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The ref who didn't throw the flag on the blatant PI week three against LV.

If not for that, Miami would be in the playoffs now.

Sanders had a rough year kicking long field goals

My Shame of the Year goes to D4L for posting threads that are way off base and for running to start the SOTG threads before the game is over.

Just kidding.

My Shame of the Year goes to coach Brian Flores for not getting players properly developed, especially the offensive line

Brian Flores.

Hard to give it to anyone else when the team seems unprepared to play for long periods of time.

Flores, and he got fired for it.

I mean, it's gotta be Flores.  ...don't want to kick the man while he's down, but you lost 7 in a row, several of those to bad teams.

Sorry even worse than Flores is Will Fuller. He gets my vote.

Steven Ross

that's a great one, waste of $10M.

My Shame of the Year is Steven Ross for firing Flores and basically giving a no confidence statement in regard to Tua going forward.  This may end up being the Shame of the Decade.

I just can't see how anyone is upset about Flores getting fired.

Dude is a .500 coach over multiple years with absolutely no sign of improvement, but he also just visibly looks lost, wastes timeouts because he doesn't know what's going on, and can't wait to punt on 4th and inches.  He coaches like he lives in a different era of the game.

I can see the argument that maybe he didn't deserve it, but now that he's gone -- y'all are sad about that???  In what universe do you see this guy ever winning a Super Bowl?

The same universe, Dave, that has Tannehill playing for the number 1 seed. Gee, wouldn't it be nice to have a QB like him?

I have defended Tannehill as a good player.  I don't see those as the same.

For us, Tannehill was here 7 years and the money ultimately didn't work out for the future.  I don't think those are really comparable situations at all.  I totally understand why we moved on and I wish him the best.

Flores is bad.  I feel like any coach will bring the same quality to the table.  It's not like we're giving up someone who is potentially great, in my opinion.

Flores. Too many times I was frustrated by either his "protect the lead" mentality, his challenges or lack thereof, or the fact the team showed up and didn't look ready to play. 

In the last 15 years the Dolphins have had 4 winning seasons, and two of those were under Flores the past two years during a rebuild.  That's why I'm upset.

We've been rebuilding three years and no playoffs. That's pretty much the blueprint to get fired in the NFL.

It’s not just the result.  We’re not any better at any aspect of the game and he’s not an impressive game day coach either.

And there’s not really an indication that we’d be better next year.  It’s not like we need more time to see what we have like it’s a rookie squad or something.

Yep I'm going there, and I'm not kidding.

My Shame of the Year goes to D4L, the continual trolling isn't funny anymore - actually it was never funny to begin with.

Sorry Dave, but to say "It's not just the result" doesn't make sense to me, the results mean just about everything.  This is the first time in 20 years that the Dolphins have had back to back winning seasons, that's fantastic in my opinion.  I respect your opinion, and usually completely agree with you, but I get so sick of the people on here that make excuses for the Dolphins wins not being good enough, that's Bullshit IMO.  It's always "they only won by 3 should have won by 14" "the teams they play aren't any good"  " They only won because they got lucky on a call" etc, etc , etc.   Not to mention nobody has given credit to Flores for the Defense being so good the past two years.

A year or two from now all the people on here that are happy with Flores being fired will be whining that he never should have been fired after Miami completes a couple 7-10 seasons.

It's relevant that you mention the last time the Dolphins had back-to-back winning seasons, as that coach - Dave Wannstedt - also managed to win the division and win a playoff game in his tenure.  And do you remember how he was regarded after those last back-to-back winning seasons?  MIA fans were far less pleased with Wannstedt than they have been with Flores.

There aren't many of us that look back at the Fiedler/Wannstedt days and think, "If only we could get back to there..."

I wouldn't call him a troll.  But a lot of his posts are way out in left field and make no sense.

It's not JUST the result.  But it's the result also.  No playoffs, under .500, from what I can tell, we haven't really won a big game in his entire tenure.

In addition to those things, it doesn't pass the eye test for me.  And on top of all of that, just for my personal preference, he doesn't coach the style that I enjoy watching.

Three years in a row I have been nominated for the Shame of the Year.

I don't see how my posts qualify whatsoever as trolling.  Just because you guys don't like objectivity and not being a homer doesn't mean I'm a troll. 

In terms of Flores, he failed.  They had a clear shot at making the playoffs, and they failed two years in a row.

Having a winning season was big last year when they went 10-6 despite having a washed up old QB as the starter half of the year. This year going 9-8 with Tua and Brisset and better roster than last year and ending the season with a negative points scored differential despite being above .500 which ONLY happened because they played 17 games instead of 16 is QUITE different. This year was NOT a positive even with a winning record. Miami SHOULD have made the playoffs this year without question with the roster they had and the schedule they had. The only 2 positive wins for the year were the 2 New England games which both may have ended up in losses if not for a big turnover in each game. The number of bad losses to the Raiders, Falcons and Jags plus all the blowout losses far outweighed the positives.

^ And I don't even give them credit for the 2nd New England game, because it didn't matter anymore and they were playing with house money.

And even then, it's like he was trying to lose, again punting on 4th and inches and squeaking out a game where he had a big lead.  Failure to adjust as the game went on, as usual.

^^^^ This kind of stuff always drove me crazy. Play to win instead of not to lose!

^ I'm ok with losing.

Sometimes you aren't the better team, you're not going to go get the 1 yard to win the game...whatever.  That's why you play.

But I hate not giving yourself the chance to win and playing, hoping that the other team doesn't make their plays.  It's so infurating.

That shit used to work in the 80s and 90s.  I was a big fan of field position battles and playing the clock and all that, but those days are O-VAH!  The offenses are too heavily weighted, there is so much QB protection, the rules favor offense, so you gotta work that to your advantage.  You can't just kick away and win with defense anymore.

I know these guys aren't dumb.  So why do they do it?

It's basic math.  The odds of getting a 4th and inches on a QB sneak is incredibly high.  The odds of stopping a team from driving the field isn't nearly that much. It's maddening.

Have to go with Flores, he sunk our season after 8 games and we got blown off the field 4 times this year.

For an on the field player, probably Jesse Davis.

I never liked Wannstedt.  IMO Wannstedt inherited a playoff caliber team from Johnson and made it worse year after year.  Those teams won in spite of Wannstedt.  He kept bringing in players and coaches from Chicago where he was previously the HC, and those Bears teams sucked, and he made the Dolphins suck.  I point to him as being the start of the downfall that Miami has never been able to recover from, that was until the last two years.

With Wannstedt the Dolphins were trending down, with Flores the team has trended up. Big difference.

JJ's last 3 years:
9-7 (0-1 playoffs)
10-6 (1-1 playoffs)
9-7 (1-1 playoffs)

Wanny's first 3 years:
11-5 (division champ, 1-1 playoffs)
11-5 (0-1 playoffs)
9-7 (no playoffs)

Looks like he made the team better, not worse.

Overall record:
JJ- 36-28 (.563), 2-3 playoffs, no division title
Wanny- 42-31 (.575), 1-3 playoffs, 1 division title

Let us also note that when Wanny lost six games in a row to open the season (and 8 of 9), he was fired midseason, unlike Flores who finished the season after a 7-game losing streak.

Maybe you should consider why that is the case.  It certainly isn’t “homerism” as you claim because I am certainly not a Dolphins homer, and I recognize your posts as little more than annoying trolling.  Actually there are only two regular posters here that I would consider homers. 

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Tenshot, yup.  But can you make the picture a bit smaller.

My posts make plenty of sense.  You people never rebut them.  You just throw rhetoric.

This statement right here qualifies for the TDMMC Pinocchio Award.

More rhetoric

Wanny had a far more talented team than any of JJs teams in 2002 and 2003 and missed the playoffs both years.  Not sure how much of that was his fault, but people tend to blame the coach.  They had Ricky Williams both of those years.  Many people blamed him for overworking Williams in 2003   

JJ inherited a team that was a mess after Shula left.  They were an underachieving bunch full of locker room cancers, and they were over the salary cap with four of their top players becoming free agents (all four left).   He slowly built that team up to where it could sustain itself for a little while, especially on defense.

Wanny inherited a team that had top talent at some positions and ran it into the ground.   His results went downhill every year.   He overworked Ricky Williams and had a love fest with Jay Fiedler rather than draft capable receivers and find a top notch QB.   He turned down Drew Brees to bring in Jamar Fletcher when he already had two lock down corners on his roster.   Then he drafted Eddie Moore over Anquan Bolden.   That pretty much says it all.

Agree.  And JJ was kind of saddled with an aged Dan Marino.  If Marino wasn't such a legend in Miami I'd bet JJ would have traded him and drafted a young QB.

JJ wanted to do exactly that, but Huizenga wouldn't let him as the fallout from the fan base would've been too much to overcome.

I think it would have worked out better for Dan too, he could have moved to a team with a chance to win.

Don't take it as a badge of honor dude. Lift your game.

I know a lot of people said Will Fuller for shame of the year, I may actually have been one of them idk I'll have to look back.  He posted this on his instagram this morning...maybe it was worse than we thought this whole time.

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How can your finger be shattered from landing on it wrong? He didn't get it run over by a car, he landed on it wrong. It's also been many months of what I assume is top medical care and it's still nowhere near healed?

At this point, if he is still truly hurt, it has to be some type of MRSA infection but he needs to be specific because no one is buying 5 months for a finger injury that is nowhere being closed to healed.

I still defend this signing as it was low risk/high reward but it could have only went worse if he had stabbed Jaylen Waddle in the locker room.

Well it turned out to be low reward/high risk, hahaha

The risk never changed; the reward did.
So it turned out to be low risk/low reward.