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Every week we seem to get worse and everyone knows this is going to be a 3-4 win season unless something happens, so we are waiting for that. That something is firing coaches and it has to happen tomorrow. Our coaching has been an abomination. We won 10 games last year and in many ways were better than our record, so we add Jaylen Waddle and another 2nd round OT and we are worse than the Jets. That doesn't add up so you have to look at other places for the issue and it has to be the coaching.

Our co-OC experiment is a disaster and Flores no longer gets the guys motivated, even the defense is awful. I'm not anticipating Flores getting the axe tomorrow but if someone doesn't then we might give the Jaguars their first win of the season.

This team is on life support and as a Doctor, I would call this patient clinically dead.

You hit the nail on the head, Flores doesn't motivate these players and any words he has are falling on deaf ears.  Guys we thought were cornerstones, are actually quitting on the team.  Xavien Howard is a glaring example.  I give 2-shits what he did in the NE game.  Dude gices zero focks what this team is doing or wins.  Dude was smoked several times today.  Baker has become a liability in the passing game, can't cover an RB to save his life. Secondary is being burnt consistently and there were gaping holes were guys caught passes

Still don't understand why Reid Sinett didn't start today. you WEREN"T winning this game with Brissett under center.  At least give Reid the chance with Tua coming back next week.  The score may or may not been the same, but at least there would have been excitement back there.

So many problems and holes with this team.  Such a shame, especially with all the hope this season might bring.  The day after game 17, Chris Grier should be fired. 

You could hire one of the commentators on here and we would have a 50/50 shot at doing well.  Fock he's awful

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I think it's all coaching except for the effort of Xavien. Baker is a good player and now he sucks. Now EVERYONE sucks. We keep playing musical chairs with the O-Line, took until Week 5 to realize we need to throw the ball longer than 2 feet. No pass rush whatsoever. Firing the OC's is an acknowledgement that things aren't working. If Flores comes out today or tomorrow and says that they need to keep grinding to turn it around, he is 100% gone at the end of the year and the Eagles are sitting pretty.

The crunch has got to come if we manage to lose to the Jags, or either of the Jets games. Someone is going to get fired, and the worse it gets the higher up it goes...

The defense basically switched off this week, it's a sign the coaches have lost them. That's the best part of this team, and it's mentally checked out.

I can see Flores making Xavien an example right now and shop him around for a draft pick to save his own ass, but if we drop games to the awful Jets then it doesn't matter anyway and it's all over red rover.

Ross has shown himself to be loyal but equally clueless until it gets so diabolically bad that something just has to be done. I've heard the natives are already not showing up to the home games, if that isn't setting off alarm bells to Flores and Grier they are equally clueless and deserve what's coming to them.

Fuck Xavian. They should have never reworked his contract. His contract should have been evaluated at the end of this year to see if he continued his success. Lots of games left, but his play up to this point leaves much to be desired. His play is not worth his old contract, much less his reworked one.

We have 2 of the highest paid CBs in the league and they're both getting lit up like a joint backstage at a Willie Nelson concert. So sick of this shit show

He's a fockin joke.  I know for a fact in the Bills game, he watched a WR (Diggs IIRC) fall down that he was covering, stood there, allowed the guy to get up and come back to the ball for a TD

Fock him, seriously fock him and his beard as well

The play-calling setup was changed before this game and I didn't really have a huge problem with the game plan on offense.

Xavian Howard is one of the best cover corners in the league, but crossing routes is definitely his biggest weakness.

Our performance last year was in large part due to the NFL-leading number of takeaways. That isn't happening this year, for whatever reason, and the overall performance is suffering for it. I don't think we were in any way better than our record last year. Rather, the takeaways covered for a team that was severely struggling in several areas and those haven't been fixed (mainly offensive line).

The Bucs are just a horrible matchup for us, so I'm not as pessimistic as some, but playoffs are looking extremely unlikely.

I don't watch every game, but our offense seems to be one of the worst in the league. Whether it's the game plan, coaching, multi headed OCs, or mentally week players doesn't matter. What matters is we suck. 3 yard passes won't cut it.

He's not as good as people say he is. My belief is that his play last year was an anomaly. He's been burned several times and had several penalties.

Playoffs? Did you say playoffs? LMAO, fuck man I'd just like to be competitive for 4 quarters on a consistent basis.

I have to respectfully disagree.  He's been getting torched even on 9-routes, he's not the elite player like he's getting paid

So.........no one got fired. As terrible as we are, we should probably still beat Jacksonville and coaches never get fired after wins midseason so is there a rock bottom that we are waiting for or are we just going to address the coaching after a 4-13 season?

I don't know that I would fire anyone right now. I think most people think we are better than we have played but we have nose dived for some reason. If Flores and company figure it out and turn it around then I don't have to reset everything next year. If they don't then I'm just in the same position and push reset in December or January. Lot's a football left.

With that said if we give Urban Meyer his first win then all bets are off!! hahaha

To me, our problems are 100% coaching, especially our OCs. Because of that, I don't see us turning it around unless we fire some people. We may not be Superbowl contenders, but we did have a Top 3 defensive unit last year, no realistic reason for us to be last now other than coaching.

If we do lose to the Jags, and it's certainly possible because it is a weird travel game, then we won't be firing anyone if it isn't done the next day. At that point, our new favorite team is whoever is playing the Niners. Let's hope our new GM will do a better job with the draft picks.

First time I heard about this, but Tua's trainer was on Twitter Sunday after another blowout loss and said that "Flores is hard to even talk to" and "How much harder do you think he is to play for?". He even said that Flores has lost the locker room. Now, this is just Tua's trainer and I have yet to see anyone else saying this, but where there is smoke there is fire. The real issue is that he isn't just Tua's trainer, but also trains Will Fuller and several other players. So, he might be an unofficial PR person for the players right now.

The tweets have now been deleted but it happened. I've said this elsewhere but players only play for the hard asses when they win, that's why Bill Belichick was doing whatever he wanted. 4 straight losses and several blowouts? That's the players tuning you out.

I have no idea why but rumors of him having "lost" the players have been swirling for a few weeks. They have brought it up on Joe rose as a rumor several times now and i know it was at least a week or two prior to his tweets.

We've been waiting since realignment. 

Maybe not the next day, but if there is a distinct lack of bums on seats the next week against Atlanta at Hard Rock Stadium onwards, there's got to be dead men walking...

The crunch will really come if we manage to lose to the Jets - at that stage the fans will have well and truly had enough and the pressure on Ross to deliver severed heads will be enormous. If it all comes to that, I predict the axe is going to start swinging before the bye week.

If we lose to the winless Jags, our season is over. Not just because we would be 1-5 but because we couldn't even beat the worst team in the league. There is no rock bottom after that, this is it. If that happens and no one is fired, they'll be fired at the end of the year when the Eagles own the #1 pick in the draft.

^^^ Pretty good chance that Philly ends up with 3 top-10 picks in next year's draft. That's just crazy...

Eagles are trending downwards in a big way, so if this does happen, and it really isn't crazy to imagine, they need to fire their GM. The incoming GM will be thrilled with this draft haul. For their sake, hope he isn't an idiot that trades down and trades up and ends up worse off.

How can he not be fired after yesterday? What is left? Is Ross really going to ride this out until 2-15 or wait until the final 2 games when we are 2-13? We just let the Jaguars snap a 20 game losing streak against us, there is no help coming. There is no "winnable" game after that. We are without a doubt the worst team in the league and just proved that we will lose to everyone.

Is it me? Am I insane for wanting firings right now?

I'm backing you Edge.  Something needs to be done even from an optics standpoint for the FANS.  We fans have endured alot.  I'm 51 yrs old and I have been a fan since I knew what NFL football was.  I was born in Miami but moved when I was a baby, but my parents were there when the Dolphins became a team.  My Dad says eh remembers them giving away tickets at the local Bruger King for cheap or free.

I thought that 1-15 season was the worst feeling I had as a Fins fan, but this season is slowly creeping towards those same feels.  We are now in the same league as JAX, DET and HOU as piss poor franchises.

Used to laugh at the Bengals and Browns for their ineptitude, but we have taken over those reigns and running that horse HARD.  Browns have made the playoffs, and things are looking up for the Bengals and some serious playmakers on the offensive side.

I really wish Ross would sell the team and let someone else take over.  Yes, i know the guy wants to win and throws money at whatever, but obiviously it's not working.  Sometime guys are snake-bitten and don't know when to quit.  you'd think with his business accumen he would realize this, but I guess not.

Damn, these are some really crappy days to be a Dolphisn fan.

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Ross is 81 years old, so he isn't going to sell the team because at 81 money doesn't mean much anymore when you are already a billionaire. He wants to win a Superbowl at all costs and I appreciate that but he is terrible at picking football people. At this point, I would prefer if he just walks into the Monday Night Football booth and ask them what he should do. I don't know if we have anyone in the organization capable of turning this around.

We need a Parcells type to take over the whole franchise but I don't know who could and it isn't Bill Cowher either.

When TommyNoleFin the traitor switched to Tampa Bay on Phinfever, he said that as long as Ross is the Dolphins owner, they have no hope.   I'm starting to think he might've been right on the money.  

Didn't have much hope with the previous owners either. I don't think Ross is a problem when compared to other owners because he truly wnats to win and will spend money, he just doesn't pick the right guys. He needs to find one guy to give total control too but those are few and far between and usually end in disaster like Gruden.

Nov 11    8:20 PM ET    vs. BAL

Week 10 is a Thursday Night Game against Baltimore which of course we will get stomped on, leading to a long week until our next game against the Jets. If we aren't going to clean house today, next best chance to do it is after the Ravens game so the new regime has some time toget things in order and then start off with an "easy" game against the Jets.

If we don't do it then, either we are on a winning streak and we are waiting until after the season is done. I got almost nothing left in trying to make sense of the continued employment of these dopes.

Huizenga was a good owner.   His one big mistake was letting Jimmy Johnson convince him to just promote Dave Wannstedt rather than search externally for a coach after Johnson retired.   

Ross is a complete buffoon who has caused this franchise one public embarrassment after another.

I agree completely with your take.  The JJ fiasco with Wannstache was a disaster and set this team back.  Ross is a fool with his money. 

What makes me nervous about a sale is that whomever the new owner is may decide to move the team. I'm not even in Miami and I would hate to see them moved. Aren't any of you natives worried that that could happen with a sale?

I'm in NY and I would want them to stay in Miami too. That being said, Miami is a premiere location in America. Teams move TO Miami, not away from it. It isn't like taking a franchise out of Iowa or something.

I would be more concerned with new ownership being cheap scum like Stan Kroenke and only caring about profit.

Not worried about the dolphins moving, at all.

If a new owner bought the team and announced that he was moving it, he would be a walking dead man unless he had armed security available 24/7.   

The City of Miami and the NFL wouldn't let him. You don't leave a major media market.

Yeah, and "The Utah Dolphins" doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

Neither did the Utah Jazz.

When I listen to Jazz, all I can hear is that bass riff..."dumb, dumb, dumb-dumb-dumb"

Fits Utah to a T. ;)

L.A. was without football, you are delusional if you think Miami is considered too big to fail.

LA is a garbage city that should fall into the ocean along with everyone in it. The citizens aren't die hard sports fans, every other major city would riot if their sports teams were taken away. LA lost both football teams and people shurgged and did cocaine.

Miami's reputation is pretty much identical to the rest of the country.

Yeah, you are. To what extent will firing everyone help? You still have to play the remaining games this year and you still have to get people to want to come to Miami next year. Making it a dumpster fire will not help. For as bad as it is now, it could be worse. A lot worse.

We have a lot of young players whose development is being screwed up due to bad coaching. Why wait the whole year to do the inevitable? We're not turning this around, we just ended a team's 20 game losing streak. 3-14 is seriously on the table so fire some or most of the coaches now and try to build some momentum into 2022.

Jackson and Kindley get worse in their 2nd year? That's not supposed to happen for O-Line guys. Better coaching can fix this, although with the O-Line they seemed destined to suck forever.

I don't know Edge. LA appears to me to be ravenous basketball and baseball town.

Flores should have acted on this weeks ago when it was obvious the offense was dysfunctional with 2x OCs and what appeared to be Charlie Frye calling the plays. Right after that stupid safety in the end zone against the Raiders, someone should have been fired, right there, right then - instead he ignored the critics and bad results to back the system (because he said he thought it worked in practice, despite the disaster during actual games against real opponents). In doing so, he has made a rod for his own back...

5 different O-Line formations in the first 5 weeks was ridiculous and he still has Jesse Davis at RT even though Hunt is better.

Oakland (twice), Baltimore, St. Louis (twice), Houston, Cleveland, and San Diego all failed to riot when their football teams were taken away.  And all those cities have fewer remaining sports teams than LA did when it lost the Rams and Raiders in 1995.

Every city you just mentioned is a shithole except for San Diego, and they're laid back due to the weather  ;D

Before you ask, yes, I think very little of most American cities but especially lists that include Bodymore, Murderland.

Cleveland fans rioted at the last game and tore up the old Cleveland Municipal stadium.   They didn't, however, riot the city.

I disagree with Huizenga being a good owner - there were a lot of things he did I didn't like, and for me our downward trajectory began right after he got rid of Shula to the point where he sold out to Ross... I think I even said a while ago he should be a possible candidate for the Ring of Dishonor.

That said, Ross is in another league altogether - the word clueless immediately comes to mind. I am genuinely unsure if we would be better or worse off if he was more hands on, rather than just signing the cheques and employing incompetent minions?

^^^^ THIS

Also, renaming Joe Robbie Stadium.  #BadKarma

So you don't think LA is a shithole?  :D

I wouldn't call Houston a shithole. 

If you're going to fire someone start with Josh Boyer. The defense is the major difference from last year to this year, not the offense. Bring in someone who can get the defense back on track. Forget about making the playoffs this year and forget about the record as well, just start playing good football again.

How much of the defensive slump has to do with personnel changes though? We traded/cut Lawson, Van Noy and McCain in the offseason - two of those were defensive leaders last year, which is where you have to ask who has filled this leadership void?

Injuries to key players like Jones and Howard haven't helped either.

Good question, but who's decision was it to make those roster moves? You think Josh Boyer didn't have a say in it? I'm sure his was at least a minority vote if not the majority vote.

And yes injuries have certainly contributed, but that's part of the gig. You have to make sure that backups are ready to step forward, that's your job as the coach, not to just get the starters to play well, but to get the entire team to play well.

Now 1-7 and 99% eliminated from the playoffs. We face the Texans next week, who are also terrible. Tomorrow is the last chance to salvage some development for young players and fire some coaches. That's all that we have left, not ruining young players with ineptitude.

I'm not holding my breath but I will light a candle and say a prayer for it tomorrow.

Yeah, that didn't happen. Texans on Sunday and then a Thursday night game against Baltimore. I guess 1-9 and a long week would be a good time to get a new coach but I find any changes during the year strongly unlikely now. If it didn't happen by now, it's not going to.

The Dolphins waited until they were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs in 2011 before giving Sparano the boot.   Todd Bowles came on and proceeded to go 2-1 and actually had a good lead at one point in the one game he lost.

We are 99.9% eliminated right now because even if we win out that's just 10-7, which is the 2021 version of 9-7.

For once, I want the new coach to have experience as a head coach. How many times in a row have we given a coordinator their first HC gig? I don't want a retread failure like Jeff Fisher but with such a young team, we could use some experience with experienced coordinators.

My opinion on this probably won't be very popular here.  But the problem I see with mid season coach firings is that there isn't like there are a bunch of amazing coaches sitting out there on the unemployment line mid season waiting to be signed.  Just like there aren't superstar players unemployed at mid season.  So firing an HC mid season ends up being just firing someone for the sake of firing someone (optics) because whoever you sign to be the interim coach, very likely won't be held over to the next season.  There has been so many different coordinators and systems for the Dolphins that I truly think it has stunted the growth of a lot of young players.  So it would be doing them a further disservice to bring in an interim coach, learn whatever new things he wants to do and then have to learn new things all over again before the start of next season.  Mid season firings usually only accomplish one thing which is to appease the bloodthirsty fanbase who are wanting heads to roll because the team sucks. 

I was on Team Bowles to be the coach after this.  Unfortunately they went a different direciton.  Great Def coord with TB.

There's some valid arguments here. You don't want a clearly unqualified coach to come in during Week 15, go 3-0 and get signed to a new deal just because he was a change of pace from the fired guy.

That being said, I'm most concerned about the loss of development. We are a young team and young players need guidance, especially QB's. If your current staff is failing at that, they gotta go. Austin Jackson was drafted as a bit of a project. I don't regret that draft pick since we needed O-Line help and he was the last one left due to misfortune. He was okay last year for a project, why is he so terrible this season? That doesn't make sense, O-Linemen don't drop off a cliff in Year 2, that's insane. I believe the problem is coaching and I don't want to lose a 1st rounder due to bad coaching. Get them out now and try to salvage what you can. Hell, while Noah was definitely not worth of being drafted in the 1st round, he is still incredibly talented. Why is he always a healthy scratch in year 2? No one is developing the guy.

The team has given up, plain and simple. This is not a 1-7 team and I think everyone agrees. Maybe not as good as we thought but not worst team in the league, we all know this. That's why the coaches have to go now before every player is tainted.

Edge, I definitely agree with your second paragraph about the loss of development.  It is was JUST Jackson, we could pin that on the individual player.  But it seems like just about all of last year's rookie OL guys have either regressed or remained stagnant.  Coming into last year's draft, just about all of those guys were rated pretty highly by most of the draft analysts.  I wouldn't think that so many analysts were wrong on so many guys.  Which leads to the development thing that you were talking about. 

We are all aware of how many guys the Dolphins give up on who end up going on to good careers on other teams.  The crazy part is that it has happened across so many different coaching and management regimes.  It seems that no matter who is running the ship, the Dolphins are always bad at developing and coaching up young players.  Frustrating to say the least.

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Where the hell is Solomon Kindley? He was very good for us last year, now he can't even get on the field when our O-Line sucks even worse? These guys gotta go, they're making everyone into worse players.