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Seems to me that most people are hoping that Tom Brady does well on his own while wanting Bill Bellichick to fail miserably without Tom ... but that could obviously be skewed by being in Central Florida. This got me to thinking about how most people feel about the two and so the poll question was created.  

Which option best fits how you feel about Tom Brady vs Bill Bellichick?

could not care less :)

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I'd like both to fail. Miserably.

I am hoping the team coached by BB prevails over the team Brady is the QB in the next superbowl.

you can hope in one hand and shit in the other....

I got halfway to last year's goal.  Jimmy G losing  :) to Tom Brady 😞

...and which one stinks worse is a question for the philosophers.

I have been saying for a long time that Brady is horribly overrated.  Has been for a few years.  People tell me I'm crazy, and that's fine.  I feel like I'll be proven right in a few months.

I think Bellichick is the glue that held that team together by using his brains to find creative ways to gain advantages.  He's a brilliant strategist.  But he operates outside the lines sometimes, and only been caught twice (3 times?).  Who knows how many of those magical "the headsets on the visitors sidelines stopped working" instances were on purpose.

I think the Patriots will be just fine without Brady.  They've proven it in the past.  I think the Bucs finish 6-10 and Brady retires.

He has won 6 SB often with WR that were considered mediocre until he started throwing the ball to them.  And is at or near the top of all QB stats. What more do you want?

As for you being proven correct, that wouldn’t happen,  Even if he is horrible this year the only thing it proves is that father time is undefeated and BB’s philosophy that it is better to move on from a player too early rather than too late is still fundamentally sound.

I don't think you can be proven right, regardless of what happens in Tampa. 

Brady has proven to be one of the best ever.  He just has too much longevity in his greatness, over different coordinators, supporting players, etc.  You can be a system guy for a couple of years or whatever.  Not multiple decades.

Even if he totally doesn't fit in Tampa, he'd just be another in a long line of great players that ended their career elsewhere with a fizzle.

I'm pretty much with you word for word. Note that I don't think Brady is a bad QB, I think he's a terrific QB, but not GOAT like most think of him. On another team he would have won maybe 1 SB. Maybe. Belichick without Brady I think still wins 2 or 3 championships and maybe more depending upon who you replace him with. Drew Brees on New England, they still win 6 championships. I would not be shocked to the see the Patriots win 10 games nor would I be shocked to see the Bucs win 6.

I don't understand how one squares "Brady is an overrated system QB" with his 2007 season.  When he had Pro Bowl-quality WRs, he set every passing record.

I do expect Brady to do worse this season, but that's because he's ancient.  It doesn't "prove" that he is overrated any more than Emmitt Smith's time in a Cardinals uniform "proved" he was overrated.

Saw this on NFL memes this morning and laughed hard enough to snort coffee out of my left nostril... 

A definite sign of the Apocalypse.  :o

He would have to change numbers N'Keal Harry already has 15.

Yeah, I can see that being a deal-breaker... ;)

It will be a real interesting couple of years coming up - and I think it will reflect more on Bellichick's legacy than Brady's.

For a long time the two will be tied together - and that's fair enough, the success they have achieved has been phenomenal - the question is will one/both succeed without the other?

BB failed once before at Cleveland, and he has not made the playoffs once without Brady under center - that is one huge question mark on what has otherwise been a GOAT career. Truly great coaches succeed no matter who their Quarterback is, that's the one huge thing Shula has over BB when you look at the best of the best. This is his time to prove it.

Brady's place in history is already secured, in many ways his career mirrors Joe Montana (who I personally regard as the GOAT in a different era, albeit a rival who snatched away a Superbowl trophy from our Dolphins). Montana succeeded under the Walsh system, he made Siebert look good for a couple of years (who then traded him away and leaned on Steve Young until he broke) and brought his magic for a couple of years to Kansas City - if it wasn't for the brutal era that he played I am sure he would have racked up more success that others would still be chasing. This is Brady's chance he can do the same away from the cocooned bubble of New England, if he propels a middling franchise to the playoffs that's another feather in his cap.

I think that Bellichic has a better chance of succeeding without Brady.

Actually BB won a playoff game in Cleveland without Brady. 😀 It was against NEP.  😢

Wow, totally forgot about that.

Still, BB's tenure at Cleveland would hardly be called a success, even if it was not quite as bad as I initially thought.

Im critically inclined to dislike Both  BB and TB12  but I rather see BB and NE go back to shit

I despise both men and they are garbage humans, but Bill is clearly the worse of the two. I would live NE to collapse and Bill retire before beating Shula’s record. I hope but nothing for failure for him. I don’t want Beady to succeed necessarily but I could live with him doing well if it means Bill fails.

Will be interesting to see who has a better season....Cam or Tom

Tom because I don't see Cam starting until around their bye week

Belichick 1
Brady 0

nailed it.

whoops, that didn't age well

Brady gets better as the season goes so it's not hard to see Tampa becoming a much better team. Kind of hard to start the season on a new team against one of the best teams in the league.

Bit of trivia I just heard.....five veteran QBs got a new home to start this week.  Four were on the losing end.   

Now they are both 1-1

Bill Belichick cost the Patriots an almost certain victory with his clock management.  There was no reason not call timeout after the catch with 29 seconds left.

He has made many insanely dumb decisions during his career.  Usually he doesn't have to pay for them because his opponents trump that by doing something even stupider.

Some people compared it to the end of Super Bowl XLIX, when he did not call a timeout, but that was smart of him because of the situation.

It was first and goal.  The Seahawks ran the ball.  The Patriots had two timeouts left.  Even if they had called one, the Seahawks could have run most of the clock down on second and third down.  He knew it would come down to a goal line stand.

Sure looks like Brady is winning this competition. Brady has gone from making a team of nobodies successful to being on an all-star team.

QB is the most important position and the Patriots don't have one, its as simple as that. I feel that the Pats would be at least 4-2 if they had Fitzpatrick as their QB.

If they are willing to give up next year's First Round Pick, they can have him.   ;D

Don’t see that happening.  Realistically he is worth a 3rd or 4th round pick. 

I agree, the  ;D in my post was my way of saying that I wasn't being serious.  The only team I could see making a legit offer for Fitz would be the Cowboys if Dalton is going to miss multiple weeks with his concussion.  The NFC East is weak enough that the Cowboys still have a decent shot at winning the division so they might be willing to overpay for Fitz in order to try to win their weak division.  And the two teams have a long history of trades between the two of them.   

God, the NFC East. They could honestly have a 5-11 division champion.

I was wondering the other day what the lowest win total could be.  It will definitely be a losing record to win their division, I can't see any of those teams winning 8 games.

In theory the lowest is 3-13 or 0–10-6 ( or equivalent).  All 4 teams lose all non-division games and split the division.  Someone has to win the division. 

As it stands right now the worst possible would be 4-11-1.  (or equivalent)

Right now, it seems to me that PHI is (like ATL) a team with 10-win talent that is just playing extremely poorly.  DAL was done the moment Dak went down; NYG and WSH are just terrible.