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2 sacks on Tua on opening drive and big TD run by BUF. Terrible start.

That was about as wide open of a run lane as you are ever going to see.

Uh-oh

Sorry I think the thing updated wrong but it was a ToD

Thanks OL.  You suck to fockin high heaven

14-0 zip. Gonna be a long one unless Miami can score and calm this down.

LOL, Diggs literall y fell no his face in the EZ and our man Howard stood really like a fockin dope.  Yep, I deserve that money!!!!!!!!!!!

What a nightmare

Either you find a some fockin OL to play this fockin game OR you fire the shitty fockin Coaches that coach these sacks of shit

Gotta score here

Jesus this is a disaster

Good stop after the pick tho

Welp.

If this ends up being 49-0, I'm taking up some Pottery Classes or something to fill my Sundays.

Why are we thorwing the ball to man who's five fockin four in height.

Fock

Let's be fair, what else can we do to fix this O-Line? Has there been any team that has spent more draft capital on it than us? We aren't ignoring it, we just have a 10% success rate on O-Line daft picks and free agent pickups.

Sooo, about my saying during the offseason that I had pretty high hopes for the team this year...... ;D

Kevin Hart should be cut from the team

Alright X!

Jesus Christ kick the FG

How about keeping a block Shaheen?  Fock that's that you're paid for.

We are going to have to shop for another QB this week because Jacoby won't make it to the 4th quarter with this O-Line.

The front office had multiple opportunities to upgrade the offensive line and running game in this draft and they failed to do so outside of the kid from Notre Dame.   If Tua doesn't pan out, I see Greer being let go

And I'm good with that. This has been a glaring issue for some time, with every once in awhile finding a decent o-lineman but the line as a whole sucks.  And now it got their top-5 pick QB hurt and in the locker room

Nice fumble asshole!!

And why is Waddle back returning a punt?

Lol, just lol. We will always be bad or mediocre

This is what happens when you get cute with pre draft trades!!  You end up with a gimp legged receiver with hands of stone!!

Some of you guys never cease to amaze me.  It used to be that you would judge the team on a one game basis.  If the Dolphins won a game......"Super Bowl, Baby!" and if the Dolphins lost a game...."This team sucks!"

Now you are down to the point where you judge a player based on one play.  Xavien gives up a TD pass...."You over paid bum!" and then Xavien gets an interception...."You da man, X!"   Through one and a half games, Waddle has been by far the best WR on the team.  Waddle fumbles a punt......"You asshole!"     

Some of y'all would cut the same player 4 times during the course of a single game and give the same player a big contract extension three times during the course of a single game. 

If you told us before the game that Josh Allen would play like shit in the first half, I think we would all be expecting to enjoy our comfortable lead.

Xavien needs to teach Byron Jones how to catch a ball.

I will say that I said Howard was a bum on that play, and he truly was. Diggs fell down and he watched him  get up and catch a TD.  that's not good effort, no matter what you say.  yes, he got the pick, good for him but we didn't get any points anways, so to me, we're still -7 pts cause he gave up a TD

And for the record, love Waddle as a WR but he shouldn't be back there returning punts

Waddle Week 1:   4 Receptions on 5 Targets
Waddle Wee 2 (through the first half)  6 Receptions on 6 Targets
Total:   10 Receptions on 11 Targets

You hands of stone, bum!    ::)

I will say that I don't think he should be returning punts or kicks though.  You don't risk the guy who is clearly your best receiver back there returning punts.  

Oh I agree that X blew it on the TD play.  Don't disagree with you at all on that one.  And I definitely wasn't referring to just you in my comment.  A lot of guys do the same thing.  I get frustrated too.  I'm just not big on making generalizations on players based on one or even a handful of plays. 

Definitely with you on not having Waddle returning punts.  You don't want your best offensive weapon getting blown up and injured on a punt return. 

Well I think I this one is over. Very disappointing.

Next week is another tough draw. May be a good idea to rest everybody the rest of the way.  Arrgh. Ahoy mateys

One thing in the 2nd half of this game that is very concerning is something we never saw last year.  Last year, even when they were being soundly beaten, the Dolphins kept fighting, kept playing with fire in the belly.  But on defense here in the second half I'm seeing a LOT of half assed effort on tackles, etc.  Playing poorly is one thing.  Giving up is another thing completely.  That is one thing I did not expect from a Flores coached team. 

We are too soft in the trenches to ever be a legitimate threat.  We always get beat soundly by the bully teams. All that money and picks and we still suck at the line of scrimmage.

I agree.  With all the whining that people used to do about how Richie Incognito hurt Jonathan Martin's poor widdle feelings back in 2013, I'd take 5 Richie Incognito types on the OL any day.  Jonathan Martin strapped on his frilly panties for a total of 38 games before being run out of the league after a thinly veiled threat with a shotgun on social media.  Meanwhile that mean big bully bad guy Incognito is 38 years old and still on an NFL roster with the Raiders. 

Richie did nothing wrong, this is football. Men talk shit about other men all the time, he didn't say anything I haven't said to my friends. He was too much of a pussy to deal with it and it blew up after that.

My point exactly. 

For all the praise y'all are heaping on Richie Incognito, the teams he has been on haven't done jack either.
Dude is a cancer.

He's just a Guard, he can't throw for 5 TD's. He has ranked pretty good on every team he's been on, we could probably use him right now considering the pathetic state of our O-Line.

Did the Dolphins' O-Line feel dominant when he was making the Pro Bowl in MIA?
When they had the 17th-ranked rushing offense and were 18th in sacks allowed?

Dude is a cancer.

To be clear:  I'm not saying he's a bad offensive lineman.  I'm saying he's a cancer who will not help the performance of your offensive line.  And I think the kind of OL coaches who buy into the idea that Incognito has the type of personality you need to win football games are the same kind of OL coaches who get fired because they're bad at their jobs.

We were actually talking about the attitude and nastiness that Incognito (and guys like him) bring to the trenches, not necessarily him personally.  How did Martin's career go?   There are plenty of "woke" careers that sissies like Martin can go into.  Florist, IT, stuff like that.  Offensive Lineman in the NFL just isn't one of them.  And Incognito types don't have to throw the ball.  They create the time needed for QBs to make throws and clear the lanes for RBs to run through. 

Also, whether the teams that Incognito have been on have done well is ridiculous to even bring up.  He is one player who plays one position.  I know some of y'all aren't big fans of masculinity, but it is a hell of a stretch to gauge the quality of his play through A 16 YEAR CAREER by the success of the teams he has been on.  There aren't a whole lot of guys who have sucked and yet played for 16 years (and counting).   That is almost a D4L kind of comment "Marino wasn't very good because he never won a Super Bowl"

Dan, Incognito is a douchebag.  I don't think anyone would argue that point.  And guys like him CAN be a cancer in a locker room.  But if he is a cancer in the locker room, how has he remained gainfully employed in the NFL for 16 years?  Incognito is a first class asshole.  A first class asshole is almost ALWAYS a cancer in most professions.  But football is so uniquely different from any other type of profession.  I agree with you that guys like Incognito CAN be a cancer.  But not always.  At least not always in the NFL.  Again, if he is that much of a cancer, he wouldn't still be in the NFL after all these years.  And I really didn't mean to make my initial comments to be solely about Incognito.  That is why I specified "guys like Incognito".  Not necessarily specifically Incognito.  I was really referring to nasty, mean, offensive linemen types who have no objection to thumbing someone in the eye at the bottom of a pile.  A nice guy with a heart of gold won't go very far in the trenches of an NFL game.

OL coaches who buy into the idea that Incognito has the type of personality you need to win football games

Again, I'm not saying he's bad at his job.

I think there are many counterexamples in the HOF.  You don't need to be a dirty player to be successful.

I think we were both kind of looking at extremes.  So let me take a breath and respond.  You are correct in that you don't NEED to have that kind of personality on the OL/DL.  But if you don't have that kind of personality on the OL/DL, then you damn sure better have a superstars at your skill positions. 

And yes, there are definitely guys in the HOF who weren't nasty.  Hell, the Dolphins have one of them.  Dwight Stephenson was one of the best Centers to ever play the game and he wasn't a mauler.  He was strong but he was much more of a technique guy.  No offense, but you tend to speak (type) in absolutes sometimes.  There are always exceptions to rules.  But I am speaking in general terms on this topic.  OL guys who are aggressive and have a mean streak IN GENERAL tend to be more successful. Notice I'm not saying "dirty".  There is a big difference between aggressive with a mean streak and a "dirty" player.  That was my big rap against Incognito (I could care less if he is an asshole) is that his sometimes dirty play would incur penalties.  Mean and aggressive are not the same thing as dirty.

And being mean and nasty is specific to the OL/DL (and sometimes LB) in my scenario.  I don't want a mean and nasty DB because they are going to be over aggressive and get PI penalties up the ass.  The main thing I'm hoping to convey to you is that mean and nasty are not synonymous with dirty.  And although there are definitely examples of guys like Dwight Stephenson being great, I'm not going to be convinced that in general, aggressive offensive linemen with a mean streak are not more successful than guys who don't have that character.