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Anybody happen to see Tannehill’s stats from the Titans game today. Somebody please tell me that his performance today was just an anomaly. :'(

He must have felt like he all day to pass

Had to chime in here--watched pretty much the whole game, after ours, since it was a late afternoon kick, and for the most part (he had a few sacks, but for the most part, I thought Bosa and/or Square/other D-linemen were right on him pretty quickly and wasn't nec. his fault for not getting it out of there on time), he looked great.  He really did.

I mean, Fouts (not a fan of his, but he is sometimes on point--sometimes!) stated it, given enough time, Tannehill can basically be deadly accurate, and also pointed out how he is a great passer on the run/on the move.  All of those things showed today.

Like you said, stink, it is just one game, so certainly possible he might have some bad games going forward now, but I always really thought and felt that Ryan had a lot of talent, with my biggest gripe with the guy being that sometimes he didn't get the ball out/thrown away, or even take off and run, when things broke down.  I still think he was feeling his way back most of the season last year after the 2nd knee injury in the camp of '17, and then when he suffered the shoulder injury against Cincy 5th game in or whatever it was, that really just threw things off the rails.  But ultimately, he's always had talent, and at his worst, I typically felt like Ryan was a middle tier QB in this league, and had the ceiling of a top 8-12 (Not saying better than top 7-8 QB's, just saying he could be and sometimes was in that tier right below them, with more consistent play), and I think with solid enough O-line play, he'll be able to show that.  Of course, Tennessee fans claim their O-line is real spotty and even shitty at times, but not sure how much Miami Dolphins' football they've really watched over the past 7-8 years, besides the games they played against us!!   :D

Regardless, I really do wish Ryan only the best.  Guy was a damn trooper for us all 7 seasons (well, 6 really, since didn't get to play at all in '17 with the recurrent knee injury, but still), and gave it his all, and really seemed like a stand up guy as well.  It was his time to move on, and the way the season has turned out for us, too, was probably for the best for all parties that he was moved on, but still doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see him succeed.  Just sucks that the dominoes couldn't fall together earlier in his career for it to have worked out with the 'Phins!!

I definitely wish him well.  Saw most of the TN game and he looked okay.  I think a fair assessment would be that with any kind of decent O-Line at all, he is probably a middle of the pack QB in the NFL.  He had zero chance to succeed in Miami because he was running for his life on most plays.  To his credit, he was a stand up guy and you never heard him bad mouth the Fins O-Line or make excuses while he was here. 

Ryan had two 4,000 yard seasons and one 3,900 season.  When healthy he was in the "sold / okay" category of the QB range. 

I mean if I were to tell you a QB had the following stats -

4,045 passing yards, 27 TD / 12 picks, 93 QB rating.  Not terrible.  Right?  He also had 311 yards rushing in this season (2014).

When healthy, he was okay.

Tannehill never had a over average line and good coaching staff. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he will ever be more than a average type QB.  But he isn't the scourge of the planet fans around here made him out to be.

Tannehill is a decent QB.  He isn’t top tier and he isn’t the type of QB that can carry a team to the playoffs.  But he is a good enough QB to be a part of a championship team.  He is closer to Eli Manning than Peyton.  Problem is Miami fans won’t accept anything less than the glory days of Marino. 

Great evaluations of Tannehill. I hope things work out for him in Tennessee because he really did give us everything he had. It wasn't his fault we were as bad as we have been. 

I think we would've been fine with consistently solid but he had lots of ups and downs, mainly due to terrible coaching, development and our O-Line. I wish him nothing but the best and it wouldn't surprise me if he has a few Top 10 QB seasons in this league. He almost did with us.

Ryan looked good again this week.

He has 5TDs, 1 interception, and 2 wins in his 2 starts. I think his qb rating is about 115 over those two games. Not bad for a washed up backup.

The grass is always greener on the other side. Which is why I have a HUGE fear of the fallout from this year's rebuild. We are putting ourselves in such a HUGE hole that it may take years or even decades to ever crawl out of it. I know people weren't happy about having 7 or 8 wins every year, let's see how they enjoy having 3 or 4 year after year. There are worse things then being mediocre.

To be fair, of all the major sports, the NFL is probably the easiest to climb out of that hole (NFL 1, MLB 1a).  Zero today, hero tomorrow; if done correctly (and with a little luck). 

2016 San Fran was 2-16.  The next year 6-10, last year 4-12.  They've gone from a four win season to one of the favorites in the West. 

The NFL is full of "worst to first" stories - mostly due to how horrific the majority of the league is (we are one of those teams now).  A little luck on draft day, the coaching staff is actually better than the one who tossed a house blitz on 3rd and 22 last night...and we will see.

I've been saying this for awhile. Niners got Bosa who is a beast and their QB back and are now 8-0. I don't think we will be 8-0 next year, but if we draft a QB who is legit, paired with our huge draft haul and league high cap space, I can see a dramatic turnaround in one season.

Or we screw it all up and go 5-11 the next decade.

IIRC the greatest single season NFL improvement occurred with the signing of Chad Pennington.

I'm happy for Tannehill, it was time for him to get a fresh start on a new team; and seeing this shit show in Miami I'm sure Tannehill thinks it was the best career move ever.

And Jake Long!

And Brady getting hurt

Don't forget going 6-10 to 10-6

My theory is they think they have no shot until Brady retires. 

It occurred with the success of the Wildcat. Ronnie & Ricky had more to do with our success than any other thing. Pennington benefited from them as we weren't winning before it was introduced. It's a pet peeve of mine that Penny gets too much credit for throwing 225 yards a game ... LOL.

That is fair.  I actually credit coaching as a major factor in that turn aound.  I think too much stock is being put in the idea the first overall pick on a qb as franchise saving
 

The Wildcat was huge when it was UNIQUE. As the year went on, we didn't throw passes out of it anymore, it was always a direct snap to Ronnie or Ricky and they would run straight. They literally never adjusted it past that season, which is why we went back to sucking immediately.

Also, using a #1 pick on a QB can be franchise saving IF that QB is the best player in the draft. So many times a team will spend a Top 10 pick on a QB just because they need one and the draft class is shallow. Sam Darnold at #3? Josh Allen at #7? Mitch Trubisky #2? None of those guys were even Top 20 players, but the teams needed a QB and they selected the best ones available.

Miami has had 21 QBs since Marino and haven't had a pro bowl QB longer than any other team. If they end up using all three first round pics to draft QBs it wouldn't bother me... LOL.

My 49ers appreciated the Bears' desperation there, seeing as how they not only spent the #2 pick on him, but traded SF a pair of 3rd rounders and a 4th rounder to move up one spot to do it.

I give GM John Lynch all the credit for that one.   You guys weren't going to take Trubisky but Lynch faked interest in him to fleece the Bears. 

If I'm the Glazers, I clean house after this season and throw money at Lynch. 

Tannehill is a top 10 qb in this league! The Dolphins have had so many quarterbacks, and they finally had a good one in Tannehill. Getting rid of him was a stupid move. I believe he can totally carry a team with a decent offensive line and some quality receivers. I have no faith in this new coaching staff. They are a bunch of morons.

Such a fleece. "Okay, we won't take our franchise QB if you give us some Day 2 draft picks."

Scratching my head a little here...did you think the 49ers were considering Trubiski as a possible franchise QB?

No, talking about it as a joke. Why would the Bears move up at all? Only reason is to think they thought the Niners wanted Trubisky too. If that were in the case, why would they give up their potential franchise QB for Day 2 draft picks?

Ah, ok...that makes more sense. That said, the list of players we added from that trade is pretty solid.

For those of your scoring at home, Ryan's stats in three games:

73 completion ratio, 649 yards, 5 TD / 2 picks; 108.3 QBR.  He also has a rushing TD.

Philbin and Gase sure did get a lot of him in Miami. 

You could say that for just about every player that's left Miami in the last 2 decades. They always seem to play better for someone else. Why is that you think?

Not a top Ten QB.  To paraphrase Dennis Green, "He is who we thought he was, and we let him go".  Tannehill is in the 13 - 18 range (generously).  The Dolphins paid him good money and he was going to cost them too much for a couple seasons where they had decided to rebuild.

Dolphin fans won't be satisfied with a very good QB that you can build a team around.  Anything less than an elite QB is unacceptable. 

Sadily I don't think even that is going to get them where they want to be. They will need a franchise QB AND build a team around him. Just don't see that happening without a LOT of luck and I don't mean Andrew.

Based on comments by many fans.  Don't think that matters.  Dolphins fans seem more endeared to the glory days of Marino than the back to back SB wins

Well that's just because these fans aren't old enough to remember the Super Bowl years.  For me the Marino years were heartbreaking years.  It was always "if we only had a running back" (IMO the problem was the great O-line was a pass blocking line, and not designed to block for running plays).  Living in upstate NY like I do I hated the Bills, and their fandom that was created in the mid 80's - 90's.

Yep.  I was only 8 in 1972, but I was old enough to follow and be excited about those back to back Super Bowls.  And I always thought of the Marino era as "what could have been".   

I was (and will continue to be) in the "he's better than you think" camp.  I mean, not enough to base my fantasy football season on him or anything...
:)

This is where we agree Hoodie. Marino was a stud. Didn't matter. Never won a SB because the team around him wasn't that good. They were decent his first couple of years in the league and then slowly over time it went downhill. They managed a few playoff runs after that, but were never really a SB contender again. You need more than a franchise QB. Marino should have taught people that but sadly it hasn't.

Well Tanny been throwing fire the past few weeks.....he just SINGLEHANDEDLY took out the Chiefs.  WOW what a 4th quarter!!

Miami nightmare situation:

I've said for a while the kid is talented, he hasn't had good coaching.  He appears to have, at least, decent coaching in Tennessee.  He is in a walk year unless they franchise him, they signed him to a one year deal.

New England comes in, signs Tannehill.  Brady gets hurt; Ryan steps in (like Brady did years ago) and goes on to continue to lead NE in a seamless manner. 

Don't be shocked if Miami is in the running to get Tannehill back next year at this point. I could very easily see them pass on a 1st round QB this year and try to take one next year. That would make Tannehill as a lame duck QB at a reasonable price quite interesting.

It's funny because we are all rooting for him too. He is a great guy, always was very tough and didn't complain about the horrible and unfair situation we put him in. Plus, it would help Miami if the Titans won the division instead of the Texans.

I like(d) Ryan a lot.  I wish him all the success. 

I’m guessing Tanny will sign a 3 year deal over 60 million with Tennesse and it may happen before the season is over.

Depends on how they finish. They're hot now, but they aren't blowing anyone away so they could drop their next 4 and it wouldn't be a shock.

2 tds and then another 2 rushing tds yesterday ... the guy is definitely having fun. He's got 13 TDs (3 rushing) and only 4 INTs for his 7 games played this season.

Ryan Tannehill for MVP! :)

Could you imagine?

LOL ... I don't see that happening but it would be hilarious. I do think the more successful he is the more it highlights how leadership failed him .... and us.

Very happy for Tanny. Plus, 2 of their final 3 games are against the Texans and if they stay hot they can knock them off for the division or even knock out the Steelers from the playoffs. Dolphin for life!

Obviously Gase was not the right coach for Tannehill.

Or anyone else.

Gase did take this team to the playoffs, which is no mean feat.

Of course, he was a poor man's Bill Belichick that year.

It is amazing what a QB can do when he has an offensive line that isn't absolutely horrible.  Probably getting better coaching now too.  Very happy for Tanny and I hope he becomes the permanent starter for the Titans next year (I think this is his last contract year but I could be wrong). 

Yeah, he signed a one year deal for just $2 million with the Titans after we cut him. If he continues like this, he'll get a big contract with someone.

I'm sticking with this prediction.

If the Titans win today and the Texans lose to the Pats, then Tennessee is in 1st place and plays Houston twice n the last three games.

My god, can you imagine Tannehill leading the Titans to the division title AND knocking out the Texans for us? MVP!

Ryan Tannehill leads the NFL in passer rating at 113.9. I wonder if Tennessee will sign him or franchise him for a couple of years?

I'd probably franchise him for next year...just to see him "do it again."

I totally get that from the team's perspective but boy does that screw Tannehill. At his age he only has one contract left and if he was to get franchised three times that will really hurt him.  Well ... as much as a millionaire losing out on a few more millions.

After what just happened with Nick Foles, I doubt any team is going to give him a big money deal for multiple years. The franchise tag for QBs I think is like $25 Million so that's a great payday for one season. Even if he sucks next year, he will always be able to find a job, just like Fitzpatrick.

If he actually was franchised over the next three years he would make more money than if he signs a three year deal.  The Titans are not the Redskins, they make better fiscal choices.  They won't do this.

Don't be shocked to see Ryan wind up in Denver next season. 

Yeah, if Tanny can successfully get franchised 3 years in a row, he would receive more guaranteed money than any contract he could possibly sign now, and likely the most guaranteed money of any player in the league.

For example, if Tanny had been franchised this year, he would have made $24.865M.  That would escalate to $29.838M in 2020 and $35.806M in 2021, for $90.5M guaranteed over 3 years.  Even with those older numbers, the only player with more guaranteed money than that is Matt Ryan ($94M in his 2018 contract).

Tanny is a decent QB, but he would need to seriously improve for a team to invest a second tag on him never mind a third.

Jets/NFL columnist  Manesh Mehta was on the Joe Rose show this morning and Joe brought up how Gesicki and Parker have flourished since Gase was let go and he quickly pointed out how Tannehill is the breakout star of the former Gasers ... LOL.  The consensus was Gase holds players back because of his ego with Le'Veon Bell being his latest victim.

21 for 27; 391 and three touchdowns.

In the last three games Ryan has a passer rating over 130 and a completion % above 75.  Only one QB in history has done it in three straight games; Aaron Rodgers.

I wish Miami could land a QB like that. 

;)

Great tackle by Tannehill as well. Looked like a linebacker to me!! hahaha

https://youtu.be/xM0vYHf6RjY

^ Pretty sweet tackle Tannehill made on the interception after the batted pass. Not often you see quarterbacks run down players and make solid form tackles like that.

One thing Tannehill has always needed is a better sense of when to throw the ball away, instead of taking a sack, or throwing into a jumping lineman, or throwing as he's hit. There were *a lot* of turnovers off those sacks and tipped balls during his 6 seasons in Miami.

So what you are saying is that who a quarterback plays with and against is a factor in his success and in his team's success?

Who would have believed that?  ::)

No.  I'm saying that I've always thought Tannehill was talented and did not have the coaching around him. 

Tennessee's schedule has nothing to do with his success this year.

Ryan was always a talented QB, very tough and a good teammate.He just worked with horrendous O-Lines and had numerous bad coaches. I don't think he will ever be putting up Drew Brees numbers, but he can absolutely be a Superbowl winning QB if the situation is right. He just can't lead the wrong team to the championship.

And he plays the Texans twice out of the next 3 weeks, meaning he can knock them out of the playoffs, win the division and get us a better draft pick.

I'm rooting for Tannehill and Wake to go far with the Titans this season.

Same here, Rooting for Tanny and Wake. Felt that their careers were handled very poorly

Agreed.  I've mentioned the Titans on this board a few times.  I think they have a shot in the AFC to make some noise.  Not to get out of it, frankly I don't think ANYONE can beat the Ravens this year.  But I think they can make the title game.

Unfortunately, Wake is injured and out for the year.

RT is the offensive player of the week. Seemed appopriate to put this info here.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086756/article/ryan-tannehill-jimmy-garoppolo-among-players-of-the-week

I just had a realization.

If Tannehill turns into the next Drew Brees and starts lighting up the league in TEN for the next 10 years, this actually makes Saban's blunders with Brees and Rodgers much more palatable.  It would tell us that it doesn't particularly matter if the Dolphins of this era acquire a great QB, because they would just ruin him.  So we can take solace in the fact that MIA didn't run Brees or Rodgers out of the league while looking like AJ Feeley or John Beck.  They didn't deny the joy of watching a great player to fans across the league.

Ryan is 2nd in the NFL in QB Rating and if the Titans win next week against the Texans who basically have nothing to play for, then they are in the playoffs.

I'm happy for the guy, no bitterness or anger on my part. I hope they win it all.

HOU will still be playing for seeding next week.

They're either the 3rd or 4th seed. That only matters if they play the Chiefs in the Conference Championship which is unlikely. It's probably not worth the risk to potentially injure Watson on a game for that. They are pretty banged up too so I think they rest up.

He has led them to the promised land! Tanny leads the Titans to the playoffs and helps knock out the Steelers but they are going to lose anyway. Still, great turnaround by our boy.

I am guessing this board will be Titans fans next week.

Basically has been for the past 10 weeks.

Lifelong Oilers/Titans  fan here.

2019 season:  completed 70.5 of his passes, 20 TD, 6 picks, 2,544 yards and a QBR of 116.5; if you need him.  He also has 185 yards rushing and four rushing touchdowns.

In a must win game in order to make the playoffs - on the road; Ryan tossed two touchdowns and posted a 138.8 QB rating; no turnovers.

Congratulations, RT.  If this guy doesn't get come back player of the year something is massively wrong.

Him or Devante Parker.

Yeah, good point.

Jimmy G gets my vote for CBPY
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/01/ryan-tannehill-becomes-the-highest-rated-starting-quarterback-of-2019/

Dave Hyde ... He’s not just succeeding. He’s excelling. He led the league in passer rating (117.5). Only Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Nick Foles have finished with higher passer ratings. Oh, and he was the AFC Player of the Month.

^All of them have Superbowl rings btw.

He's excelling without becoming a different QB. He has always been a very high level game manager who can pass for high accuracy and go downfield a bit. His issues in Miami were lack of talent and running for his life on every play. He won't win a gunslinger battle against Drew Brees but you can still win a Superbowl with Tanny and I hope Tennessee does.

One of the many issues with Tannehill in Miami was that the play calling was abysmal. Yes, part of it was (lack of) talent, but when your team performs league worst in screen passes, wh MAYBE not have your team lead the league in calling screen passes. There were a couple of other weak points that we kept trying week after week like short out routes / stays. At least prior to Gase, we were among the worst in that category as well. On the other hand, the Dolphins we very successful pushing the ball down field, but that's something our coaches were loath to do. We also called way fewer slants than average, despite seeing top tier production (at least some years).

Congratulations Tannehill for defeating the Pats.

That is Tannehill's first career victory over Brady in Gilette.     

He's 5-6 lifetime against Brady. 2nd most wins of any QB in the history of the NFL behind only Peyton.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/ekdra8/ryan_tannehill_has_5_wins_as_a_starting/

I am not sure if I agree with the poster using “trailing”.  5-6 is virtually even, 6-11 is being dominated.

I had a long e-mail thread going on with a radio talk show host in Dallas last year about the Patriots and their success during the Brady years. His take on it was that the AFCE other than New England has been complete garbage for all of Brady's years which is why he's had so much success. I pointed out that Miami actually has a pretty decent record against Brady when you consider how he's done against the league as a whole and especially in Miami. Then I pointed out that even if the Bills, Dolphins and Jets have been garbage as he says, then everyone in the AFC has apparently been garbage since Brady took over considering their success both in the regular season and the playoffs. This was Brady's record against the NFL at the time.

Opponent                  GMs  Won  Loss Winning %
Seattle Seahawks        3      1      2      33.33%
Carolina Panthers        5      2      3      40.00%
Arizona Cardinals        2      1      1      50.00%
Denver Broncos          13     7      6      53.85%
Green Bay Packers      5      3      2      60.00%
Kansas City Chiefs      8       5     3       62.50%
Miami Dolphins           33    22    11     66.67%
Detroit Lions              6      4      2      66.67%
San Francisco 49ers    3      2      1      66.67%
Ten Titans/Hou Oilers   7      5      2      71.43%
Pittsburgh Steelers     11     8      3      72.73%
LA/ San Diego Chrgrs  8      6      2      75.00%
New York Giants          4      3      1      75.00%
Philadelphia Eagles     4       3      1      75.00%
LA/STL Rams             4      3      1      75.00%
Washington Redskins   4      3      1      75.00%
Indi/Bal Colts             14     11    3      78.57%
New York Jets             34      27    7      79.41%
Oak/LA Raiders           5      4     1       80.00%
New Orleans Saints    5      4     1          80.00%
Jacksonville Jaguars   6      5     1       83.33%
Baltimore Ravens       7      6     1       85.71%
Cincinnati Bengals      7      6     1       85.71%
Cleveland Browns       7      6     1      85.71%
Houston Texans           8      7     1       87.50%
Buffalo Bills                33      30    3      90.91%
Atlanta Falcons           5      5     0       100.00%
Chicago Bears            5      5     0       100.00%
Dallas Cowboys           4      4     0       100.00%
Minnesota Vikings       5       5     0      100.00%
Tampa Bay Bucs          4      4     0       100.00%
Totals                         269   207  62     76.95%

^^^^

Chicken/egg question. 
Was NE successful because the rest of the AFCE was weak or was NE's absolute dominance over every team in the NFL make it near impossible for other AFCE teams to be successful. 

A few things suggest the latter....1) that NE was rarely one and done in the playoffs.  If it was truly the case that NE won the division by default (like the Eagles did this year) you would see them going one and done more frequently.  2) NE having approximately the same level of success vs. AFCE teams as the rest of the league.  3) Overall the AFCE vs non-AFCE teams is on par with most divisions.  (Granted a many of those wins came from NE) 4) If the AFCE was week you would expect to see below average representation of AFCE teams in the playoffs.  From 2001-2019 the AFCE has had 10 wildcard teams.  There are two per year over 20 years is a total of 40 divided by 4 divisions means each they sent the exact average number. 5)The only team that was able to consistently challenge  NE over many games other than Miami was Denver.  If it was truly the case of the AFCE being weak you would expect other good teams (Pitt, Colts, Ravens) all having better win percentage than Miami. 

These numbers do not reflect playoff games

That's true, but are you suggesting that adding playoff games would change much? I doubt it would.

In the playoffs the Patriots since 2001 are ~75% outside the division and 50% inside the division.  (Jets 1-1)

I redid the numbers including playoff games. I think this is accurate, gets a little tricky with teams changing cities etc. Not a big difference in my opinion. Changes certain teams like the Giants, Ravens and Broncos a bit, but overall not a significant difference. Dolphins still have a wining percentage against Brady better then league average. You could argue it's the Jets and Bills that have allowed the Patriots to rule the division, but as Hoodie mentioned, is that because they've been bad or New England has been good. Seems to be the latter when you take all the teams records against Brady into account.

The total yards are underwhelming but our man had a QBR over 115 tonight, 2 TDS in the air, one on the ground and took care of the ball. Zero turnovers.

He’s gone on the road and taken out the Pats and now the #1 seed.

You do you, 17. This is awesome.

SB could be former Dolphins QB vs former Patriots QB.  Go Jimmy G!

Tannehill became the QB you guys all know..... incapable

He had a solid game, but the Chiefs stopped Henry in his track and the defense couldn't stop Mahommes.

Tanny will never beat you by throwing for 500 yards but he can beat you with smart decisions and mistake free football IF the rest of the team plays well too. They did not play well this time and so the Chiefs go to the Superbowl.

The guy completed 68% of his passes for 209 / 2 TD and a QBR of 108.1 while not being given room to breathe, on the road, in the AFC title game, against a vastly superior team.

If this is "...incapable", sign me up.  KC held Henry to 69 yards.  Most QBs are going to struggle to win on the road under these conditions if they can't run. 

Jimmy G threw only when he needed to - but when he did, it was on target and where it needed to be.  San Fran's offense was built in the same manner. 

He finished the post season with a QBR of 117.5.  He finished his first postseason with 5 TDs, 1 INT, 99QBR, two rushing TDs. 

Bad take.

Exactly my point.   The Chiefs did something that the Patriots and the Ravens failed to do.    They contained Derrick Henry.  They put 8-9 men in the box and forced Tannehill to beat them with his arm, which he can't be counted on to do.   Tannehill is not an Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees.   He can't take over a game like they can, especially with that much at stake.

That wasn't the problem, the problem was that KC was scoring a TD every time they touched the ball. That's not an offensive problem, that's a defensive problem. The Titans held the Patriots to 13 and the Ravens to 12 points. That's how they won those games, not by outscoring them. They couldn't do that to KC and they couldn't keep up offensively. If they would have given up 35 points to the Patriots or the Ravens, they probably would have lost those games as well.

I think we're all in agreement on that, Tanny won't throw for 500 yards. In the 300's is kind of his ceiling. We disagree on saying what he brings doesn't have a ton of value. 21 for 28 for 260 Yards and 2 TDs consistently is very valuable in this league. Put that on the Steelers and they are 12-4.

Back to my original point.  KC had too many weapons and too much firepower.  But, they wouldn't have scored all those points had Derrick Henry been able to do what he did against Baltimore and New England.  He would've kept Mahomes off the field.

So the problem wasn't Tannehill, the problem was that they didn't get the run game going like they did the previous 2 weeks and it wasn't because KC put 8 men in the box and dared Tannehill to beat them, both New England and Baltimore did the same thing but they still couldn't stop Henry and Tannehill did enough to keep drives alive and keep Brady and Jackson off the field. So the whole process broke down, you can't lay all the blame on Tannehill. Give credit to KC for doing what the Patriots and Ravens couldn't.

Dang .... he made out better than I thought but still not a bad prediction seeing as how that was an early November prediction.

The Tennessee Titans have agreed on a four-year deal with Ryan Tannehill that will pay the quarterback up to $118 million, a source tells ESPN's Jeff Darlington.

The deal, which has an average annual value of $29.5 million, includes $62 million fully guaranteed, the source told Darlington. Tannehill also will receive $91 million in total guarantees, according to Darlington. The Titans announced a multiyear extension for Tannehill on Sunday but did not disclose terms.

In 2 or 3 years, he'll be considered on the low end of the pay scale for QB's. That's how it is these days.