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Texans got killed by the Chiefs and only made it seem close with garbage time TDs. It appears that Hopkins was sorely missed. Hopefully, this is a running theme for the season.

We are now on pace for the #1 pick in the draft!

I was thinking the same thing as I was watching the game.  I'd love to see the Texans have a terrible season so the Fins get a better draft pick from last year's trade, but the Chiefs can make anyone look bad, so I'm trying to keep my enthusiasm in check. 

It's hard to take anything too serious in week one and I'd expect this year to be worse than most seeing a how the off season went. It is nice to see them start with a loss though. Each one that they get is better for us.

I genuinely think they will go 6-10. They got a lot of close wins last season and they lost their star wideout because the coach didn't want to pay him, not even attitude problems. I think they are a worse team from last season and with really no future due to no draft picks, I think the team implodes late in the year.

I hate to be the wet blanket here, but it is just one game, and even without Hopkins, I fully expect Houston to be in the playoffs this year.

That kid from LSU, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, is gonna be special in this league.  He balled out last night.  After watching his performance last year against Bama, I knew he was the real deal but I figured he'd go third or low second round because of his size.  The Chiefs picked him at the bottom of the first round and he proved to be deserving of it.

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Got beat up by the Ravens today and next week they are at Pittsburgh, so it won't be an easy one either. The team is built to win right now because they have no draft picks and the players know this. They also know the coach is an asshole who will actively make his team worse if he doesn't like a player. So, they start off 1-5 and the Titans are say 5-1, then things can get very ugly very quickly.

Looking good for Miami.

If by any chance, you guys end up with a top 2 pick either by your team's performance or Houston's, then that will be a huge huge deal.  Because you guys aren't needing a QB and can trade down to a team who is hoping to get Lawrence or Fields.  That will net you a slew of draft picks. 

Each week Houston loses makes that look more and more likely.

I don't think either team will be in a position for that, but you never know. Some years a 5-11 record can get you a Top 3 pick.

I was thinking the same thing...no chance of either pick landing in the top-2.

It would be nice though...

Houston has a brutal start to their schedule.  It will be very interesting to see how the season plays out for both the Fins and the Texans.  Miami clearly isn't playoff caliber yet so I wouldn't mind it at all if both Miami and the Texans end up with records that give Miami two top half of the first round picks. 

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They played well against a solid Steelers team and lost by 7 points. Probably their best game played so far but they are still 0-3 now while the Titans are 3-0. Plenty of football left, but it looks like if they make the playoffs, it will have to be as a Wild Card.

Next week is against the Vikings and they are also 0-3, so whoever loses that game is missing the playoffs. If the Texans go 0-4, then I don't think they are even going to rebound to be 6-10. There is no help coming in terms of the draft and their cap situation. They will almost certainly have to cut JJ Watt or do a big restructuring. Management loves Bill O'Brien so no midseason firings will be coming.

This is glorious for us. I'm starting to get greedy like we were last year with the Steelers and thinking we would get a Top 10 pick. Not there yet, but it's looking good.

I completely forgot that we got the Texans 1st AND 2nd Round picks in the 2021 draft. Draft watching makes the season more exciting, we should do this every year.

^^^ Vegas odds for draft order at Fanspeak has Miami with the #7 overall and Houston with the #10 overall.

The draft is different from year to year, you can have 5 wins and pick 7th or get the #1 pick. If Houston loses next week, I would put a few bucks down on Miami finishing with a better record than them.

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Things are looking REAL good for us right now. It was a close game but the Vikings aren't world beaters and they played better. Next week is against the Jags and it's winnable, but the week after is against the Titans and as long as there isn't some Covid shenanigans going on with that game, it is very likely the Texans start 1-5. With the way the NY teams are playing, forget about the top two picks, but at 1-5, we should realistically be thinking about a Top 10 pick. Hopefully, ours is much better.

I forget. How did Miami pull off owning Houston's draft. Was it for Stills? And Tunsil?

Yes, the Miami front office showed Tunsil the trade proposal on the blackboard and he said he would trade him too.

Walter Football now has Miami projected with the #4 and #8 picks in round 1... not bad at all.

I'm sure your 49ers will help Miami's draft pick status this weekend.   :)

I sure as fluck hope so... Hopefully we will have Jimmy-G back this week.

We've been competitive against good teams and we got some easy ones coming up. We can really have 6-7 wins when the season is over. That being said, hard to say where that falls in the draft. The Giants, Jets and Falcons are truly terrible teams, so even 3 wins means you could pick 4th or 5th. The Texans are 0-4 right now and picking 4th.

How about Patrick Surtain II being a top 15 prospect.  Makes me feel old.

I've drafted him a half dozen times so far between #9-#12...I really like the kid

Too bad we are set at CB unless we want to cut bait with Xavier and his injuries.

In today's pass crazy NFL, I don't think you can ever have too many quality DBs.  If we didn't have two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders next year, I would agree with you that they have much bigger needs than CB.  But with 4 picks in the first two rounds, I wouldn't mind at all if they spent one of them on a DB. 

If feasible with the salary cap, I would absolutely dump Xavier for Surtain. X has had a ton of injuries and personal issues, can't have that when you are the 2nd highest paid CB in the league. Unfortunately, I think we can't cut him until after the 2021 season or be killed with the cap hit.

Yep, I think you are right about a lot of the decision being salary cap driven.  I'm not sure how it works with Howard's contract. 

1-4

Man, the Jaguars are a HORRIBLE franchise. Just got blown out by this shitty Texans team but this was expected. The true test is next week(maybe?) against the Titans. If Tennessee is healthy, they should win. If they lose, then sadly this could be the start of a Texans run. 2-4 can be salvaged, 1-5 and it's demoralizing.

Insane game right now against the Titans. I feared that the Texans would wake up when O'Brien left and they did. Texans came back from a 21-10 second half deficit and the Titans needed a huge drive just to tie it up with 4 seconds left and send it to OT, assuming the Texans don't return the kickoff 100 yards.

Still, a loss and they would be 1-5 heading to Green Bay and 1-6 can be demoralizing enough. A win now? They could start a run and screw up our draft picks. Let us pray.

1-5

WOO HOO!!!

Aww man, that was crazy. Insane game from these two but King Henry and MVP Tanny were just a little too much. Texans played like a different team because O'Brien is not hindering Watson anymore. Too bad for him Bill removed his supporting cast. Next week they play the Packers and a very good shot at 1-6 which would all but eliminate them from the playoffs. Once that happens, depression sets in and hopefully more losses.

Fins Up!

Texans have the 6th hardest SOS remaining. Of course, that is based on current records and are subject to change.

The Texans played a very good Titans team way too closely.  They need to take their effort and performance back down a few notches. 

If they lose next week to the Packers, they are 1-6 and the playoffs are basically over. They would then have to go 8-1 just to be 9-7 and that isn't even a guarantee of a playoff spot most years due to tiebreakers. That's why a lot of their beat reporters are talking about a firesale if they lose. They are $6 Million over the cap for next season and we all know they don't have any good draft picks. So, trading Watt and Stills and even Fuller for draft picks would jump start their rebuild. They are fortunate enough to have their franchise QB already in place so it might not be a long one if they hire the right people.

That being said, if they do go ahead with it after Sunday, this could be a 3-4 win season and that is almost guaranteed to be a Top 5 pick.

With the QB class expected for next year's draft, having a top-5 pick will likely mean quite a few teams interested in trading up...and that is very good.

Absolutely, but unfortunately the top contenders for the first 5 picks all need QBs so we may see a bizarre draft where the first 4 picks are all QBs. Jets, Giants, Redskins, Jaguars and Vikings all suck and will draft a QB if one is available and projected to go in the 1st round. With the Giants, I am assuming Jones continues to fumble and throw picks like his life depends on it. So, let's hope the Texans do what we did last year and burn it all down and win 2 games max.

The fact that the Texans don't own their first two picks is itself a pretty strong disincentive towards selling off parts and mailing it in.

I would agree with this if it were the start of the season and they were 3-2, knowing this year is basically the end of their championship window. However, they are 1-5 and when they hit 1-6, would need to go 9-0 to get to 10-6 and make the playoffs. Knowing that, it would be a crime not to have a firesale to help rebuild. Only other options are go 4-12 this year and 4-12 next year because no draft picks or free agent signings are coming and maybe 4-12 the year after that as well.

They have to sell and I think they will after Sunday.

not for nothing but now's the year to do it too .. what are fans going to do .. not buy tickets to their games ?

Excellent point. With a new head coach and GM, you can sell hope to the fanbase for 2021. After all, they still have DeShaun Watson and that is miles ahead of most rebuilding teams. If I was a Texans fan, I would want a fire sale after Sunday. Even if they win, I would still want it because it's Superbowl or bust and they're not making the Superbowl.

That is a very good point.  Now I'm curious as to how much (if at all) teams take the mostly empty stadiums into account in their advance planning for next year. 

What firesale?  This is the NFL.  Teams regularly go from a losing record directly to the Super Bowl.

In fact, in 3 of the last 5 Super Bowls, at least one of the conference champions had a losing record in the previous season.

Did those teams have draft picks before the 3rd round and cap space? In general, I agree with you that it can be done, but not with the Texans. This exact team or worse is what will be on the field next year because they don't have high draft picks or the ability to sign anyone good in free agency. That's why they need to blow it up, Bill O'Brien did monumental harm to this franchise.

FWIW, Deshaun Watson told the media that no one is going anywhere and there will be no fire sale. His opinion has to be respected by the front office but he isn't in charge. Ultimately, the Owner will make the call and I'm sure Sunday's game will help his decision making.

21-0 Packers at the half.....well, 15 seconds before the half so let's hope there is a momentum changing kickoff.

If this turns into a 30 point loss, how can ownership not justify a fire sale? 1-6, no draft picks or cap space.

1-6

Score was nowhere near as close as this game was. Texans got destroyed by a very good team. They now need to either go 8-1 and hope for some tiebreakers or 9-0 for a Wild Card spot. They have one of the tough schedules remaining and only one game against the pathetic Jaguars. It's not just wishful thinking on my part but I think they will go ahead for a fire sale. At the very least, be open to listening to everything offered. You can't have the exact same team that is 1-6 going into 2021 and expect a much different result.

Right now we own the 4th overall pick but lot of football left. A meaningless 3 game winning streak can drop us 10 spots and I don't think the Jets are going to win a game this year if they don't fire Adam Gase. Best case scenario right now is we somehow get the #2 pick and ransom it off to QB needy teams who want Justin Fields.

^^^ Miami just may need to lose their remaining game against the Jets to improve the Texans draft pick.

I don't see the Texans finishing with less than 3 wins, they do have talent on that team. Problem is, 0-16 is very feasible for the Jets if they don't fire Gase soon so even that win against us won't matter.

Bye week but the Vikings pulled off a huge upset to get their 2nd win and so did Cincy who now has 2 wins and a tie. Jets lost of course and they are going 0-16, absolutely wretched team. Still, if the Texans sell off some talent in the next 2 days, a Top 5 pick can still be in the cards.

I'm hoping the Jets can manufacture some wins and the Cowgirls continue to suck. I really don't want Trevor Lawrence in our division.

It's not impossible for them to win 2-3 games, but I don't see any wins until Gase is fired. No reason to delay the inevitable but these are the Jets.

Giants are fierce competition for that top spot as well.

Texans are officially the 4th pick in the draft as of right now.

Yeah but it's still very early in the year. A win by them next week and they can drop to 10th. Fortunately, the NFC East teams will win against each other and I guess the AFC East teams below us as well. In August, we would've been ecstatic with a Top 10 pick and we still should be but the way they started, we all want Top 5 now.

According to their owner, they "like their players" and will not be having a fire sale. Could just be posturing but he is delusional enough to think this is a good idea.

Based on next Weeks Schedule games to watch would be

Giants 1-6 Vs Washington 2-5
Texans 1-6 Vs Jacksonsville 1-6
Pats 2-5 Vs Jets 0-8

Then You could add other 2 wins teams which we should all want to win

Broncos 3-4 Vs Falcons 2-6
Lions 3-4 Vs Vikings 2-5
Raiders 4-3 Vs Chargers 2-5
Steelers 7-0 Vs Cowboys 2-6

So We should be rooting for Giants, Jaguars, Pats, Falcons, Vikings, Chargers and Cowboys.

Giants beating the Bucs 17-15 heading into the 4th. This would be huge for our draft pick.

Giants lose......of course. Jones is terrible and might be benched soon. Any mock draft that has them picking second and not taking a QB is a joke. Depending on who is #3, we might see QBs taken with the first 3 picks.

Not sure if true but I heard that the Jets have never fired anyone during the season. Woody is an old school owner.

That's probably right since Kotite went 3-13 in 1995 and then 1-15 in 1996 instead of being fired halfway through. Plus, we all know the saga of Rex Ryan and how they held onto him for too long.

I just looked up the Jets head coaches. They only have two in their history with a winning record and one only coached a year. Man they suck.

It's time to start putting some money down on betting sites that they go 0-16. The odds won't be this good for much longer. By Week 13 it will be even money.

The Texans didn't make one move. They wanted too much for Fuller and now he will walk as a free agent because they don't have the cap space for him.

This may be the second worst run franchise in the NFL. The owner said the playoffs were a possibility THIS YEAR. I hope they lose out, not just for the draft picks but because the owner deserves it. Go 2-14, not have your first pick until the 3rd round and be over the cap at the same time. I'm sure the 2021 team will win the division.

The Texans just had a COVID outbreak. So far, 3 linebackers are out including Mercilus, Dylan Cole and Jake Martin but there may be others. I wish them nothing but the best and hope they are fine in a few days with no symptoms, but it's noteworthy for Sunday's game.

At this point I could see the game pushed to Monday or Tuesday to be safe.


They probably should just call it a tie and move on to the following week since they are playing the Jags. lol

"Instead of moving you to prime time on Tuesday, you will each be given a loss so we won't have to subject the country to your sad style of football."

2-6

Shit! The Texans beat the Jags by 2 points because they couldn't nail the 2 point conversion. This is a terrible fucking team and they shouldn't be rewarded with victories.

Hopefully, this is their last win of the season. They don't get to play the Jaguars anymore so it is possible.

Would have been nice to see the Jags win, but I'm encouraged by the fact that a horrible team like the Jags played the Texans tough.  Too early in the year to spend any time trying to figure out what their pick will be so I'm just going to keep rooting for them to lose every week.

Yeah, I'm not really watching the draft standings and doing mocks based off of those. I'm just rooting for them to lose and the other shitty teams to win. Anything before Week 15 is way premature.

When it comes to mock drafts, I have no problem whatsoever with being premature. :-)

The problems with those are if the Texans stay in the 3-5 range for many weeks, you start talking yourself into a player like Ja'Marr Chase and how much he will help the team, and then the Texans win in Week 17 and you're picking 7th now and Chase is gone. So, you end up having the 7th overall pick but being disappointed with it.

Yeah, none of that really applies to me. There are always a half dozen players, minimum, that I like for each draft slot...or each position of need. My goal when I mock is to add as much talent across all of the positions of need. No Jamarr Chase? No problem... I like Waddle later in the round...I like Rico Collins in round 3.

The biggest reason that I like mocking early is that it puts players in my head that I might not have considered before, and gives me more reasons to watch specific college games.

Jets up 10 over the Patriots heading to the 4th. This would be the Jets first win and solidify the Patriots as a terrible team. Draft implications galore.

EDIT: And they lost because they are the Jets and losing is what they do. They are playing more competitively lately though and could end up with 1-2 wins, hopefully none against us.

The Redskins, Giants and Cowboys are currently drafting 3, 4 and 5 which is so bad that the NFC East should be relegated. Bring up the ACC in it's place.

2-7

Losers! It was a boring game in Cleveland due to the weather but the Texans still lost. At this point, even with the expanded format, the Texans would have to go 7-0 to have a shot at the playoffs. The worst ownership in the league.

The Giants won as well, leapfrogging Houston in the draft order. Sadly, the Jags lost a close one and the Redskins lost on a 59 yard FG as time expired so both are still ahead of H0uston in the drafting order. Currently, we will pick 5th.  I think we would all be thrilled with that, we just have fantasies of the Jets and Jaguars winning a few close ones and us getting a Top 2 pick so we could hold it for ransom.

Sadly, the Browns winning hurts Miami's playoff chances

Yeah, but at 6-3 we control our own destiny right now. So, let them beat the Texans.

But do you think they can really defeat the Chiefs?

It's time to stop worrying about this and focus on the playoff push

Anything is possible, but we don't have to go undefeated to get in. 3 more losses leaves us at 10-6 and with a 7 team playoff, that has to be enough.

Don't know if it wiil be, Until I can crunch the numbers

LOL, perfect.

Tunsil is out today against the Patriots with the flu, so Watson doesn't even have one good linemen protecting him. Patriots pass rush is crap but it's still a good development for them.

3-7

Fucking Patriots. How shitty can you be? Did Belichick even prepare for this season?

This is going to knock us out of the Top 10 in all likelihood. The top 2 spots are pretty much guaranteed to be the Jets and Jaguars right now.

Not to mention Joe Burrow sustained a serious knee injury and is out for the remainder of the season.   Looks like that pick will be outside the top five.

Yeah, this week just ended that dream. Now, just have to hope we stay in the Top 10. Patriots really shit the bed and ended their season with this week's performance. They were on the outside looking in but now the door is closed.

They've made the playoffs the past 12 seasons and 18 out of the past 19.   That's no small feat.

It's an incredible accomplishment, especially when you consider the one year they missed the playoffs they were 11-5. However, it still doesn't mean this year's team isn't embarrassing and Belichick just didn't prepare to contend this year. Not just Brady leaving but not having enough talent throughout the roster.

Here's an interesting fact

Four times the Patriots have been inside two minutes inside their opponents territory this year going for the game tying or game winning score.

All four times they have failed.

Seattle
Denver
Bufffalo
Houston

More like it's proof that Tom Brady really carried that franchise in his later years.  Without him, they would've never won the last three Super Bowls that they did.

I would say that with a lesser head coach, NE doesn't hold the #2 offense in the league to 3 points in the Super Bowl.

The 13 points Brady put up on offense was an extremely humble performance.

That Rams defense was all world as well.  With Suh and Donald wreaking havoc up front and Joyner, Peters, and Talib patroling the secondary, they could've stopped about anyone. 

The 2018 Patriots had the #4 offense and the #7 defense.
The 2018 Rams had the #2 offense and the #20 defense.

I do not like statements like these.  They are very misleading.

You actually have to watch the games and how they played out.

The best example of how this is misleading is the 2006 Patriots.

You could say, "Man, Brady was so awesome that year.  He took that team to the AFC title game with a shitty receiving corps.  He only had Gaffney and Caldwell (RIP)."

However, the truth of the matter is, the Patriots reached that AFC title game IN SPITE OF BRADY.  He played horrible in the Divisional playoff game against SD, but the Chargers were determined to lose that game, and did everything they could to make sure they did.

I don't categorize a team's entire season by the performance of one player in one game.
That would be "misleading."

And I'd say that was all Flores, and he did the same exact thing to them this year.

This coming from the guy who offers up his "expert analysis" after every Dolphin game even though he doesn't watch any of them.  The  unintentional hilarity that you bring to the board is chock full of greatness. 

I'm convinced he's just a troll, he's had us all going for years now.

Ha, I've said the same thing for years.  Nobody can be that dumb. 

So...first time dealing with human beings?   ;)

Touche'.   Having spent most of my career working for Uncle Sam, I should be immune to "dumb" by now. 

Enough with the personal attacks, please.  If you disagree with a statement, say so and/or explain why.

You can't possibly believe that Flores was the power behind the throne in New England.  Come on.

edit: LAR isn't a top 2 offense this year, and the 17 points Flores's team allowed would not have been enough to win that SB.  It's not even close to "the same exact thing."

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That year yes, he was why they were able to shut down the Rams.  Nice way to twists my words though, seem to be your M.O.

So you think that while Belichick repeatedly shut down Warner's Rams, Peyton's Colts, Rivers's Chargers, Luck's Colts, etc over the past two decades, it was Flores who orchestrated that Super Bowl defense, not Belichick?  That the LAR@MIA game proves that it was Belichick using Flores's gameplan in 2018, not Flores using Belichick's gameplan in 2020?  That's crazy.

Weird how a Texans draft pick thread can turn into a why the Patriots were good thread.  LOL ... The Texans are currently 9th and will fall lower with future wins over Detroit and Cincinnati. As wel ... they could add another lucky win.

In most years, finishing 5-11 would net you a Top 10 pick. At this point, I would be happy with the 10th pick as well as the 42nd pick but I still hate the Patriots for losing to this team. Cincy is another guaranteed win but Detroit isn't even though they suck.

Indeed.  The weirdness of 2020 continues.  There aren't many "middle of the road" teams this year.  It seems like there are the "haves" and the "have nots". 

The NFC East winner can very well end up being 5-11, which I am sure has to be the worst record of all-time for a division winner. I think the previous mark was 7-9 and I think they actually won a playoff game.

The Lions certainly didn't do the Dolphins any favors today.

Watson is on a different planet right now with his play, these assholes are going to run the table. He convinced management to not trade away anyone to rebuild, they listened and he will win a bunch of games. Then, they will be worse next year because they are in cap hell and have no draft picks.

Worthless fucking franchise.

At this point I don't think it matters much what the Texans do the rest of the year.  Miami couldn't trade the pick for much extra.  In a way it could be better, in that a later pick will be less costly when it comes to the salary cap.

As long as they don't somehow make the playoffs, the pick can be no later than the 18th pick since there are 14 playoff teams now. Odds are, it will be between the 12th and 15th pick. I would recommend we keep it and load up for 2021 but if someone comes up with a crazy offer, have to take it.

Will Fuller has been suspended for 6 games for violating the league's steroid policy. He is done for the year and Week 1 in 2021.

I'm glad this happened because it severely hurts the Texans but my God I hate this goddamn franchise and it's stupidity. If they traded him like they should've, he would've been some other team's problem. I think I hate the Texans only 2nd to the Bills.

Bradley Roby has also been hit with a 6 game ban for steroids. He is the Texans #1 Cornerback so this is another blow to them.

Good, screw this team. I hope Watson is next.

On the Will Fuller front, apparently he has been appealing this for awhile now and finally lost. That would explain why no one would bite at Houston's asking price for him and league mandates they would have to disclose that to any potential suitor.

What makes this even more bizarre is that Houston knew this and released Kenny Stills anyway WITH Randall Cobb on IR. Their receiving corps are now Brandin Cooks and ???

I don't think this franchise sniffs 8 wins again for at least 5 years.

4-8

Shockingly competitive game against a 1st placed team while missing their 2 best non-Watson players. Can't say I like that at all. Either way, unless they win out and that seems quite unlikely, the pick will probably be between the 7th and 13th selection. Next week is against the reeling Bears and they get to play the Bengals, but the other 2 are against the Colts and Titans. Anything can happen, but it seems like 6-10 is where they max out and that would put them probably between 11th and 13th.

All things considered, having the 13th and 45th picks are great and can launch us into contendership next year.

Huge game this week, Texans have 4 wins and Bears have 5 but the Bears have lost 6 in a row. Absolute disaster on offense. If the Texans win, they leapfrog the Bears and others. This game could be the difference between a pick around 15 and a pick in the Top 10.

Brandin Cooks will not play now. Their WR corps looks like our RB corps. Come on Bears, help a brother out. It's literally Deshaun Watson by himself.

4-9

Game is still going on but they are getting massacred by the Bears. LOL, the Bears! To be fair, Houston is absolutely decimated in terms of injuries and suspensions. Like their 4th string WR is now their #1 as is their 4th string CB. Deshaun Watson is awesome but he can only do so much. Mahomes would lose with this team.

Next week is against Indy and hopefully they win tonight against the Raiders so I'm cool with rooting for them next week. Houston has the SOS tiebreaker with nearly every 4 win team so we're still looking at a pick in the 8-10 range assuming no other shitty teams make a run.

How does the tiebreaker work for draft picks if teams have the same record?

Strength of Schedule. The tougher it is, the lower your pick. Texans SOS is something like .545 while the others are below that, so they pick 8th instead of 5th. Assuming they win one more game against the Bengals, I think the worst they can fall is to 13th but in the end it should be in the Top 10.

4-10

Texans lose a close one to the Colts. At this point, for the playoffs sake I would've preferred the opposite result. Either way, Deshaun Watson is great and is doing everything he can with Division 2 talent to make the games competitive. With the Cowboys winning, we are picking 6th at the moment but they get the Bengals next and I would be very surprised if they don't win that game, so we should be picking around 10th heading into Week 17 when they face the Titans who will be playing for the division and/or a playoff spot.

If they go 5-11, we have to be happy with it.

Tomorrow is a huge game for our draft pick status. It's unlikely that Cincy wins, even though they stomped the Steelers last week, but if they do they will leapfrog Houston in the draft order. Cincy has been locked into that #3 pick for awhile now. If they win and the Texans very likely lose to the Titans in Week 17, then we can have a Top 4 pick. Lose and we can go all the way down to 12. I am prepared for a win and picking around 10th but I can allow myself one last hope in what has turned out to be a great season for us all around.

Cincy has actually looked better without Joe Burrow under center. 

And the Bengals are just about ready to hand the Texans a loss and give the Dolphins a better draft pick from Houston. 

 ;)


Looks like the 1 and 2 picks are locked in but if the Texans lose next week (and they probably will because they face the Titans), the Dolphins could find themselves looking at a #3 or #4 pick. 

4-11

WOO HOOO!!!!!!!!! WHO DEY????????

We were all pessimistic about this game until the Bengals steamrolled the Steelers and offered a glimmer of hope. They came back at the last second to win it. Assuming that the Texans don't win next week, we will pick between 3-5. Currently, as soon as the Panthers lose, it will be 5th due to SOS but it's close. I have no idea how to monitor it but the opponents of the Falcons and Panthers have to win next week while the ones for the Texans lose and we can pick 3rd.

We are all diehard Titans fans next week.

That’s easy because I made Tennessee my backup team since Tanny got the start.

FWIW, there is talk that the Texans may just sit Watson for next week because he got hurt on the last drive of the game today and they have absolutely nothing to play for against a team that is far better than they are.

They will probably lose to the Titans next week no matter what, but I would worry a lot less if Watson sits.

Carolina is up 20-6 over the Redskins at the start of the 4th quarter. If they win and the Texans lose next week, we can pick no higher than 4th and as low as 3rd. We need a talent like Chase but maybe we can acquire a few more draft picks by dropping down 2-3 spots and can still get him.

"We're professional athletes getting paid a whole lot of money," Watt said. "If you can't come in and put work in in the building, go out to the practice field and work hard, do your lifts and do what you're supposed to do, you should not be here. This is a job. We are getting paid a whole lot of money.

"There are a lot of people that watch us and invest their time and their money into buying our jerseys and buying a whole bunch of s---, and they care about it. They care every single week. We're in Week 16 and we're 4-11, and there's fans that watch this game, that show up to the stadium that put in time and energy and effort and care about this. So if you can't go out there and you can't work out, you can't show up on time, you can't practice, you can't want to go out there and win, you shouldn't be here. Because this is a privilege. It's the greatest job in the world. You get to go out and play a game. And if you can't care enough, even in Week 17, even when you're trash, when you're 4-11. If you can't care enough to go out there and give everything you've got and try your hardest, that's bulls---.

"There are people every week that still tweet you, that still come up to you and say, 'Hey, we're still rooting for you; we're still behind you.' They have no reason whatsoever to. We stink. But they care and they still want to win and they still want you to be great. That's why. Those people aren't getting paid. We're getting paid handsomely. That's why. And that's ... that's who I feel the most bad for, is our fans and the people who care so deeply and the city and the people who love it and who truly want it to be great. And it's not. And that sucks as a player to know that we're not giving them what they deserve." - JJ Watt

Love this guy. Great teammate and overall good guy. Plus, perhaps the best athlete performance in SNL History. If the Texans cut him in the offseason for financial reasons, I would love to pick him up for a Superbowl run. We are that team now that can get veterans with one last good year in them hoping to chase a ring.

Per ESPN, the Dolphins now have the #3 pick. 

Yes, based on SOS tiebreaker. I don't know who we want to win to ensure that pick but I'm already having mock trades done on who to sell it too for extra picks. Ideal scenario, trade down to the Bengals at #5 so they can take that stud O-Lineman and we still will be able to draft Chase.

Maybe some QB comes up huge during the pre-draft process and teams offer us a haul for the pick. Lots of options at 3.

10-3 Titans right now. If they win, we get the 3rd overall pick which is insane to imagine. If they lose, then I think we pick 8th or 9th. Still good but this Sunday has sucked enough, give us the 3.

I’d be more stoked to get the third pick than if we went to the playoffs just to get blown out again

I think I concur, but the Titans are pissing me off. If they can't beat the 4-11 Texans, they don't belong in the playoffs.

I legitimately think the Titans have an 80% chance of losing this game. That would drop us to 8th or 9th and REALLY make this the worst Sunday we have had in years. Changes our entire draft plans.

Titans are such a weird team.

Their defense is trash, but how do you not win 12 games with a competent QB and a running back who rushed for over 2,000 yards? The clock control they have with that means you shouldn't be a 10 win team.

Yeah and it’s hard to place a finger on too. They always win close and last minute and those won’t always bounce your way. They can beat any team but can lose to anyone. Very strange but I am happy for Tannehill’s success he deserves it.

Let’s hope they hold this lead.


Hopefully they can hold this lead.

it toke them until the final seconds but they finally knocked off the Texans and we offically have the #3 spot.

That was so unnecessarily nail biting. Fucking Titans.

4-12

The Texans ended an absolutely disastrous season with a loss, giving us the 3rd overall pick in the draft. A pick they desperately needed to help rebuild. Now, they will have to really nail their 2nd round pic...oh wait, we have that one too. Hahahaha, suck it.

If we win the Superbowl in the next 1-3 years, Bill O'Brien deserves a ring.

I woud given every singe of those pics in order to mae the payoffs this year.  BTW, the three eys farthest to the right on the midde row of my eyboard are broen.  Right now, the Texans sti have gotten the better of the trade.       

Just stop it.

   Three payoff appearances in twenty years maes me desperate.       

Are you having a stroke?  All of your posts have bad typos, you usually don't have those.

Depending on how the upcoming draft picks work out, the Tunsil trade could end up rivaling the Herscel Walker Trade.

Yeah, we didn't knock it out of the park with their 1st rounder last year as Noah was projected to be a project, but this year should be much different. Not to mention the cap space it afforded us. Might be one of the worst trades in NFL history.

Living in Texas, I have quite a few friends who are Texans fans.  I thoroughly enjoyed thanking them profusely for the draft picks all weekend long.   ;D

Texans just hired former Patriots exec Nick Cesario as their new GM.  Isn't he one of the guys who dropped out of the Dolphins GM job opening back in 2013 after that embarrassing season?

Name rings a bell. For his sake, I hope he explained to the ownership clearly that this team won't even win 7 games until 2023 due to no draft picks, cap space or talent.

I just saw that the Texans were 2-8 this year in one score games. I'm pretty sure THE OPPOSITE was their mark in 2019 when I got angry every week over them winning by 4 points.

Were they unlucky this season or overrated last season?

Neither.  They traded away some key players.  That made the difference between winning close games and losing them. Getting rid of Hopkins for a washed up David Johnson was a huge mistake

That trade would've been the worst trade of the past 10 years if not for the trade he made with us.

The Hopkins trade was worse.  HOU got a Pro Bowl LT out of the MIA trade, which is more than they got for Hopkins.

Yes, but the draft pick cost was too much. In hindsight, would he have made the trade knowing 2021 would be the 3rd overall pick?

Well, that depends on how much of the future you know.  Strictly speaking, if O'Brien knows it's the #3 pick in 2021, then he probably also figures he will have been fired by the Texans anyway, so he probably doesn't care.

When O'Brien made that trade, his expectation was that it would be for two picks in the mid-20s.  That's a completely fair price for (what you hope to be) a Pro Bowl LT.

The Texans made the trade before the 2019 draft.  They made the playoffs and won a playoff game.  Well worth whatever picks they gave up.

They made the deal after the 2019 draft, but before the 2019 season had started.

Two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder for a LT with 2 years of control? That's pretty steep. I understand why he did this stupid trade, he was going all in for a Superbowl and I can respect that as long as it didn't ruin the team for years to come.

Which it did. No reason to think they will win more than 6 games next year with no draft picks or cap space.

There was more to the trade than just Tunsil; MIA sent a 4th along with Stills, and got some chum along with the picks.  That's why I'm characterizing it as 2 firsts, though you could argue it was less.

Not to start a new topic, but Watson is not even speaking to the team. They came to him with their GM search and wanted his input. They basically ignored whatever he said and he found out they hired a new GM from Twitter. That's almost purposely being an asshole to him.

The organization sucks and I support Watson 100%. Realistically, the next 2-3 years of his career are going to be wasted in last place. The kid never stopped playing no matter how lost the season was, I have a lot of respect for that.

New Orleans, New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, and Indy would be wise to seek out a trade for him.  Their QB's are getting long in the tooth.

Well, not GB. They have the presumptive NFL MVP and just spent a #1 on Jordan Love.

I would say the price is sky high, but they are a terrible organization. So, I expect them to ask for twelve 1st rounders or 1 4th rounder.

Pats getting him would make the AFC East a bloodbath for years to come.