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I don't know what kind of control he gets, but it's pretty clear that we're not trying to win.  We're dumping players, we re-signed basically nobody.  We're getting picks in the future.

But we're going to be BAAAAAAAD.  And that will continue for years, even if things go well.  Even if these picks are good, they won't be good in year 1.

So, why is he doing this?  There seems to be no way that he survives this.  Heads will have to roll when you have single digit wins over a multiple year span.  He will likely be one of the scapegoats.  How can he possibly put this product on the field while the front office gives away all his players and be cool with it?

It's easy Dave. He's a double agent put in place by Belichick and Kraft to dismantle the Dolphins from the inside. It's genius.
But the way that I see it is that Flores is trying to be Belichick, and do things "the patriot way" in Miami by acquiring as many drafts pick as possible in order to build through the draft.

That's not how the Patriots built their team.  That's how the Browns and Bengals have built their teams.

Flores is trying to win games with the players he has.

You guys are blame Flores for decisions made by Ross and Grier.

Flores doesn’t have the power in Miami that Belichick has in NE.

I agree. He is part of the decision making but ultimately it falls on Grier. Considering Ross's explanation of his firing of Gase and his 5 year deal with Flores I think he's well aware that Flores will be playing a long distance game.

Then I guess Flores can go join Cam Cameron in the "coaches who were unfairly blamed for years of bad front office decisions" support group.

cam was expected to win .. he was hot shit coordinator coming in to a team with "talent" .. Flores came in .. got told he was gonna suck for a few years and to stick it out and that's why they gave him a 5 year contract .. if he can't win by year 4 then they'll get rid of him .. if he can then he'll get extended  .. that's where we're at.

this year means nothing .. i don't get where people think he's getting fired .. he could go 0-32 and be secure in his job

To be clear however Flores KNEW when he was hired this was the plan and was on board with the plan. He KNEW the risk going in and was ok with it. So while I don't blame Flores, all his rhetoric about we are trying to win games is utter BS. They ALL know they are not trying to win games THIS year, including Flores. He's not a baffoon. So if it doesn't work out and he gets axed in 2 years he deserves exactly what he gets.

Flores very likely received guarantees from ownership that even if they go 0-16 this year and 3-13 the next, he will be around for all of Year 3 as long as things are going in the right direction.

You don't hire a new coach, gut the roster like never before and then expect him to win. For once, ownership and management and coaching seems to be on the same page. Suck hard now for a better future.

The 3-4 year plan makes sense in a lot of situations.  But here, we've got no chance of being good in 3 years.  They've stripped it all too bare.

I disagree. We have 6 picks in the first three rounds next year and 130 million in cap space. We could fill half the team in one off-season.

Yes, he knew the plan.

But I think two separate roles and goals get merged.

If I was Ross these would be my instructions:

Grier - Your job is improve to the roster for the long term, if a player is not part of our long term plans, trade him to free up cap space and get picks.

Flores - Your job is to win games with the roster you have.  Trading away good players for future picks makes your job more difficult, but doesn’t change your job.  Your goal is not to have the first pick overall, but to move us down the draft order.

Guarantees from ownership are not worth a whole lot. 3-29 might be good enough to keep him around for year 3 and it might not. A lot depends on if that 3-13 is a lot of blowouts and a couple wins or a lot of close games and only a couple wins.

Guaranteed contracts are worth cash.  They can fire him tomorrow, but they have to pay him for 5 years.  You don’t give someone a 5 year contract if you plan on having a short window to prove himself.

Exactly. Handshakes in sports don't mean much, but cash does. Everyone is on the same page for once with this organization, Flores has a minimum of 3 years as long as the team gets better in 2020 and 2021 with the talent acquired. This year is 0-16 and no heads will roll because of it. They traded his best O-Lineman and WR days before Week 1, they all know the score.

Who said they were planning on having a short window to prove himself? What you plan on doing and what actually happens have little to do with each other. Stephen Ross doesn't strike me as a man of patience. I think there will have to be some signs of progress by year 2 to guarantee he stays for year 3. Hell if the right coach drops into his lap, I can see Ross eating Flores contract in less then 2 years. Flores will have the money, but he won't have a job.

The current Dolphins roster is 100% on Grier, and will be for the next couple years.  By the middle of the 2021 season Flores needs to be winning games with whoever Grier has put on his roster or he will be fired.  Then Grier would most likely be fired at the end of the 2021 season if they don't eek out 7 wins for that season.

You might be the worst judge of character on here not named D4L ... hahaha. He is the epitome of patience and allows his football employees numerous opportunities to fail. Do the names of Mike Tannenbaum and Chris Grier ring a bell?  :)

Tannenbaum worked for Miami about 4 years. What has Grier done up till now to even warrant him leaving? Your definition of patience and mine might be a bit different. Go ask Jerry Jones how long Jason Garrett has been the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys with 2 playoff wins to show for it. That's a patient owner. A lot of people believe too patient or at the very least he's patient with Garrett because he couldn't find anyone else to put up with his shit. LOL

I think that Ross is definitely patient.  He has provided the team with what they need and time.  It just hasn't worked out.

Maybe I'm just going off of recent history. I do think that he was pretty patient with Philbin. Not so much with Gase.

+1

I can't blame Ross.  I think he has hired what he thought were good football people and let them do their jobs, with little meddling from him.  And when it didn't work out he stepped in and made changes.  I think he is what you want in an owner.