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We have 4 games left. Jets, Giants, Bengals and Patriots. We have won 3 out of our last 5 games. It looks to me right now like we could win 3 of our last 4 giving us a 6-10 record. Oh goody. What are your thoughts?

if we finish 6-10 after losing so much "talent" and "tanking" .. what good was that "talent" in the first place .. 1 win's worth ?

That's not a fair assessment. We went 7-9 with them last year so if the coaching is better, Fitz is a better QB and we added talent from the draft then we should have had several more wins. We could have been competing with the Bills for a wildcard spot instead of making excuses for our huge embarrassing losses. We have the worst running game in the history of the Dolphins ... a team that has had many bad years. How much better could we have been if we had improvement  from last year? So much misery for what? So we can win 6 games. Hooray for us!!

We should go at least 5-11 and pick somewhere between 10-15.

The positives are that Flores seems like a really good coach and we have some young talent. The biggest negative is that our best player is a 37 year old QB which was my nightmare since Day 1. You can make an argument for Parker too but he's signed for 1 more year.

I don't know, hard to feel anything but anger an disappointment now that the Steelers and Texans are definitely picking in the 20s while we are picking in the teens. It helps us rebuild but not as much as a franchise QB would.

I'm not sold on Flores yet. We have a couple of receivers playing better but is that Fitz or Flores? I mean we haven't done anything to improve the running game and it's historically bad and we haven't coached up the young QB we traded for. I realize overall the team is buying in but that happens on a lot of teams but then disappears after a short while. Parker has a much larger "bad" sample than his current good streak so I'm still waiting for him to revert back to his old self. At best I'm cautiously optimistic but still think we are in for a world of mediocrity.

I'm very pessimistic after yesterday's game. Honestly I had thought we had a plan but apparently not and that's not very reassuring.

We do have a plan, unfortunately Rosen was complete garbage to the point that we had to go back to Fitzpatrick and he started winning games. In all honesty, this wouldn't be as bad as it is IF the league wasn't such garbage this year. Just last year the #2 pick was taken by a 4-12 team. This year a 4-12 record may not even be a Top 10 pick. We picked the wrong year to tank.

I think Flores got the players to believe i the system because after those first 2 games, no one doubted we would go 0-16 and be outscored by 500 points. Now, we are clearly one of the "hotter" bad teams in the league and can finish almost middle of the pack. I give Coach a lot of credit for that.

My thoughts are that if we didn't sabotage the year in the first place we could have won maybe 9 or 10 games and had a shot at the playoffs this year and built on this season going forward with a lot of young talent. Now we have to replace all that talent just to get back to where we were before the sabotage took place all for the chance of getting a franchise QB that was going to be the savior of the franchise.

In my opinion it's all working out for the best because instead of starting from scratch next year we will be starting next year with something to build on from this year, franchise QB in tow or not. Parker and Giesicki are starting to develop into real threats. A lot of the young talent still on the team is getting a lot of valuable experience. There's a light at the end of the tunnel. Still too dim to make out whether it's an approaching locomotive.

Miami beats the Giants and Bengals.  I think we have a shot with the Jets, they are playing better.  The last game against New England could be tasty. 

Miami pulls off 6-7 wins this year?  I have no issue with that, good for them.

It is good we are winning and I give Flores credit ... I just don't know that was the plan and may actually be hurting us. 6-10 will hurt us even more.  We most likely won't draft a franchise QB nor another Tunsil and the "tanking" mentality cost us Minkah (no way we draft another Minkah). That's hard for me to swallow right now even though I do like that we are trending up. 

Looking at this year's draft class and the only great player was the gimme in Wilkins. IMO we need more of that and the better the pick the more likely that would happen. As it stands I see us drafting more Michael Dieters. 

It makes me feel excited.  It tells me that the players on this team want to win, even though every analyst in the country was deriding them at the start of the season.  These guys that stayed with the team have heart.

For all the talk about sacrificing the future for meaningless wins today, the Tunsil and Minkah trades have likely sacrificed the Dolphins future more than any 2020 Dolphins' draftee will build it.

The reason to stockpile draft picks is PRECISELY to draft players like Tunsil and Minkah, highly-rated players who luckily happen to fall to you.

Minkah? Yes
Tunsil? No

The Minkah trade was bad and only would've been salvaged had the Steelers not been so fucking lucky this year and we were looking at a Top 10 pick.

With Tunsil, you make that trade even if you want to win the Superbowl that year. Laremy is a good left tackle, not a great one. Two 1st Round plus a 2nd and they take Stills off our hands? You always make that trade if you are Miami.

Miami will end up 4-12 and land the #3 overall pick.

I see a lot of sour grapes in here.  Minkah trade had to happen, he didn't want to be here and I don't want a player who quits on his team on his second year in the league.  Boo hoo, you're playing out of position a bit, do what the coach asks of you or leave, it's that simple.  That screams entitlement, I don't care how good he is, and we got another 1st rounder, we didn't lose much in getting rid of him.  Tunsil, we got so much for him, that trade had to happen too.

^^^^^You're nuts if you think we didn't lose much in Minkah. He's an elite player that would still be here if we didn't strip our team down to practice squad players. No way in hell we draft someone even close to his talents with the Pitt pick.

Or if you used him correctly.   He was forced into playing a position that didn't cater to his strong suit.

We got a 1st rounder back for a guy that doesn't want to be here.  We have a culture here he didn't want to buy into.  It sucked to have to get rid of him, hell I've compared him to Ed Reed, but he had to go.  Trust the process...he didn't.  It's that simple.

Tunsil was a top 5 pick that fell to MIA due to shenanigans.

Given the difficulty MIA has had in drafting offensive linemen, I would think the value of a "good" LT (still on a rookie salary!) would be obvious.  MIA is highly unlikely to replace Tunsil with the picks they got from HOU, leaving them net negative.

He didn't want to be here for the same reason Clowney is not in a Dolphins uniform right now: the team is overtly tanking.

The pro-tank faction never seems to acknowledge that side of the equation.  If this team were trying to be competitive, they would have Clowney and Minkah likely would have stayed.  Minkah's disgruntlement didn't just spring forth out of nowhere; being mismanaged by a team that is actively trying to lose creates that situation.

next guy up .. maybe safety just isn't a 1st round type of position and we'd rather have a RT from his draft spot

I've said this before, when discussing the Minkah trade you have to look at the player Miami had and not the player Pittsburgh has now. Their production isn't comparable.

I disagree.

great player in college -> average player in MIA -> great player in PIT (so far)

Who is to blame for that lack of production in MIA?  The same people who were the source of the player's grievances in the first place, and the same people who likely said, "Next man up, we don't coach up disgruntled players around here, we dispose of them.  That is The Patriot Way."

I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it as long as it keeps happening:


In other words, it is perfectly rational to both a) blame Flores for Minkah's lack of production and b) blame Flores for being unwilling or unable to coach Minkah into buying in.  The guy was a safety coach in NE, and he can't get through to a DB?

I agree with this, safety isn't as important IMO.

Regarding a) Minkah played TWO GAMES under Flores. On a team that absolutely sucked and hadn't started to gel at all. Blaming Flores for Minkah's lack of production those two games is absurd.

Mike Westhoff nailed it this morning IMO. He said Miami is doing a lot of great things but they completely missed on getting rid of Tunsil and Minkah. Said there is no way in hell they draft players close in talent let alone equal to what they had. Stated he watches a lot of college football and those players aren't out there for those pics.

^ Agree with Minkah, I think they should have kept him regardless. Even if they had to bench him for attitude issues.

I do not agree with Tunsil. Not only did we get a huge haul for him, he just hadn't shown much at tackle for Miami. He was good, but nowhere near elite or even great. I certainly believed (and continue to believe) he has the potential to be more, but he hasn't shown it yet. He has played very well at times in Houston, but he's been injured and serious penalty machine (2nd most penalized player in the league) - plus he's playing behind a very good quarterback who's posted > 100 passer ratings his first two years in the season.

and that's fine CF but tunsil turned into 2 1sts and a 2nd .. i'll take 3 guys that are 80% of tunsil over 1 100% tunsil

and minkah was a political move .. the dolphins could have played hardball and said .. screw you .. you're under contract .. get your ass out there and play the game and he could have had a miraculous "back injury" like jalen ramsey that cleared up as soon as he was traded.

I think we all agree on Minkah that it was a bad trade and an organizational failure. Wouldn't be AS bad if the league wasn't so bad and the Steelers weren't so lucky, but unless it was a Top 5 pick it was bad.

However, Tunsil was just solid, that's it. Two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder? You make that trade every day. That was an amazing trade for our front office that really helps our rebuild by adding good players all over the field.

I don't see the trade with Minkah as a "bad trade".  It's not ideal, ideal would be him buying into the process, sticking with the team and getting a big contract like Howard got.  He didn't want to be here, and we got something back for him, I'm happy we got a 1st rounder for cutting our losses.  We had a culture of overpaid players that didn't play to their potential.  It seems there are the "rebuild people" and the "build off what we had" people on this board.  I'm completely okay that we blew it up and are building from square one.

You are misunderstanding me a little. All I mean is you can't judge the value of the Minkah trade based on Pittsburgh production. Regardless of who or why, Miami couldn't get that out of him.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Minkah didn't go to another team and IMMEDIATELY (as in, within 2 games) start having a major impact.