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The Dolphins jettisoned Tannehill with the logic they needed a franchise QB to lead them to the promise land. Tennessee is the team everyone said Tanny needed to be successful while KC is led by one of the most prolific QBs in the league. Basically whoever wins this game will prove which theory is correct. Should be fun either way.

I think you can already say that Miami made a mistake with Tannehill. Not really in letting him go but more thinking that it was him that was the reason that Miami couldn't make the playoffs. That's pretty much already been debunked.

The only thing left for him to prove is can he lead his team to a Superbowl win? I personally would love to see it.

Regardless of this weekend Tannehill has proven to be a capable QB, and Gase has proven to be a moron.

I don't disagree. I was one of Tanny's biggest supporters and always felt they left him to get beat up until his knee finally gave out. I also felt it was the right thing for him to move on just to get a fresh start for both of us.

The question to be answered is having a great all around team better than having a franchise qb? These two teams couldn't be more opposite so it should be fun.

Dan Marino (along with others) has already proved that just having a franchise QB is not enough to win a Superbowl. If KC wins, it won't be JUST because of Mahomes. There are 21 other guys not counting special teams that must contribute so I don't think it's really a fair comparison. It's not like everyone BUT Mahomes is average or worse. That's not even close to being true. KC is loaded across the board on offense.

I'll try again. One team relies on their franchise QB while the other is just a piece of the puzzle. Supposedly we have moved on in order to get a franchise QB and build a similar team so it will be interesting to see which theory wins this game.

Let me put it this way. The fact that these 2 teams are in the AFC championship proves that BOTH are legit options along with every other combination. There's not 1 way to build a SB champion, there are multiple ways. People just think it's easier to build a SB Champion by finding a franchise QB first and then the rest will just magically fall into place. It doesn't work that way. You could build the team first and then find the QB last. That's essentially what Tennessee did this year and it worked...regardless if they win the SB or not.

Put Moore in there and they win games too...

Exactly. Mahomes is NOT the KC Chiefs even though people want to give him all the credit and if they do win the SB, then Mahomes will have won a SB despite the fact that everyone on the team contributed. It's as ridiculous as saying that Tannehill won the SB if the Titans win it. QB's do not win SB's I don't care who they are.

And the 1985 Bears proved it wasn't necessary.

But by the same token, I'm fairly confident that the Titans would not be in this position if Mariota played all season instead of Tannehill. Hence, Tannehill get credit for being a missing piece of the puzzle.

Agreed. Mahomes is also only a piece of the KC puzzle. He's undoutedly a bigger piece then Tannehill is, but still just a piece. The complete puzzle is the KC Chiefs.

Now Mahomes isn't a franchise QB but just a piece of the puzzle ... like Tannehill? So what won the SB by themselves and are legitimate franchise QBs? I seem to draw a blank on those.

No Mahomes IS a franchise QB which is STILL just a piece of the puzzle. QB's don't stand out there by themselves, they have a line that blocks for them, they have RB's that run the ball for them and they have WR's and TE's that catch the ball and they don't play on the defense nor the special teams. They are simply one piece of the puzzle. That's it. Doesn't matter if it's Patrick Mahomes or Ryan Tannehill. No QB has EVER won the SB by themselves. They give all the players on the team and the coaching staff a SB ring, not just the QB.

You can keep a franchise quarterback around for a lot longer. That's the worth, IMHO, compared to "just" building a championship team. As long as your quarterback doesn't break, you'll be in contention for a decade or more.

Of course, finding that franchise quarterback shouldn't dissuade one from actually building a top team around him. The two methods are not mutually exclusive, except to the extent that your quarterback drains cap space. We've seen plenty of situations with top-tier quarterbacks where the skill at that position masked the fact that the coach / front office should have been replaced.

That's really not fair to Tannehill. Maybe you could say that the Dolphins mistake with Tannehill was not knowing how to use him. Obviously Tannehill was a victim of poor coaching in Miami and being in the wrong system.

BINGO. They took a vote on the Joe Rose show and over 70% (of like 1500 responses) said they were happy to have Tannehill in the Super Bowl. I really don't get the hate of him from the other almost 30% ... many who completely blame him for all the issues we've had.

Kenny Stills had this to say about Ryan ...

"All the stars are aligning for Ryan right now. It's not just because of Derrick Henry. Ryan's a great player, too. The change of scenery has helped him a bunch," Houston Texans receiver Kenny Stills, who played with Tannehill in Miami from 2015 through 2018, told ESPN. "If you're a football fan and pay attention to the details of the quarterback position, then you appreciated Ryan," Stills said. "If you're a Dolphins fan and don't have respect for him, I don't know what football you were watching.

He can throw 19 picks on Sunday and it's still obvious that he could succeed under the right environment and that was not what we provided for him here in Miami. He set franchise records for sacks, had little offensive talent surrounding him and we switched up coordinators and coaches all the time while he was here.

I hope he wins the Superbowl and gets paid $35 Million a year in the offseason. He is a great guy and teammate, we screwed this up.

The blog post on the main page of this forum is calling for Tannehill to be benched, just say’in.

...to protect him from getting hurt. Just say'n. :)

I don't know why Gase gets the blame for Tannehill.  IMO it was Philbin that really screwed up Tannehill's development.  Under Gase, I blame Tannehill for not having surgery to correct his injury the first time, I don't think Gase can be blamed for that.

Don't get me wrong I liked Tannehill while he was here, and I like him with the Titans.  But he's still the same 15th best QB in the league, maybe he's moved a little up the list but he's not a top 10 QB.

I don't believe this is entirely accurate.  His contract was up and Miami would have had to pay him a very large sum of money to keep; when management knew they were not going to be able to compete for the playoffs during this period.  I believe letting Tannehill go was more about creating cap space to build from the bottom up.

His contract was not up.  He was traded to TEN.

Like Spider said ... we traded Tannehill and even paid 5 million of his salary this season in order for them to take him.  No matter what happens Sunday ... Tenn made out like bandits on the trade.

This is how you ruin a young QB

"Did you guys say my name?" - Josh Rosen

Murray could do more with the same teamates.  Fitzpatrick could do more with the same teammates.  Maybe its you.

I have always been a fan of Tannehill and thought he was a good player.

So, were the Dolphins right about Tannehill or is he great?  Maybe both.

We were in a position where we kinda had to move on.  He wasn't developing here, with our staff, players, and contract structure.  We were going to have to pay such a price for him that we'd likely stay bad, anyway.  I don't blame the Dolphins for cutting bait, but I'm also glad he's doing well in Tennessee.  It's a good thing for him.

yes, because comparing 22 year old Rosen to two QBs who are known to have extremely good escapablilty, especially one who is 37 and been around the block a few time is fair....

It's like you forget how young some of these guys are.  Not saying Rosen is good, he's been far from it, but until this happens again next year, you're just jumping the gun at this point.  If he still sucks after sitting for a year behind a proven veteran, then I will give him the bust label.

Tannehill was set up to fail in Miami. Rosen is set up to fail too unless the dolphins put some blockers in front of him.

True, technically he was still under contract with the Dolphins for 2019 and 2020, but NONE of his salary for those years was guaranteed, so he wasn't gonna step foot on the field without a new contract guaranteeing him money.  And without going back and looking I seem to recall the $5M payment was a salary cap type issue, which most on here at the time thought was a great idea by the front office.  I agree 100% this ended up being a blockbuster deal for Tenn, but who on this site foresaw Tannehill succeeding like he has this year?

...what?

If he's still on the team, he gets paid.  Every player has that guarantee.

MIA had three options:

1) keep him (and pay him what he is due according to his contract)
2) cut him (and take a cap hit for the acceleration of his original signing bonus)
3) trade him

They chose option 3.

I'm late to this discussion and have missed a lot of it.  This weekend won't decide this, a road game in the playoffs (AFC title game).  This was already decided.  Tanney, in the right system is a good QB.  He wasn't used right (although he had good talent around him).

This falls on ownership first and then coaches.  We will be able to watch his success from afar. 

Good on Tannehill getting the Titans to the AFC title, finally falling to the Chiefs.  He had a hell of a season for them and definitely gave that team & offense the jolt they needed.

I think MIA failed him in getting a good OL for an extended period of time with the team.  There was a time when Pouncey, Tunsil, Albert, bushrod and James were on the line and they played pretty damn good.  Problem was, too many injuries along that front and they couldn't sustain long periods of all being on the field.

Compound that with MIA not having a consistent running game and Tannehill was setup to fail.  Great team player and tough as nails (he got hit enough) but I stand behind MIA trading this past offseason and moving on from him.

He'll get a nice paycheck this upcoming 2020 season.

from new england

You don't think TEN will lock him up? I know Henry is a must as well, but looks like the Mariota experiment s over. We'll see.

Titans should lock him up long term, he did a great job for them and they are a team on the rise. I don't think he will ask for Rodgers money but you never know. They have the cap space for him and Henry.

Let's hope they knock out the Texans next year and get us better draft picks.

They better not let either Tanny or Henry hit free agency. I'm sure they are busting their arse to get a deal done.

NE is rarely the highest bidder.  But if he is interested in showing Miami twice a year what a big mistake they made NE is his best (only) option.

I don't think he feels that way because there wasn't bad blood with how it ended and everyone pretty much agrees the Dolphins were the ones who screwed it up. No doubters to prove wrong when everyone basically took your side.

We all saw the real Tannehill on display Sunday.   Better than average but not good enough to get your team over the hump.  The Chiefs contained Derrick Henry, something the Pats and Ravens couldn't do.   Once they forced Tannehill to beat them throwing the ball, it was really no contest.

Better than average is more than enough to win in this league if you have a good team around you. Going 23 for 30 for 280 yards and 2 TDs can make you a rich man in this league and better than what most teams got.

Tannyhill and Garrapolo should both be fined for their playoff performances. Maybe even suspended a few games next season.

You people crack me up where anything less than everything means he sucks. Garrapolo had a statistically worse game than Ryan did the whole playoffs (77 yards & 0 TDs)  and yet no one is saying he doesn't deserve to be going. Ryan had 2 TDs, zero INTs and a QBR of over 108 in the freaking AFC Championship. LOL ... 28 other starting QBs would have loved to be in that position.

I don't get the sense there is a ton of bad blood.  But if he plays for NE next year it would most likely a combo of wanting to play against Mia and having respect for BB giving him the best chance to win a ring rather than NE outbidding everyone else.

He gets to go to the probowl now.

Awesome that he is going to the Pro Bowl, he deserves it for the year that he had.

If this isn't reactionary I don't know what it.

Road game in one of the hardest places to play, after beating NE and BAL on the road AND he played really, really well.

So, yes - RT did show the world who he is.  Someone a team can trust their franchise with, under the right system and with good talent around him. 

Tannehill is an elite game manager.  Many teams have won superbowls with game managers.