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Tua made "the only mistake of the game" in a game where the Patriots scored 12 points and had over 300 yards of offense?

My Shame of the Game goes to dolphins4life for continously starting these threads when he doesn't even watch the game

Can I change mine to the rest of the NFL?

Seriously, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANYTHING TO GO OUR WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We deserve a break

So is it okay for other people not to follow the rules about this, but not me?    ::)

I'm surprised you didn't pick Sanders.  He's my pick.

My Shame of the Game goes to the human immune system for laying an egg against COVID.

Sure, against meaningless regular season illnesses like the common cold, the human immune system racks up lots of gaudy recovery stats.  But when it comes down to big-time opponents like HIV or COVID, the immune system shrinks from the challenge and consistently comes up short, committing costly errors like attacking our own cells at key moments.

It's clear now that the human immune system can never be the centerpiece in a championship roster.  It is a #2 at best, and we need to work on acquiring better parts if we want to be the one left standing when the final clock hits triple zeroes.

Again -- not sure whose fault it is, but consecutive weeks of blown trick plays because some dingleberry doesn't check in with the refs is pretty unforgivable.

Grugier-Hill says he reported and many of his teammates backed up his story.  According to them, the refs fucked up.

(https://i.imgur.com/LAYVwp6.jpg)

Wow that's interesting. Guess the ref forgot? Are we sure it was him and not someone else who was supposed to report and didn't? Can't see them flagging a guy for not reporting literally seconds after he reported. Maybe the ref didn't hear him? I don't know what the rule is here does the player report and the ref confirms it or something?

It sure seems like we almost always get more inconvenient penalties against the Patriots than anyone else so it’s really no surprise to hear this.

At the very least, I am sure Flores will take to the refs ahead of games now and get these things straightened out. With the playoffs on the line, can't have mistakes by refs cost us.

^ This.  Not sure if it actually bears out or just a mind illusion mixed with hatred towards the particular opponent, ha hah, but I've felt that way for awhile, too!!
Can't think of the last time in quite a bit we got even a borderline call go our way against those fools....I nearly lost my crap when they called back X-man's fantastic fumble recovery/return for a TD back, until I saw the replay right before commercial or whatever with big Christian's foot just on the out of bounds marker as the ball was bouncing right into his leg.....then I backed off the ledge.   :D

It's more of your delusional hatred of the Patriots.

The Patriots actually got most calls to go AGAINST them, during the Brady years.

How about the famous Michael Thomas interception game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpqT2o9oIHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpqT2o9oIHU)

Pretty obvious pass interference missed the play before.   

Crazy talk.

When you're good, calls break your way, because refs give you the benefit of the doubt.  The Pats were the beneficiaries of bogus calls on the regular.  I expect it, but to say the opposite just isn't true.

Not for the Patriots.

In 2005 in the AFC divisional playoffs against Denver, the refs set up a Denver Broncos touchdown with a HORRIBLE pass interference call on Asante Samuel.  Then, in the third quarter, they set up another Broncos touchdown by incorrectly ruling that Champ Bailey had fumbled the ball out of bounds at the one yard line, rather than through the end zone.

In the 2006 AFC championship game, the refs stopped the Patriots from putting the game away in the second quarter by calling a bad pass interference penalty against Troy Brown, which negated what would have been a first down inside the Colts 20, with the Patriots already winning 21-3.  Then in the second half, they called a phantom PI call on Ellis Hobbs to give the Colts another touchdown. Then, in the fourth quarter, they didn't call a blatant pass interference against the Colts in the end zone.

In the 2007 Super Bowl, the refs missed blatant holding on the Giants on Tyree's famous helmet catch.

In the 2015 AFC title game, they didn't call blatant pass interference on Gronkowski in the end zone.

In 2017 Super Bowl, they didn't call blatant illegal contact on the Eagles on the last play of the game.

In 2019, the refs blew two calls against the Chiefs (the quick whistle on the fumble and wrongly ruling that Harry did not score) which may have cost NE that game and a first round bye.

To say the refs haven't hurt the Patriots greatly over the years is not true.  

Edit:  And some of the calls people do cite are misleading.  For example, in the 2017 AFC title game against the Jaguars, that PI against Bouye was the correct call.  And that quick whistle only occurred after the refs missed a blatant pass interference against the Jaguars.  And on the roughing the passer call against the Chiefs, the Chiefs mauled the Patriots receivers all day, and were on the right end of several calls and non-calls.

dolphins4life, has the NFL admitted that ANY of those plays were blown calls?  Because this (https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/cowboys-tripping-penalties/) (or this (https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-roger-goodell-nfl-blown-call-20190130-story.html), or this (https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/nfl-admits-referees-blew-significant-call-against-saints/289-f828f1d2-27b8-4262-ab1c-25c62b2fe9c6)) is what happens when there's actually a blown call, as opposed to a call that biased homers (ahem) just disagree with.

In some cases, yes, like the Ellis Hobbs play in the 2006 AFC title game.  However, every call I have cited you can actually see for yourself on video.

The Champ Bailey/Ben Watson play was analyzed scientifically to prove that the ball did indeed pass over the pylon, which should have made it a touchback.

I do not know if the NFL publicly admitted that N'Keal Harry did not step out of bounds against the Chiefs last year.  However, this does not change the fact that he did not.    

Here's the last play of Super Bowl 52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeHunswDrGE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeHunswDrGE)

If that is not blatant illegal contact. (Shoving a receiver while running his route), I don't know what is.

Also, Spider, it's VERY interesting how you don't apply that same standard to calls that you and the other people on this board THINK have gone against the Patriots.  Many times, when rules are correctly applied that benefit the Patriots, people here think they are bad calls.

Conclusion:  Spider-Dan thinks that all calls made by officials are correct unless the NFL openly admits that they were bad.

I understand that there is room for debate and interpretation on calls, but the examples I've cited are so blatant and so flagrant that there is simply no fathomable way you could watch a video and defend ANY of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23oEg5ljBkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23oEg5ljBkY)  Just as another example.  How is that not the most obvious pass interference you've ever seen?

Please cite where the NFL issued a statement about this "blown call."  I can find no such admission.

The difference between us is that I understand that I, as a Dolphins fan, have a biased view towards the outcome of a play that involves the Dolphins.  But even from my biased perspective as a fan, I would not claim that the "majority of bad calls go against the Dolphins."

But that's the claim you just made... for the New England Patriots.  Even though that claim is not backed up by any sort of objective analysis (e.g. the NFL admitting they are wrong).  It's basically just you insisting that the refs screwed NE.

So yeah, we can sit here and post videos back and forth of uncalled pass interference and uncalled holding all day long.  (The January 2004 AFC Championship against IND might be a fun place to start (http://archive.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/03/31/nfl_will_crack_down_on_pass_interference/).)  This does not rise to the level of "clearly blown calls" acknowledged by the league.

D4L Patriots homer bias confirmed

^^^ Wait...was that ever in doubt?

Spider,

https://www.patriots.com/news/league-official-admits-a-bad-call-was-made-136881 (https://www.patriots.com/news/league-official-admits-a-bad-call-was-made-136881)

Also, can you confirm your belief that if the league does not say anything about a call, then it was correct?  I notice you did not comment on my examples.  After why would you when you have nothing to rebut.   

Tenshot, providing objective analysis of calls is not homerism.  Homerism is you claiming CORRECT calls are bad calls simply because you dislike the team.

Stroke, your post makes sense because your team benefited from the biggest sham in NFL history.  (The 1994 NFC championship game)

If you want an example of a call for the Patriots that was bad, that I claimed was bad, and that the NFL admitted was bad, I cite the Rams SB with the uncalled PI, which oddly enough, everybody on this board said was good.

All my posts make sense, unless I'm intentionally providing nonsense.

You are an out-of-the-closet Patriots fan who thinks the refs are out to get the Dolphins.

Yes, you are...and no, they're not...

In this case you are citing (from an article on Patriots.com, no less) "league official" = "senior editor of Jaguars.com responding to a fan mailbag." Sorry, but that's quite a bit less authoritative than the league office issuing a press release, as in the cases I cited.

If you aren't a delusional Pats homer, you're doing a great job of simulating one.

Depends.  Can you "confirm your belief" that every uncalled holding is actually a league conspiracy against Bill Belichick's defense?

The fact that you are throwing up videos of Hail Mary passes as "examples" of uncalled pass interference (while bragging that they can't be disputed) shows how far gone you are.  How many calls of pass interference have you seen on a Hail Mary in your lifetime?

Maybe this is better?

https://www.footballforum.com/new-england-patriots/23165-nfl-apologizes-hobbs.html (https://www.footballforum.com/new-england-patriots/23165-nfl-apologizes-hobbs.html).  The league actually sent a letter of apology to Ellis Hobbs.

If you want to watch the play itself, the game is on youtube.  Hobbs never touches Reggie Wayne at all. In order to commit pass interference, you actually have to touch the receiver you are interfering with.  

As for the Eagles play, you are twisting words that I said.  I NEVER said it was PASS INTERFERENCE.  It was ILLEGAL CONTACT.  BIG difference between those two penalties.   Yes, you rarely see DPI called on hail marys, but this is blatantly shoving the receiver to knock him off his route.  If that's legal, why doesn't every team do that on the last play of the game?  It should have given the Patriots one more play from the Eagles 46 yard line.

Don't even know what you meant with uncalled holding being a conspiracy against BBs defense.  

As as for me being a Patriots fan, a fan is somebody who roots for the team to win.  During the Brady years, I never rooted for the Patriots to win unless them winning helped Miami's playoff chances.  I did start out rooting for them early in this year when I thought Miami was not going to be good.  I was hoping that it would help show that Tom Brady is overrated and wins more because of his teammates and opponents, rather than because he plays better, but that theory got shot down  ???

Analyzing officiating has NOTHING to do with the team I root for.  Is this really so hard to understand?

Spider, I am still confused by your response to my previous question.

If the NFL does not publicly admit that a call was bad, does that mean it was the correct call? 

When the Patriots beat the Falcons in the Super Bowl, I was so depressed that I took $5000 out of my savings account and invested it in the stock market.   

I wonder... was this unnamed "league official" a stadium usher for the Texans?  Or perhaps a parking attendant in Pittsburgh?  I mean, since the previous standard of "league official" was "Jaguars website guy."

I gave you multiple examples of the league office publicly admitting a bad call, which is not the same thing as a player supposedly receiving a secret letter.

OK, if you insist: how many times have you seen pass interference ILLEGAL CONTACT called on a Hail Mary in your lifetime?

What it means is that the official's judgement call is within the range of acceptable interpretations of what happened.  So you or I can disagree with the official, but it's not up to OUR judgement, it's up to HIS. 

As long as the league feels that the official's subjective judgement is reasonable, they will let the call stand without correction.  When they feel that the official's judgement on a call was NOT within reasonable bounds, they issue a public correction, as in the cases I cited earlier.

I have never seen illegal contact called on a Hail Mary, but that is because they are so rare to begin with.  I have never seen a defender blatantly shove a receiver running a pass route on a Hail Mary so there is no real standard I have to compare this with.   Can you provide me an example of such a play?

On a side note, CHFF did research on pass interference on Hail Marys.  They found only one example:  2009 Lions-Browns.   I wonder if in their research how many of those plays involved a defender running up to a receiver running his pass route and just shoving him right off his route.

So let's apply that logic to this board as well.  Nobody complain about a call until the NFL issues a statement saying it was bad.

Perfect example would be the pass interference on Saturday against the Raiders.

Another example would be this call you mentioned in the Falcons Super Bowl


The NFL did not publicly acknowledge this call was wrong, so it must have been according to your own words:

What it means is that the official's judgement call is within the range of acceptable interpretations of what happened.  So you or I can disagree with the official, but it's not up to OUR judgement, it's up to HIS.

As long as the league feels that the official's subjective judgement is reasonable, they will let the call stand without correction.  When they feel that the official's judgement on a call was NOT within reasonable bounds, they issue a public correction, as in the cases I cited earlier.

Spider, how about NON-judgement calls?

For example, the N'Keal Harry bad call against the Chiefs last year.  He clearly did not step out of bounds, but the refs ruled that he had.

The NFL has not, to my knowledge, issued a statement saying the call was wrong.  Does that mean it was right and he DID step out of bounds?  Can people defy the laws of physics?  

Also, what about situations where the NFL has stated the right call was made, but people on this board STILL insist it was bad?  For example, the punt that Edelman never touched in the 2018 AFC title, and the Hogan catch that was clearly explained on the air as a catch.  

Also, nobody has answered how objectively analyzing calls has anything to do with the team I root for.  I'm curious as to how you explain that logic.   

i am not a Patriots fan.  See my previous explanation

I do not think the refs are out to get the Dolphins.  I vowed never to complain about a bad call against them after 2015, and I've done very well at upholding it.

^^^ Oh, you vowed, did you? Well, heck, in that case, never mind.

 ::)

So instead you complain against bad calls against the Patriots?

Are we just going to ignore this part?  "Miami isn't going to be good, so I know!  I'll root for one of their biggest rivals!"

D4L is a Hall of Fame caliber troll.  Dude has been suckering us in with his nonsense comments for years on here and we (myself included) just keep engaging with him.  The whole goal of a troll is to irritate people and he has done so masterfully for a very long time.  Hoodie is pretty good at trolling but he is a total amateur compared to D4L.  D4L has gotten all of us to take the sucker bait more times than I can even begin to count. 

I think it's much more complicated than that. 

Or simple...

Are you suggesting that he may not have a masterful command and understanding of the intricacies of football?   ;D

I just try to be objective when I analyze officiating.

This whole debate started with Dave's comment about how the Patriots always get calls.

Spider provided one example, which was more based on rule interpretations than bad calls.

I wonder how many of you think that a correct call that benefits the Patriots constitutes them "getting the calls"