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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/evangelical-christians-face-deepening-crisis/593353/

That was a fascinating article.

As an atheist, I see the "mainstream" churches in the US and their dabbling in politics and I can't help but feel like they are spreading and are inherently evil. So good job churches, way to go.

Trump is the least religious president in generations.  The last president that actually followed the tenants of Jesus was Jimmy Carter. 

Silly article written by someone who probably believes it's ok to kill babies.  The points are so stupid. Trump is evil because he cheated on his wife and then paid hush money to a hooker. First ... no one elected him because he led a moral life. If that is the only what Christians should see then they would never vote. Secondly if you ever get around to reading the Bible you will see that God uses some of the biggest sinners of the bible to do His will. Paul hunted and horribly killed Christians and then became the largest author of the New Testament. Trump helps the Christian agenda much more than any liberal I've seen so that's what most Christians are voting for. Not him or his untarnished reputation. 

Trump is evil because he rapes children.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/310835987/Donald-Trump-Lawsuit

If he did then he would be. Why would you say that? According to court documents filed by a lawyer representing three of Epstein’s alleged victims, Trump banned his former friend from Mar-a-Lago because he “sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.”

Doesn't sound like someone who is condoning raping little girls.

edited to add ... the lawsuit against him was dropped. Kavanough was accused too and it seems like most people now agree he didn't do anything wrong. I know it shouldn't be this way but it's hard to take any charges too seriously until facts come out these days. People are always looking for a way to make an easy buck.

from what I've read the problem Trump had was the "at the club" part .. not the "sexually assaulted an underage girl" part.. and for the record .. an underage girl is a child .. not an underage girl

And the suit was dropped if i read correctly because they were receiving death threats that only escalated after he won the election. I wonder why they didn't believe they'd get a fair shake against a powerful millionaire.

Also the latest of Trumps rape victims has documented accounts and contemporaneous proof of his assault but it's been normalized and not followed up on. I saw a report yesterday that only 14% of americans are even aware that someone has come out with proof of trump having raped her.

There are reports of trump sexually assaulting women, there are multiple reports of it.. he's confessed to it on tape and yet people don't believe that's happened.  When someone tells you who they are .. you should believe them.

I'll just say this. If evidence comes out against him I'll definitely not back him. If the evidence is similar to the Kavanaugh case it won't affect me.

Bullshit.

If the audio tape of him talking to Billy Bush and his own admission that he would go into the pageant dressing room to voyeur women, isn’t enough to convince you he is a sexual predator, nothing will.

I find it funny that liberals have no problem thinking Trump diddles underage girls, but you mention a Clinton death squad and you're a conspiracy theorist.  There is more of a case for a death squad then there is for any of the stuff Trump is accused of.  At the very least, it's on par.  Point being, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

No evidence of Clinton death squads.  But Trump has bragged about being a sexual predator multiple times.  I do not know if his being a sexual predator extends to minors or not.  But that he is an unabashed sexual predator is supported by his own statements.

I think we all remember the time when Hillary Clinton was caught on tape bragging about how easy it is to have people killed, and then all us leftists said, "I don't vote for politicians because they are moral, so if Hillary Clinton will make sure that everyone can get an abortion at any time, I literally don't care about anything else."

The reason why the right takes so much flak for supporting an obviously immoral man is that you frequently use morality as your go-to explanations for all sorts of laws you insist must be imposed on others.  Yet Trump won the GOP nomination over many other more-morally-sound candidates who have been anti-abortion their whole lives, and who aren't on their third wives.  Why?  Because Trump was willing to ban Muslims and build a wall to keep brown people out, and the others weren't.  That's the REAL morality of the right.

If those brown people aren't US citizens then they need to be kept out. Also for future reference, keep out the non US citizen ultra bright white Canadians, Europeans, and yellow Asians. Maybe just say we're full and close the border all together. Thanks.

If being highly moral was somehow an enforceable mandatory qualification for the presidency, we probably would not have had a president since Lincoln.

Carter was moral, so was Eisenhower .. i suspect Ford was too

You don't know that they were moral any more than I know that they were not moral.  It is mere conjecture on the part of both of us.  And my comment about Lincoln being the last moral president was kind of made in jest.  Sort of. 

By your reasoning you don't know if anyone is moral ever. so why even bring it up? You make judgments based on their actions before during and after their presidency and records both public and stuff that's come out after it's been declassified.

Trump is evil...and anyone that doesn't see right past his con is supporting that evil, regardless of your intentions.

Sorry, folks...

Do you really think Trump is anymore evil than the Clintons?  I would say the Clintons are more evil, they're just better at hiding it from the general public.  When people on the left can admit they are pieces of shit, you might have more people admit Trump is too.

wtf? Lol. Death squad? Oh boy. I bet you think the Earth is flat too.

At this point, the idiots supporting Trump won't change their mind for anything. He could walk down into one of his rallies, shoot one of y'all, and everyone would say they didn't see a thing, or he didn't mean it. Y'all are too stupid to see it.

^Why don't you lay off the personal attacks and not be a smug jerk?  Not everyone is grouped into just a diehard Trump supporter or just a delusional Trump hater, I wouldn't recommend anyone be that extreme.

I brought up Clinton Death squad because that has just as much proof as Trump being a child diddler, or Kavanaugh raping that lady, which a few on this site are 100% convinced happen with no proof.  Thus the, have your cake and eat it too comment.  I see you like to use childish insults in an effort to diminish other's arguments by bringing down their character though.  That's stereotypical far left liberal behavior, so I should know better.  Shame on me.  Should I expect comments on how we should switch to communism next?

that's just false, there's infinity more proof of that than there is of the hillary ninja death squads ..

one has sworn testimony along with corroborating witnesses .. the other has russian propaganda setting up conspiracy theories like pizzagate and the seth rich thing .. also proven to be russian plants .. so lets compare apples and apples ..

clinton cheated on his wife .. had sex with an intern on the intrepid desk and has a few #metoo momemts probably .. trump has been accused literally dozens of times of either rape or sexual assault  .. brags about it on tape .. brags about it to howard stern .. cages children .. not even close .. not even close to close.

what you said is a textbook example of a false equivalency

^You're going to act like Clinton wasn't best buddies with Epstein, even more so than Trump huh?

i don't care that either was friends with epstein .. i'm going with what actions they took .. i don't see a 13 year old accusing clinton of rape .. i see a 13 year old accusing trump of rape ..

i'm very open to the possibility that both trump and clinton a human pieces of garbage .. but right now that only applies to trump

That's all I ask, I'm under the impression that most people that have or are leading our country are human pieces of garbage, and the younger politicians coming up like AOC and Omar are sick of it.  They are extremely misguided on the solution though, which might be worse. 

i see them seeing how government works in successful countries and then trying to duplicate this in the US .. i don't see how that's crazy ..

Perhaps you forgot about these victims of Bill Clinton:

*Juanita Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her in 1978.
*Leslie Millwee accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1980.
*Paula Jones accused Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 as well as sexually harassing her.
*Kathleen Willey accused Clinton of groping her without her consent in 1993.

If we're supposed to believe the victims like the liberals contend. Then it seems like the hypocrisy is strong on this one, LMAO....


Not according to some government officials that were around when Obama was in the White House. The same shit was happening during the Obama regime. More liberal crybaby hypocrisy.



said Thomas Homan, who was Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In 2015, he was given a Presidential Rank Award as a Distinguished Executive.

Which "successful countries" are everyone leaving the US to go to? I'm totally clueless about this even though tons of people threatened to leave.  Contrary to that I have two friends that went through naturalization this past year. One is from Australia and one from Mexico. News flash .... they both are supporting Trump.  

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This will lead into a discussion about the importance of national debt, which has been discussed ad nauseam.

But we can just print a single $25 Trillion bill and pay it all off in the time it takes to print the bill, LMFAO....

I bring it up because it is fun to spin up thin skinned, easily butt hurt snowflake pussies. 

our currency is fiat .. it's backed by nothing tangible .. therefore debt is nothing tangible .. that being said medicare 4 all saves trillions of dollars over what we currently have so it would .. reduce .. the debt .. win win

and that's the republican party and the reason trump is president ..

cause it's better to stick it to pussy liberals than it is to make sure your kids grow up healthy and that a sudden cancer doesn't bankrupt your family.

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I'm gradually coming to the conclusion that support for trump is a symptom of a severe moral and character deficiency..

Sure, I'd be willing to institute a permanent single payer system in exchange for fully funding the border wall and permanently fully enforcing immigration laws. I mean if we're saving so much money, we might as well put it to good use. Do we have a deal?

you had that chance when you fully controlled congress and the white house and couldn't get shit passed other than a tax cut for billionaires .. so how about we do what right for no other reason that because it's the right thing to do ..

i agree with fully enforcing immigration laws .. like the laws that say that asylum seekers are free to cross the border and surrender themselves to the first authorities they see and then have their cases heard.. those are all legal steps according to the current immigration laws .. so why are we instead putting them in concentration camps when they've literally violated NO law ..

Concentration camps, hahaha. They entered the country illegally and no one forced them to come here. So since you're for enforcing the immigration laws. I guess you're OK rounding up all the millions upon millions of people who are actually here illegally and shipping their ass out?

no they didn't .. asylum seekers don't have to have a visa and enter at a port of entry .. they crossed legally

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

try again

and sure .. deport 22 million people .. lets see how that idea works out for you

So basically what you're saying is in effect we don't have a border. Since anyone can cross it and then just claim asylum. Ummm, OK.

You damn liberals are crazier than those damn religious people with their invisible man in the sky. Illegal immigration isn't real. Voter fraud isn't real. Transgender isn't abnormal. Abortion isn't killing. And you have the nerve to make fun of Christians. The irony is that your fantasy world is just as unreal and nutty as theirs is, Bwahahahaha.

we have a border, seeking asylum is legal  .. sorry facts ..

illegal immigration is real
transgender is as normal as you are
voter fraud is real .. there's been about 6 cases confirmed over the past few hundred million votes cast .. so ti's about a .0000001% rate or so .. i believe voter suppression is way more real  and that falls more into the republican wheelhosue
abortion is NOT killing.. in the same way that the government can't force someone to donate a kidney it cannot force a woman to donate uterus rental
i don't make fun of christians .. i don't follow that religion .. i think alot of evil has been done in the name of religion

OK, if you say so, haha.

Hillary Clinton is not on tape bragging about how easy it is to kill people, nor are there any firsthand witnesses to Bill Clinton ordering his secret death squad to (successfully) kill someone... but there is tape of Trump bragging about assaulting women, and firsthand witnesses (i.e. victims) to his alleged assault.  So no, the evidence that Trump is a sexual assaulter is not "on par" with the evidence that the Clintons have a death squad.

If we're going to talk about evidence that is on par, you could reasonably compare the assault claims against Trump to the assault claims against Bill, or you could reasonably compare the claims that Bush orchestrated 9/11 to the claims that the Clintons have secret death squads.  But comparing the multiple women who have accused Trump of sexual assault (some of whom were underage) to the existence of secret Clinton death squads is absurd.

This kind of statement baffles me.  I am forced to wonder how you rank other non-Clinton presidents.

Like, if someone were to say that Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were both "evil," I could understand it.  I wouldn't agree with it, but I could understand it.  And if someone were to say that Obama, GWB, Bill, GHWB, Reagan, and Carter are all equally evil politicians, then fine.  Again, I don't agree, but I get it.

But in your own view, are Trump, GWB, GHWB, and Reagan all the same?  Or is it that Trump is worse than them, but still less evil than Bill Clinton, who is the most evil President in history?  Or do you believe that Obama is actually more evil than Clinton?

Even if you like his policy accomplishments, do you place no importance whatsoever on a President who tells the media that he would accept foreign interferencein the upcoming election?  Or one that explicitly states that he fired the FBI director because he didn't want to be investigated?  Or one that can't bring himself to condemn armed Nazis marching with swastika flags, after one of them intentionally plows his car into a crowd of people and kills a woman?  This is not normal conservative behavior.

I thought you were in favor of enforcing the law?  Because that's what the law says: people who fear for their safety can come to this country.  I mean, Cubans have been doing it for over half a decade century, and no one in FL seems to mind.

If you want to kick all these immigrants out of the country, then fine... but just say that instead of trying to cloak your position as merely "enforcing the law."  You care more about getting rid of them than you do enforcing the actual law.

And in the same sense that being drunk in public does not mean the government confiscates your house, laws have defined punishments attached to them.  The laws regarding immigration do not all have "immediate deportation" as their sole punishment; some of them have fines attached, and some allow the violator to remain in the country.  So while you might prefer it if every violation of immigration law resulted in immediate deportation, that isn't the law.

The real question is are you in favor of enforcing the laws?

Are you making up new laws that you want everyone to enforce...because Fausto actually posted the law, which you basically twisted into something he didn't say at all. Yes there is a border, and an immigrant seeking asylum may cross that border legally in order to formally request asylum.

So, to refresh the key points there, in case you're dealing with some ADD issues or something:

1) Yes, there is a border
2) Yes, an immigrant can legally cross the aforementioned border in order to request asylum

I don't know why you liberals attack in groups like blood thirsty hamsters. I wasn't talking to you whatsoever, but I guess if they need your help, that's cool.

I fully understand his argument, I need no help from you, and I haven't twisted anything. Now that you have voluntarily mentally masturbated yourself into the conversation, I will ask you, Fausto, and Spider all the same question.

As an American citizen, are you in favor of enforcing the current laws? A simple yes or no will suffice. No need for deflection, spinning, or talking in circles.

I'm certainly in favor of enforcing the one we're talking about here...try to stay focused, please.

I'm focused just fine. You didn't answer the question. ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF ENFORCING THE CURRENT LAWS? It's really not that hard. Be a man and just give a simple yes or no. If you can't or won't, then obviously you are the one twisting and spinning things.

I don't know that is true at all. Based on a liberal organization's research ... Transgender-ism seems to be a mental issue. Even when they get the sex change they still attempt suicide at higher rate than anyone else. National Center for Transgender Equality found that 40 percent of transgender adults have attempted suicide. Blacks and Jews are the most bullied and/or oppressed in this country and they are some of the lowest rates so any "bullying" answer isn't an excuse. We have no problem dealing with depression or knowing a pedophile has a mental issue but because we've become politically correct we are now supposed to accept this as "normal". The truth is we as a society are doing them no favors by pretending they are "normal" and ignoring the real issue.

Please don't try and link in gays because I haven't said anything about them.

Although I agree with the mental issue part, I didn't even bring that up. I said abnormal. LGBT are definitely abnormal.


At 4.5% of the population, there is zero doubt that LGBT individuals deviate from the normal or average. That's not meant to put them down. Everyone on earth is abnormal in some way. In America, LGBT have the right to live their life the way the want to. Likewise, if you advertise your abnormal lifestyle publicly , people have the right to have opinions about it.

To clarify your question: are you asking about every law on the books, or every immigration law on the books, or something else entirely?  Since "yes or no" are the only acceptable answers, I want to make sure I understand the question.

Of course, I will expect you to answer this same question.

I'm just going to repeat the same thing I said the last time (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=22696.msg308529#msg308529) the "abnormal" argument was trotted out:

Are Jews abnormal?

I don't see why the "abnormality" of a group should have any impact on policy.

We're talking about immigration. Do you support enforcing our nations immigration laws? Looks like Fau says yes according to his previous post.

Who said anything about policy? According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition, LGBT are abnormal. They deviate from the normal or average. Again, you're equating abnormal with bad. On the contrary, everyone is abnormal to some extent. If you have a problem with the definition of words in the dictionary then you might want to take that up with Merriam-Webster. Just like math is math, words are words. It doesn't change just because your feelings don't like the reality of the answer it gives.

You neglected to clarify the "every law" part of my question, which is a pretty important detail if you're going to insist on a yes or no answer.

So let me see if I can answer your question:

Am I in favor of enforcing immigration laws? Yes.  I'm not opposed to it, and I'm not indifferent, so "in favor" is a fair description.

Am I in favor of enforcing every immigration law?  No.  And based on your statements in this thread, neither are you.

Now, please answer the same yes-or-no question you insisted we answer.

Oh, as long as it has no impact whatsoever on policy, talk all you want about abnormality.  Transgender people and Native Americans and Catholics and gingers are all "abnormal."  Go nuts.

What exact law do you think that I'm not in favor of enforcing?

Now now, no cheating.  We can't have you deflecting, spinning, or talking in circles.

Answer the question first, yes or no only: are you in favor of enforcing the laws?

Sorry, my fault. I assumed that it was pretty obvious. So the answer is yes. Now what law do you think that I'm not in favor of enforcing?

So Trump keeps being a racist piece of shit .. no surprise .. i don't see how people can be proud of supporting this guy.

He's basically telling those younger liberal Congresswomen who are trying to undermine him to go back to their crime infested places and clean them up first.   One of them is from South Bronx, another from Detroit.   He's dead accurate about those places being crime infested.  

spin much ? No .. he's absolutely not saying that. Have you ever been told to go back to where you're from ? Cause I (and i suspect most immigrants) have and it's bullshit.  I'm done with this racist child molesting piece of shit asshole.  It's not politics .. he's just evil.

So Donald Trump - born 1943 in NYC - is telling AOC to go back to the crime-infested city she hails from, which is also NYC?

It's obvious what he meant: they should go back to their own shithole countries, like Africa and Puerto Rico.  If you aren't white, you aren't a Real American, you're just someone who the Real Americans allow to live here... and if you don't like how they treat you, you can go back to whatever country your ancestors came from.

edit: Let me just make this crystal clear (https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448):

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

"Congresswomen" is plural.
The "country" they come from is the United States of America.
None of them need "travel arrangements" to visit the country they live in, nor do AOC and Tlaib need "travel arrangements" to visit the cities they were born in and still represent today.

he used the word "country" .. so it's not like he was talking about the bronx republic.. seriously .. is it self delusion?

The right can look past Trump's obvious racism, as long as it's their type of racism as well.

Bullshit. You either haven't read it, have bad comprehension or are an outright liar. He specifically called them out for being from other countries.

^^^ BucBrad had to be sarcastic there, right?...

"Go back where you came from" isn't a "what part of America are you from" kind of comment...it's a "get out of my country and go back to yours" kind of BS.

The fake hypocritical repulse from the left has gotten stale. So much that conservatives are starting to wear the fake badges and stereotypical names given to them with honor.

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You can't seriously believe that.

He is not basically saying that at all.  Jesus Christ...what reaching.  He's telling them to go back to the countries they came from. 

If closet racists are now being up front about being actual racist then that's great for everybody.

and i'll see your image CF and raise you an image.
The only difference is that this image isn't some made up cartoon unfortunately.

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You're really out of touch if you want to compare Nazi concentration camps to illegal immigration detention centers.

As I understood his comments, it sounded like he's saying go back to your country of origin, fix the mess that's there, then come back here, and use your newly gained experience and expertise to help fix the mess here. That's not racist. 

Once again a liberal shows they have absolutely no clue what the Holocaust was.  SMH

The main difference being that no one is forcing them to come here and be detained in detention centers. They choose that of their own free will. Oh, and no one is exterminating them, that's a big hole in your theory.

Kind of like all the nuts that said that they were leaving the country if your POTUS Trump was elected. No one forced them to make such absurd announcements. Kind of funny that none of them left though, lmfao. Bunch of sissy ass crybabies

He basically said since you hate this country so much then go back to the country you or your relatives came from and enjoy yourself. No sense in sugar coating it. It's no different than a Floridian saying if you like New York/New Jersey so much then get on I-95 and head north but since he is a politician the other side has to act offended. hahaha That's all politics is these days. Acting like the other side offended you and you just cannot deal with that any longer.

TDS in full swing. Trump plays the other side like puppets and they take the bait every time. He may not win the next election, but if he does, the extreme left is gonna blow their brains out, hahaha

I'm still of the opinion that they are all a bunch of assholes.

looks like a duck, sounds like a duck .. quacks like a duck ..at some point .. it's a fucking duck

SMH worse than anything D4L has ever said man.

If you don't like ducks, don't hang out at the lake....

What context am I missing here?
Masses of people kept in subhuman conditions in order to further a dear leader's political point. His party falls in line because his vocal minority will demolish them in primaries if they don't.

The vast majority of prisoners that have broken no laws and crony friends of the people in power are profiting from this.

I'm sorry that you're blinded by some sort of rose tinted glasses of naivete or some sort of political tribalism.

But what's going on in these camps is objectively evil. We are perpetrating evil onto desperate people who have committed no crime because they are brown.

The fact that this is being justified at all is incredibly sad. The fact that you can't stand a comparison that is not only appropriate but validated and endorsed by not only general historians but also experts on the holocaust says something about you and not me. If the comparison makes you uncomfortable then take a look in the mirror.

As you lefties would say, let's use this as a teachable moment.

https://www.jta.org/2019/07/08/united-states/these-jews-called-out-aoc-over-her-use-of-concentration-camps-heres-what-they-think-about-the-detention-centers (https://www.jta.org/2019/07/08/united-states/these-jews-called-out-aoc-over-her-use-of-concentration-camps-heres-what-they-think-about-the-detention-centers)  

Republican Jewish Coalition

“Six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. It is disgraceful for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to compare our nation’s immigration policies to the horrors carried out by the Nazis.”

Anti-Defamation League

“Almost exactly one year ago, we urged caution when drawing comparisons to the Holocaust and reiterated our opposition to the horrible conditions separating families at the border,” tweeted Jonathan Greenblatt, national director of the organization combating anti-Semitism. “This resonates just as strongly today.”

Simon Wiesenthal Center

“It’s an insult to the victims of the Shoah to make blatant false comparisons,” Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Holocaust research organization, told Jewish Insider. “Stop casting Trump as a latter-day Nazi scheming to build concentration camps. AOC and all Congressmen from both parties have a moral obligation to fix the humanitarian disaster at the border.”

National Council of Young Israel

“Making references to concentration camps in that context minimizes the atrocities of the Holocaust and cheapens the memories of the countless Jews who perished in those horrific camps,” Farley Weiss, president of the right-wing Orthodox synagogue organization, wrote in a letter. “There is simply no comparison with what happened in these concentration camps with what is occurring at the border.”

The Coalition for Jewish Values

“Concentration camps were places where Nazis inflicted slave labor, torture and death upon innocent Jews removed from their homes at gunpoint and transported there in cattle cars,” said Rabbi Avrohom Gordimer of the right-wing Orthodox rabbis’ group. “To use Holocaust terminology regarding the refugee situation at the border is deeply offensive.”

....and so on.  If you read, they say there are concerns about conditions, but to compare it to Nazi concentration camps is down right ignorant and intolerant.  The hypocrisy you and a lot of the left show here is pretty funny actually.

I have yet to see people stripped naked, herded into gas chambers to be killed, then their bodies burned to ashes.  Nor have a seen racks of people in barracks' that are nothing but skin and bones from being mal-nourished for months.  Sadly, I believe that a better job needs to be done with some of the conditions, at some of the locations; but comparing it to Nazi concentration camps is just hyperbole.

They don’t hate this country.  They hate what Trump is doing to this country.  There is a big difference.  But Trump and his supporters believe that anyone who disagrees with the Fuhuer Trump, should leave the country.  Hallmark of a dictator and unique to only 1 of 44 presidents.

You weren't seeing that in 1930s germany either.  This is how tyranny starts .. when people do nothing in the face of evil

Like I said, delusional.  Also, you're going to gloss over everything I posted on how offensive what you are saying is?

You are missing a lot of context.   These people have broken the law.   They are here when they are not supposed to be here.   They are here illegally.   That's the whole point.   Trump is not anti-immigrant.   He is anti-illegal immigrant.   

Of course, you can't see that through your liberal colored glasses.

And I can roll out just as many quotes from jewish organizations and the Auschwitz museum saying the exact opposite. That comparisons between 1930s nazi camps and current border camps are appropriate. That the stage we are now as a country is a historical stepping stone on the way to death camps. That death camps don't happen overnight and that it was a gradual escalation. That never forgetting means never forgetting the path and not just the end result. Your ignorance is glaring. The lack of concern in the face of repeated warnings is pure hubris.

And what hypocrisy have I shown here? My views on this have been consistent. You know why? because i read history. I've studied history. Back to the topic of this thread, Hypocrisy is people calling themselves christians and supporting Trump.

Comparing them to Auschwitz 1943, true not the same.  Comparing the conditions to Dachau 1934 not too materially different.  Comparing Trump to what Hitler did in the 40s is not the point. Huge parallels between what Trump has done in office to Hitlers first few years.

What laws have they broken? Being here isn't illegal. Saying trump is not anti-immigrant probably the most ridiculous thing you've ever said.  .. no wait .. take it back .. i know you've said way worse

Y'all have lost your damn minds.  I'm done with this one.

Where's your hypocrisy? As I posted earlier, according to Jeh Johnson, Obama's Homeland Security Secretary and Thomas Homan, Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, these detention centers were built and started under Obama. Not to mention, most of the pictures of "children in cages" that the media used were taken in 2014 when Obama was in office. So give credit where credit is due, OBAMA.....

If you are here when you're not supposed to be here, then you are here ILLEGALLY.   If you snuck into this country without proper documentation/processing, you are here ILLEGALLY, even if your parents did it for you.  If you overstay your vacation/student visa, you are here ILLEGALLY.   If you don't leave when ordered to do so by ICE authorities, you are here ILLEGALLY.   It can't be more simple than that.   

What's your point? Did you just assume that i'm an Obama fanboi? Did I say somewhere that I supported Obama detention centers but now don't support them that they're trump detention centers? Oh ... maybe I posted something about loving Obama caging children but hating Trump caging children. Cause if I did .. wow .. that would be so hypocritical .. but since I've never posted anything remotely even close to that i guess i'm still not getting your point.

From what I've read the problem was severely escalated when Trump put in some sort of 0 tolerance policy that made this all way worse.

So just conjecture on your part then .. cause it's legal to come into this country by any means and to request asylum .. 100% legal .. and then they get caged and mistreated for following the law.

I believe i even posted a link to the specific law allowing for that.

My point is that if this was a real issue it would have been brought up long before Trump took the White House. If Hillary won the election and she was doing the exact same thing as Trump, you wouldn't be saying shit.

Just because you request asylum doesn't mean you're granted asylum. In the meantime you'll be detained while your request is pending. You actually think that anyone who utters the word asylum should be free to roam the United States as free as a citizen. If so, you're nuts.....

I see you broke out the "if ma' had balls" argument .. good play.. Way to gloss over the line where trump specifically made this much worse.


also nice straw-man .. i said it wasn't illegal i never said we should release them .. but how about a common sense alternative .. since they aren't criminals .. lets stop treating them like criminals .. that's a novel thought.

Besides .. at $775 / night that the GEO group is charging taxpayers per person, maybe we could instead put them up at a much better location for alot less money. I think we can get a room at the boca raton resort for about $500 night .. that would be a 30% savings right there!

AOC was born in NYC.  Her father was also born in NYC, and her mother was born in Puerto Rico.  What is her "country of origin"?  AOC has more American lineage in her family than Trump does; he's the child of am immigrant, and his kids (except Tiffany) are the children of immigrants.

He never told Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi to go back to their "country of origin" because they're white, which makes them American.

Ok. So then he told AOC to go back to NYC and fix the problems there. Even less “racist” than telling her to go back to her country of her ancestors.

And Lord knows New York has a lot of problems, especially South Bronx where she hails from.   

Except that he DID say "countries," and he said that they should work out "travel arrangements" to go there.  So even if he hadn't said "countries," the Trump-apologists' excuse of "He was just talking about Pelosi making travel arrangements for these women to go back to... the cities they were born in and represent in Congress today" still doesn't make any sense.

I still don't get why people insist on defending this garbage.  At least CF is honest enough to say that Trump delivers on the important policies, and so he doesn't care about anything else Trump does.

Trump's "Important Policies," which include:

1) Make more money through Presidential leverage and tax cuts for billionaires
2) Make everyone admit how awesome he is, and how smart he is, and how large his hands are
3) Jail everyone who tries to stop him from making money or who says that he isn't the most awesomest human being ever.
4) Put people who gave him money into cabinet positions that they aren't qualified for.
5) Alienate every real ally we've had for the past 70 years
6) Snuggle up to the dictators of the world

One of the biggest issues people have ... including myself, is that whenever anyone opposes us we go defensive rather than saying ... "you know, you may be right about that". Social media exacerbates that. In this day and age it's hard for Democrats to admit they have "people who the directions on shampoo bottles" were written for and it's hard for Republicans to admit Trump does things we wish he wouldn't. I think of him as a hot mess.  He may look like he is in a state of disarray but he maintains an undeniable attractiveness because his policies align with mine. hahaha

I don't even know what that jibberish means

So you think zero tolerance made this worse? Laws aren't meant to have tolerance. You either enforce the laws 100% or you don't. Laws that aren't enforced aren't really laws, they're just suggestions.

You can either detain them, deport them, or set them free. You don't go visit someone's house and complain about the accommodations. If you don't like it then you are free to leave. Likewise, if they don't like the process or being detained until their asylum case is resolved, they can go elsewhere. Maybe Canada will take them, treat them like royalty, and immediately set them free to do as the please.

The true irony in all of this is that Trump is telling these women to go back to their countries and fix them... and as elected members of Congress, that's literally what they are trying to do right now.  They aren't sitting around shitposting on Twitter or making dank memes on the internet; they are taking one of the most direct steps possible to fix the problems of their home country.

I don't think I fall into this.  Maybe I'm fooling myself.  I think Trump is a disaster of a leader and embodies none of the qualities I respect in another person, much less in leadership.

And I can't really think of "things he's done" and be proud of anything, really.  I suppose there are instances where he backs off and doesn't act, where I appreciate the restraint.  ...so if that counts, good, I suppose.

But I do think that some liberals pile on and make arguments that are either unfair or, at least, distracting and missing the point.  For example, trying to tie him to Eppstein, who is a creep.  ...like, what's the point.  You aren't who your friends are.  I'm sure I have had plenty of friends in my life who are creeps and if you went and found old photos of me at parties, I'd be there with some pretty huge scumbags.  That's not a fair criticism of Trump, but it also wasn't fair to try to tie Harvey Weinstein to any of the liberals that he hung around.  You can be a good person and hang out with some scumbags, especially if you didn't know they were scumbags.  It's also not fair to criticize him for the actions of his father.  You aren't your parents...has Star Wars taught us nothing?

And then there's rhetoric that is just not helpful.  Like refusing-to-call-him-president type of bullshit.  Trump is my president.  He's a bad one.  And he's an asshole and habitual liar and egomaniac and probably a sociopath.  But he was elected.  Focusing on his illegitimacy because he sucks is just not beneficial and it hurts the main goal, which is just to make him accountable for the things he says and does.  And nobody is holding him accountable to anything.  In this thread alone, the conservatives are either denying his meaning or accepting it, but saying it doesn't matter because he's doing what you want.

In terms of the racist stuff, I don't know if Trump is actually a racist in his heart, in terms of he thinks minorities are lesser people.  But he does have a history of actions that tell a story that he doubles-down on racist stuff over and over again.  If it was once or twice, you could say that it's just circumstances, but there is a pattern.  But what I do believe is absolutely true is that he uses race as a wedge to stoke fires and drum up racism in others.  He is depending on racism to improve his popularity in his base.  And so all this stuff he does and says is a wink and a nod to make white people and men afraid of minorities and the power of women.

I will just say that seeing him in a photo or a video of a party with Epstein from a long time ago means nothing. If he was hanging out with Epstein now it would be a different story. That being said, he's gotten sued by women that have reported that he's raped them when they were 13. So he can be thought of as a pedophile completely separate from Epstein.

I think Trump is a racist in the same way Tommy was a racist. People keep saying things like "i don't know if he was a racist in his heart" but he ended up posting photos of a black man being lynched in order to talk trash about a college football coach.  So that point i don't care what's in his heart cause i see what his actions are and that's enough for me.