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According to study of 20,000 people in England people who have had Covid look to be pretty safe. This comes out in buts and pieces here in the US but you have to look really hard. I read a couple of weeks ago that hospitalizations were pretty much people who never had covid and hadn't received the shot but it never got  lot of press. I wonder why our government elects to leave that out when pushing vaccines?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9834687/Proof-Covid-turning-mild-illness-Survivors-reinfected-lower-viral-loads.html

Who is less likely to become unwell or spread the virus:

a) people who have survived COVID
b) people who have been vaccinated against COVID

This is shooting-fish-in-a-barrel stuff, man.  Do better.

According to the Dr who developed the technology behind the mRNA shot they are using has said the people who have had Covid.

 "Dr Malone asks why health leaders seem to be so afraid of sharing the adverse event data. He says, "Why is it necessary to suppress discussion and full disclosure of information concerning mRNA reactogenicity and safety risks?"

Great podcast interview with Dr Malone about the vaccine. He's all about vaccines but is suspect with this one.

https://youtu.be/9E2UkhCWosg

Source, please.

Yeah so what?  This was long suspected and the very basis on which vaccines are built.

With many infectious diseases if you catch the disease the first time and get better you now have an immunity that reduces the likelihood you will get sick a second time and if you get sick a second time it will likely be less severe.  This is the whole premise of natural herd immunity. 

The problem with this method of getting immunity is that you risk dying in the process or getting any of the other long term issues that come with having Covid.

The advantage of the vax is you get the immunity without the risk of dying, being on a ventilator, long term covid side effects and you don’t risk spreading the disease to others.

It is possible to get sick a second time.  It is also possible to get covid after getting the vax. 

The data I have seen suggests that the vax offers better protection than recovering from Covid. 

But it is certainly the case that both recovery and the vax offers some but imperfect protection from a future infection. The vax likely offers better protection than recovery and a prudent individual that has had covid will get the vaccinated.  But it is also true that someone who has recovered from covid has some immunity from the disease.  In a situation with limited vaccines doses the greatest good would be served by having the recovered be last in line for the vax as they *might* not need the vax to be protected. 

People who have recovered should get the vax, but it is less important for them, than getting everyone who neither have been infected nor have the vax to get the vax.

Taking an attitude that because covid offers immunity you shouldn’t bother with the vax and just wait until you catch the real thing and recover is literally playing russian roulette, as unlike with the vax there is real risk of dying in the process.

The idea that recovery offers some immunity is not hidden or taboo, it is the very foundation of why vaccines work.

People who have survived COVID because their bodies have a natural defense system now as opposed to some man made unproven junk.

Data says otherwise.

This headline seems like info that is expected.  Doesn't having had a virus generally allow you to build up some natural resistance?  This is good, but kinda obvious information.

or c) people have have survived COVID AND been vaccinated?

I wonder if that's true, actually.

I don't know.

It could be that getting the virus gives you 60% protection and the vaccine bumps you up to 80%, but that the vaccine alone also gives you 80%.

Or maybe the virus gives you 60% protection and the vaccine bumps you up to 90% but the vaccine alone only gives you 80%

That would be an interesting thing to find out.

I saw a study recently that didn't show any significant difference between the two. In fact those two categories and vaccinated people were all pretty similar. It's the unvaccinated who have never had Covid that are the most vulnerable but you won't hear that from our government. It's just "unvaccinated" people and trying to force everyone to get vaccinated. It won't be long until you can't shop in public without a vaccinated card.

I realize this is political to say this but if they were really worried about spreading Covid they would be closing our borders pronto. As it is they are almost assisting illegals to enter.

according to Dr Malone who developed the technology behind the mRNA shot having it would actually make you more resistant as the shot is a much smaller dose. That's why he said people who have had it should not have to take the vaccine.

OK, so who has less of a chance of contracting measles again?   Someone who had the measles vaccine or someone who contracted measles and recovered?   

Now, whose immune system is stronger?

Which study?

Where's the source?  What's the data?

I know on social media, anti-vaxxers just like to say "I heard vaccines don't actually even make a difference" all day long, but in the real world, you need something better than "I heard a doctor say..."

Those sound like the kind of questions we would ask an expert to answer.

But we can't ask expert! Because any qualified expert (say, an epidemiologist) who might be able to tell us which is more effective will ALSO say that everyone who can get vaccinated definitely should because vaccination is the most effective way to stop the spread of a contagious disease, and you don't want to listen to that!

I'm not going to play this game of "We listen to doctors and scientists when they say stuff that I like, but we ignore them when they don't."

I will not listen because this new vaccine has been rushed to the market and there are all kinds of issues with it.  I know people who have gotten COVID after they have been vaccinated.  I also know someone who suffered a mild heart attack after being vaccinated.   No one I know has died from this but a few ended up in the hospital.

Vaccines normally take years to research and develop.  I definitely don't trust this vaccine nor what the liberal news says about it.  And you being purposefully obtuse in your posts is extremely irritating.

It is ironic. 

Trump had one accomplishment in four years. 

He didn’t build his wall.  He didn’t improve them trade imbalance.  He did pass any major legislation.  He did improve our standing in the world.  He didn’t sign any significant treaties.The economy and jobs nosed dived during his administration.  He didn’t get re-elected.  His administration ended with a failed coup attempt. A disgraceful four years of hundreds of failures and one success.  One thing that actually was successful.  One thing went better than most expected.  One thing and only one thing….. warp speed.

And now his most ardent supporters are doing everything thing they can to undermine his one accomplishment. 

You say this like it's a thing. 

Lots of people will get COVID after they've been vaccinated.  A vaccine doesn't eliminate your ability to get COVID.

The experts say you're wrong.  They say that these vaccines are some of the most impressive accomplishments in human history, and that it is a triumph of medical science that, AS A CIVILIZATION, we were able to respond to this urgent global threat with such speed.

But you don't believe any of that, because it goes against your political priors as an American conservative.  So you have to believe that this time, it's not just the corrupt Democrats... it's actually the entire globe conspiring to lie to you.  Any country you want to name - any ally you might consider trustworthy - they're also a bunch of liars poisoning their citizens with a phony vaccine.  From England to Russia, from Israel to Norway... they're all in on it.

But my question to you is: since you don't believe vaccines should be rushed, why weren't you objecting to Operation Warp Speed from the beginning?  Pretty convenient that you only expressed a concern about speedy vaccines after Trump left office.

(And for the record: while I expressed concern about Trump rushing a fake vaccine to market for political gain, I said from the beginning that once other stable democracies like Canada and Germany approve a vaccine, I'll be first in line.)

- He built the wall in some of the most vulnerable areas.   What used to be short barbed wire fences are now impenetrable and unscalable steel/concrete structures
- He tilted the trade imbalance back towards America.  Putting America first.
- He put a rush on the Keystone Pipeline deal, denied entry to certain countries that were known for producing terrorists (only to have the courts block him)
- He let the world know that America was not to be fucked with but would negotiate within reason
- He brokered peace treaties with Israel and a few of its enemy Arab nations.
- The economy was trending upward big time until COVID hit.  But apparently that's all the liberals want to look at.
- He had the election stolen from him
- The "failed coup attempt" was not orchestrated by him but carried out independently

When the CDC goes through their entire process past emergency authorization and it's fully approved as safe with all of their normal tests and procedures, will you take the vaccine then?

Didn’t Biden cause this spike by opening our borders and letting people in?

No.

The spike is not among immigrant populations.  It's among unvaccinated Americans.