase those odds to the best possible. They simply cannot afford another QB bust.

I don't think it all has to do with the actual pick. There are many high draft picks that were supposed to be sure things that wound up as busts and washed out rather quickly. I think the bigger thing with draft picks being successful or not is the coaching, development, supporting cast, and tools you give them to succeed.

I honestly don't remember. I think I was happy when it happened and I remember the old owner crying.

The Lions have gone 0-16 since so we wouldn't go into the history books as the only winless team. Because of that, I don't think 1-15 or 0-16 matters, especially when it comes to getting your Franchise QB. Nothing that happens this season is more important than the future. If we could legally forfeit every game this year and not be punished by the league and sued by the fans, I would do it. Just so everyone knows where I stand on this upcoming season and the 2020 draft.

My concern about sucking or tanking for the #1 hot prospect that is lights out in college and is on the top of everyone’s wish list is that what if he in reality is another John Manziel or Ryan Leaf? I wonder if it would be better to play well enough to attract a top well established free agent that has proven himself to be a winner, or to become an attractive trade destination for a top notch guy.

I think an even larger problem is you don’t create a winning culture by tanking, you create a culture of losing and not caring.

That too. Good point.

Agreed, but there is a difference between a 5 win team playing disappointing and only winning 2 games and a legit 1-2 win team only winning 1-2 games. We are raiding the AAF so we are a legit 1-2 win team. After this season where God willing we go no better than 1-15, we have the draft picks and cap space to jump right up to 7-9 wins if we are smart. So, that losing culture would go away very quickly.

Once you are out of the playoff race, players will stop carrying and develop poor work habits; if that happens in December very good chance you can turn that around next year.  But if the culture in the locker room this year starting during training camp is we don’t have a chance this year, the season long bad habits won’t be easy to change next year.

No one is tanking. They are playing to win and that's why they brought in Fitzpatrick. Unfortunately the team will have so many holes that it isn't expected to be very competitive.

Rather than start a new thread for such a small blip, I'll post this here.

Josh Rosen has unfollowed the Cardinals on all forms of social media. I know it seems ridiculous but it's pretty clear that he will be traded soon and his reaction to that is incredibly childish. Yeah, the Cardinals screwed this up every which way but this is a grown man acting like a 14 year old on Instagram.

I didn't really want him before and I certainly don't want him now. We have leaders and high character people like Mikah and Wilkins, let's not add a cancer just because the price is right. Fitz is a great bridge QB who also has a good rep. I would much rather have him teach Tua the ropes than sit for this asshole who probably wouldn't listen to him anyway.

Maybe he just doesn't want to read anything about the trade rumors that are swirling. Can't say that I blame him.

ProFootballTalk says we are close to acquiring him for our 2nd rounder this year.

I don't like this at all. We just signed Fitzpatrick, now he is a backup? Can't trade for Rosen and sit him a year, eh has to play the whole year. A 2nd rounder is way too high of a price to pay for this guy, I soured on a 3rd rounder as well. We really can't say that if he doesn't work out then we will just draft a QB in 2020 because we gave up a 2nd rounder for him, that's a steep price for a team that has holes all over the field.

I hope this falls through.

I don’t see this as a big issue.  If he wasn’t pissed off today, I would be concerned.  Probably a good idea not to follow them, then all day get notifications about the latest Murray highlight film.  

If a team feels he could be a long term solution he is worth perusing, but if the Dolphins trade for him, it should be to have him start, with Fitz as back up.  If you don’t think he is better than Fitz don’t trade for him.

The trade is speculation and you already have him replacing Fitzpatrick as the starter? Geez, come down off the ledge. It's gonna be alright, really it is.

if you don’t think he is better thab fitz why trade for him?

^He was a top 10 pick a year ago, he'll likely be better than Fitz at one point, but not right away. 

How about we have them both compete for the job? Something wrong with that approach? Then if one goes down you have someone with at least some NFL experience playing QB and not joe shmoe. Unless of course that's your "plan" right there. Nice plan.

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1121572071220363266?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1121572071220363266?s=20)

Josh Rosen now becomes the best financial bargain in the NFL. Cardinals paid the bonus ($11 million); new team would get him for $6 million over three years plus a team option. Incredible value. #NFLDraft2019

$6 million over 3 years for a potential franchise QB.  2nd rounder is not too steep for that.

...but on the other hand...

https://twitter.com/MattyInfante/status/1121845061879312384 (https://twitter.com/MattyInfante/status/1121845061879312384)

So @RapSheet just said on NFL Network that a Josh Rosen trade "is not close." @MikeGarafolo says the Dolphins feel a second round pick "is too high of a price" and the deal "is definitely not on the verge of being done." Deep breath, everyone.

Maybe this is what Miami was wanting AZ to "pitch in" for their 2nd rounder?

1) There is no other team bidding for him, so we are bidding against ourselves. In that case, 3rd rounder max. Call their bluff, they won't let this guy sulk on their team all year and only be worth a 6th rounder in 2020 if they try to trade him again.
2) Of course he replaces Fitzpatrick as starter, he isn't a rookie. He started all last year, how can he get better by sitting out a season after playing in his rookie year? Besides, why trade for a guy if you don't think he is better?
3) We have too many holes and the best shot right now at Tua in 2020. What do you do if Rosen has a better but still mediocre season in 2019, not draft a QB in 2020?

Just not worth it.

1) There are other teams interested. They are just not tipping their hand yet.
2) As I said even if he's the starter, Fitzpatrick becomes the backup in case of injury and an excellent mentor to Rosen. You WANT an experienced backup QB for your young QB. Unless of course your "plan" is to get the 1st pick in the draft the following year.
3) 1 draft pick doesn't change that. If Rosen has a GREAT year in 2019, that's the best possible scenario because now you don't have to use your 1st round pick on a QB in 2020. If he's just so-so then you still can or you can field all those calls about your high first round pick and maybe turn it into a couple more picks and try to fill a few more holes. Your choice.

I'm not against Rosen having a great year and becoming the franchise QB going forward, I just think it's unlikely and a 2nd rounder in a loaded draft is a hell of a price to pay with no other visible suitors. Imagine trading a 2nd rounder for him and he is absolute trash and replaced by Fitzpatrick in Week 8. How awful would this trade be?

Maybe we can do a conditional pick where if he starts 12 games it becomes a 2020 2nd rounder but less than that is a 3rd or something along those lines. Tannenbaum would give up a 2nd no questions asked, let's see how good our GM is with negotiating.

I certainly hope we do not give up very much for him. The biggest knock on him is that many of his teammates do not like him. That started in college and rumor has it that they don't like him in Arizona either. He apparently has a rich kid entitled attitude and a condescending mindset. Oh yes ... and he wore an F Trump hat too so there is that. hahaha

Word on the street is that he unfollowed the Cards on Instagram when they drafted the new guy.  I find that a sign of immaturity.

I think the best way to handle it is to say "Thanks to the Arizona Cardinals and all of the fans.  I wish them the best and am excited for my new opportunity."  ...even though it's bullshit, it's just way less drama to deal with.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1121880288500436992?s=19 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1121880288500436992?s=19)

My understanding is that the #Cardinals & #Dolphins have been "in communication periodically" on potentially trading QB Josh Rosen. I'm told ARZ asked for a 1st round pick, dolphins declined, thinking more 3rd or 4th. Talks will resume, per source. Right now, somewhat far apart.

Both sides are off the mark.  He is worth a second.

he's worth whatever a team will give them for him .. and doesn't look like a team is giving a 2nd so he isn't worth a 2nd

We have traded the 2nd rounder we got from the Saints for Rosen per ESPN.

So, Rosen better kill it this year or we just flushed a 2nd rounder AND Fitzpatrick's backup salary down the toilet.

Actually we picked up a 2nd rounder next year in the process as well. Slam dunk. Griier is starting to make me a believer.

Yeah, we turned our 2nd rounder this year into Rosen and a 2nd rounder next year. Minor draft picks at later rounds aside.

The pedigree for Rosen is there, he is a legit Top 10 talent but everyone says he is an asshole and his rookie season sucked. So, he needs a major attitude change and the REAL risk is that he either has to be total garbage or an MVP this season because we will have a decision to make with Tua. The worst thing Rosen can do is be like Tannehil in that he doesn't suck but isn't amazing either.

Also, sucks to be Ryan Fitzpatrick right now.

Sports Illustrated can go ahead and pencil in the Dolphins for the worst QB situation in the NFL for about the next 5 years now. 

There is no downside here. Every NFL team NEEDS 2 QB's. The Dolphins had 1, now they have 2. This was NEEDED. One of them will start and the other will back him up and play if the starter is hurt which with our OL is a good possibility. All this does is give them more options for next year. If Rosen turns out to be something great then you saved your 1st round pick next year for another position, if not then take your shot again next year, you have lost NOTHING. We got Rosen for essentially nothing. This was a brilliant move. The Dolphins are having one of the best drafts in the NFL for a change.

I agree with a lot of this but my problem is how can we really judge how Rosen is this season when we have zero talent around him? If we can't make a proper decision, how could we draft Tua in 2020? We will need to be 100% sure that either Rosen is the future or he is trash in what amounts to a lost season.

God forbid we pass on Tua in 2020 for Rosen and he turns out to be total garbage, we would never live that down.

They lost the possibility of being able to use their 2nd round pick this year on any of the large number of guys still on the board who could have been difference makers on the team.  Specifically the Center that the Saints took with the Fins 2nd round pick.  He is going to be an outstanding Center in the NFL and the Fins could have really used him.  And now the Dolphins have a mediocre veteran QB and a 2nd year guy who will join the long list of 1st round QB busts throughout history. 

I think the consensus is that if Rosen doesn't work out then this was a really terrible trade. However, if he bcomes a legit franchise QB then it is the steal of the century.

No middle ground here, a HR or strike out to end the World Series.

So who starts the season at QB? And what are they going to do next year if they’re in position to draft Tua?

This is why I didn't want to do this trade. Rosen obviously starts, that's not even a question. He doesn't need to hold a clipboard, he started last year so he has to start this year. Fitzpatrick is just a journeyman, he can't block anyone and we aren't winning anything in 2019.

The problem is how can you accurately evaluate a QB in a lost season with no talent around him? And you need to have a definitive answer too because if we can draft Tua in 2020, you better make sure you are right if you draft or pass up on him.

Nah, the consensus is that this was a smart move regardless if Rosen works out or not. It's a low risk, high reward move and those are always the right thing to do especially when you are rebuilding.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/top-takeaways-from-day-2-of-the-2019-nfl-draft/ar-BBWl8ax?li=BBnb7Kz

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/26611021/josh-rosen-traded-miami-barnwell-explains-why-a-steal

You're crazy if you don't think Fitz starts the season.  He's here so whatever QB we have can sit and watch for a year.  That's not to say a QB switch won't happen later in the year, but to start it'll be Fitz.

Now 3 AFCE teams have QBs drafted top ten in 2018.  For perspective they were toddlers when Brady was drafted.

Yeah, totally immature only a little boy would react by unfriending the team on facebook.  He needs to act like a real man, like Ryan Griffin and punch a hotel window. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/27/reports-texans-ryan-griffin-arrested-near-nfl-draft/

Maybe Tnk for Tua just became suck it for Sunshine? 2021 baby!!

The truth is none of us know how this will work out. Hell ... most of us nearly had a stroke when we passed on Brady Quinn and we know how that turned out. I don’t like the trade for a few reasons but am willing to wait it out before bitching too much. For that matter it’s really hard to make a decision because none of us know what the plan is with him to begin with.

That's only in place if we just drafted a QB, Rosen is not a rookie. He started all last season and can't learn anything by sitting out. We didn't trade for him to have him backup a 36 year old, he is here to start and see if he is the franchise QB. Not saying he won't be replaced by Ryan at some point if he is garbage but he is the starter Week 1 guaranteed.

Does this meet your minimum requirements?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwxXNb-g8Wr/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=b4kfa40475f3

He's 21-22 years old and played some games at the biggest dumpster fire in the NFL.  If you don't think there's a possibility he's sitting, and the benefits of that, I have to question your football knowledge.  

Trade Fitz? 

Cutting him makes no sense as it will just result in 7 million in dead money.  But trading him will result in saving 1.5 million with 4 million dead money.  And while he doesn’t have huge trade value being he would only cost the new team $1.5 million he could be a decent deal for a cash strapped team. 

More proof that Josh Rosen is unprofessional for unfollowing AZ.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/josh-rosen-gets-standing-ovation-at-larry-fitzgeralds-softball-game/