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I remember the fumble refsky against Pittsburgh in 2010.  Oddly, the NFL didn't issue a retraction for that one, so maybe it was the right call.

What would you all pick for this category?

The 1982 snowplow game in New England. 

I still can't believe this one happened.

I don't remember this play. Link for it?

This was just cheating.  Terrible.

There was a play a few years ago where New England fumbled and in a mad scurry to retrieve a loose football, Miami was flagged for "batting the ball forward" and not only did they not get the ball, they were penalized and New England got a first down out of it.  It was more than just a bad call, where someone saw it wrong; it was a bad decision.  The idea that a player would bat a ball forward rather than pick up a loose ball is just dumb.

It killed our momentum and we lost the game.

I don't know if snowplow gate was cheating. Miami could have asked for the plow too.

I thought that there was a rule that you could only plow the yard lines.

I remember that illegal bat.  That was actually the right call.  You cannot bat the ball forward like that.  There was what I thought was a bad pass interference call against Miami early in that game. 

There was the 2015 game against Buffalo.  Suh got screwed on two plays in a row.  One he yelled at the ref that he would slam the quarterback next time. 

Only thing that I've come up with was that the following season the NFL did not allow plows on the field during a game. But that was just on a really quick look on Wikipedia.

I read a little bit about the game.   The rule was created on the field because they could see the yard lines.

Shula complained to the league office and they ultimately agreed that it was not fair and he got screwed, but the only thing that they could do at that point was reverse the result of the game and they'd never done that and weren't about to start now.

Thanks for doing the research. So it was a screw job. Effin Patriots.

There was  no rule preventing it. Sucks for us but they found the loophole

Don't have time to search for a link but here's the scenario to the best of my memory. The Dolphins are leading the Steelers and goal line standing them when Ben rolls out and fumbles before crossing the goal line. The ball goes into the endzone and video shows a Dolphin getting his hands on it first and then the same Dolphin coming out of the pile with the ball. The official ruling was the referee could not determine who recovered the ball,  I  never heard that before or since, and the Steelers would retain the ball at the  goal line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRInQyUV16k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRInQyUV16k)

Thanks for the link. Yeah, that was pretty bad.

If we're still talking about the snowplow play, I was reading something about anything that gives a team an unfair advantage is inherently against the rules.  It doesn't have to be specifically spelled out.  The NFL rules after the fact that it was an unfair advantage to only plow for one team's specific kick and none of the others, but it was too late to do anything about it.

It's weird because the refs made the rule up that they could plow, right there on the field, which was their right to do.  They couldn't see the lines, so they made a call.  The screwjob came because the plow operator was a pats fan and specifically drove well off the yardline to plow the spot they were kicking from.  I think the right call would've been to penalize the patriots for some kind of stadium intereference and make them kick from the new spot.

Wow, that Pitt play was a big screwjob.  I can't even watch all of it.  It still pisses me off.  LOL.

Interesting on the illegal bat call against the Patriots in 2013.

In 2010, Miami faced New England on Monday Night.  Miami was losing 27-14 and lined up for a field goal attempt.  It was blocked and New England returned it for a touchdown.  However, the replay showed that a New England player had batted the ball forward before Kyle Arrington returned the ball for the score.  If that had been called, Miami would have had a first down deep in New England territory down by two scores.

I think where it gets tricky is the operator did it on his own.  If the Pats coach had directed him to do it — pretty easy case to penalize the team.  But penalizing the team for something a rouge fan did, now the the other team has a valid argument that they were treated unfairly for something they had nothing to do with. 

If I recall he was a convict on weekend work release.

Yep. After the game He even said something along the lines of “what are they going to do? Arrest me?”

This is total bullshit, off-the-top-of-my-head stuff, but I think...I THINK....that the home team is responsible for stuff like that.  And that the host team is responsible for things like that and can be penalized.  ...like for playing crowd noise in the speakers, playing music over the offensive huddle (if against the rules), etc.  All those people are in the team's employ, so it would be like penalizing a conditioning coach for some infraction.

Do you remember the Leon Lett play on Thanksgiving?

Doug Pederson was the holder for the field goal attempt.  He worked hard to clear the spot for the next kick, which led to some drama because the ref kept changing where the ball was going to be spotted.  Oddly, though, he used his foot.  I think it would have been more effective to use his towel, or sweep his arms.     

I do.


Maybe....it's also just frozen ground you're dealing with.  And it's the kicker's placement foot that's probably just as much of an issue.  The Leon Lett play was more about that particular player not knowing the rules.

Tuck rule that led NE to winning their first SB lol. Had they not went to that one I don’t know if the dynasty happens. Would have been a different AfCE for 20 years I think.

Seriously though I think they’ve all been mentioned, Pittsburg fumble was pretty messed up.

I think I remember a Chambers potential TD reception that was called back for not maintaining possession after hitting the ground for x amount of time. IIRC it was pretty close and I know that’s standard now but at the time it was one of the first times I had heard about it. I can’t remember the context of the game or if it would have made a difference or not.

The tuck rule was the correct call.  A Correct call that hurts your team is not getting screwed. 

Do you people realize this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qx3rZOBxWl8&feature=youtu.be 


This is what you mean.  Again this is a correct call.

Yeah, maybe it was the correct call, there’s still controversy over if it was the right call within how the rules are written.

Anyway it was dumb which is why it was repealed. It was only a rule starting from 99’ and wasn’t even used until early in the 2001 season.

I don’t think that was what I was think about but thanks because I enjoyed watching the clips. I was at that game and what I was thinking about happened when I was watching TV.

If a call is correct there is no screwjob or controversy

It's not that black and white.

The "tuck rule" was some bullshit nobody had every heard of and wasn't applied in countless other similar situations.  When the one time it's used, it's to negate a huge play that essentially wipes out the golden child of football, there's reason to believe that maybe the refs are being a little extra careful to find every infraction against one team and not the other.

It happened to us for "batting" when we recovered a fumble against the Pats, only to have the ball given back to them because we didn't recover the fumble cleanly.


It's like in society -- sure, jaywalking may be against the law, but if you leave everyone alone, and then only arrest certain people for jaywalking, that's some bullshit.

The problem with your statement is that the tuck rule was applied consistently before that game.  If you want I can give examples.

The bat call you may have a point on. I had seen that call once in a super bowl but it was clear there was no attempt to recover it.  The dolphins were clearly attempting to recover that ball.  I think the determining factor was how far backward the ball traveled

Edit:  btw the dolphins did not recover that fumble it was a twenty yard loss for New England

Yeah -- it was 4th down or something and then they ended up giving the Pats a 1st down for it, right?

It was second and seven.  

This was not a flat out wrong call.  The rules do say you cannot bat the ball toward the other team’s goal line

Edit   Just one of many things that happen to Tom Brady’s teams.  The guy could walk across a busy freeway blindfolded and not get hit

How about Miami was screwed in a game they did not play?   Week seventeen of last season could qualify.  Word is the refs made several calls that favored Cleveland against Pittsburgh

We were recovering a fumble.  Fumbles bounce around and get batted around all the time.  This is a regular thing that happens.  ...you see the football fling in all weird directions when men in a pile are grabbing at an oblong ball.  I've never seen one of them cited for "batting" in that situation.

If that is a rule:
- We didn't bat the ball.
- Even if we did, that call is not applied evenly to other teams.

We both know that if Brady had fumbled in the same circumstances, that he wouldn't have been called for batting.  That's the issue.

All I could find was that prior to tuck rule game it was only used once before, interestingly enough, against NE in the same year. If you have anymore examples though let me know.

Look on Wikipedia. It gives two examples. And don’t say it’s just Wikipedia.  That’s rhetoric

Wikipedia is actually a very reliable source, as long as the information isn't new or hotly contested...but in general, I believe it's more reliable than an encyclopedia.

On the illegal bat call I can think of two examples.  First one was in the first patriots giants super bowl.  The giants were flagged in the first half.  However, this was clearly an illegal bat because the player was headed on and had no chance of recovering it.  The second was in a game between Seattle and Detroit. The Seahawks batted the ball in the end zone and were not called for it.

Today appears to be another example of it