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Title: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 10, 2022, 12:34:16 pm
Ross says he isn't going after Harbaugh but we'll see about that as time goes on. If Harbaugh wanted to come here, I can't see him saying no. Aside from that, who is available? Who is out there with prior head coaching experience who had some success that isn't a Jeff Fisher type retread?


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dave Gray on January 10, 2022, 12:41:53 pm
Lane Kiffin


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 10, 2022, 12:42:09 pm
Doug Pederson


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 10, 2022, 12:43:35 pm
Jon Gruden would be at the top of my list. I thought he was doing a good job in Las Vegas before this stuff came up and honestly I thought they were too hasty in letting him go. The stuff he said was bad, but it was years ago and honestly who's never said anything bad in an e-mail to someone you trusted and thought would never come to light? It was a mistake, but in the big picture, pretty small potatoes in my opinion. Just like QB's, head coaches just coach the team, they are not my heroes. Have him send out an apology and be done with it.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dave Gray on January 10, 2022, 12:47:29 pm
I think Gruden is a bum.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 10, 2022, 12:49:50 pm
I think Gruden is a bum.

Yeah, I wouldn't get Gruden either. I didn't like him too much as a coach and it wouldn't happen anyway. Imagine firing a black coach after 2 winning seasons to hire a guy fired for racist emails? Never would hear the end of it.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 10, 2022, 12:49:57 pm
I think Gruden is a bum.
So do I, but I still think he can coach. Maybe some of his players wouldn't like him but then there's always been some players that didn't like their head coach. There's no rule they have to be friends. Flores was loved by the Dolphins it seems...not that it really mattered.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 10, 2022, 12:50:54 pm
Yeah, I wouldn't get Gruden either. I didn't like him too much as a coach and it wouldn't happen anyway. Imagine firing a black coach after 2 winning seasons to hire a guy fired for racist emails? Never would hear the end of it.
If he won a playoff game, you wouldn't hear anymore about it in Miami.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: DenverFinFan on January 10, 2022, 01:04:40 pm
John Fox LOL

Doug Pedersen sounds best of all the names I’ve heard floated so far.

Ross might just be acting coy regarding Harbaugh but idk.

I’d rather not try an assistant again. Haven’t we done that since Sparano at least?


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: miamid45 on January 10, 2022, 01:25:16 pm
Harbaugh first
Pederson 2nd

Grier out….


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 10, 2022, 01:28:32 pm
Josh McDanials ?


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 10, 2022, 01:33:48 pm
Josh McDanials ?
That's the type of guy that Ross would hire. I wouldn't.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 10, 2022, 01:56:39 pm
Jim Caldwell?


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dave Gray on January 10, 2022, 02:14:02 pm
So do I, but I still think he can coach.

Oh not me.  He's a bum coach, too.  His racist misogyny is a bonus feature.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: BeanCounter on January 10, 2022, 03:06:33 pm
Dolphins ain’t getting anyone good while Grier is the GM.  No one with head coaching experience is going to come here just to be thrown under the bus by a GM who hasn’t done shit to turn this franchise around.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 10, 2022, 03:10:53 pm
Dolphins ain’t getting anyone good while Grier is the GM.  No one with head coaching experience is going to come here just to be thrown under the bus by a GM who hasn’t done shit to turn this franchise around.

Agreed.   Just like in 2011 with Sparano/Ireland then again in 2013 with Philbin/Hickey.   You can't fire your coach  and keep your GM on (or vice versa).   Doing that ties your hands and makes a lot of candidates off limits to you.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 10, 2022, 05:04:15 pm
Hate to get dark so soon, but you guys are right about the GM thing. No one wants to work for a GM that owns the owner's ear and doesn't take responsibility for his obvious mistakes. Our only shot might be Harbaugh as he would demand total control. I don't see anyone else who could come in and make demands like that who Ross would listen to.



Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 10, 2022, 06:01:13 pm
Jim Caldwell?
I like him but he already had to leave for medical reasons. I don't know that I woud risk it.

I had mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Jax should hire Doug Pederson or we should bring him in as OC. I think we need to go experinced this time as up and comer hasn't worked and he would bring that.

I think the bigger question is does the new coach keep Josh Boyer as the Defensive coordinator? sure would help to keep some continuity.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: masterfins on January 10, 2022, 06:36:50 pm
Jim Caldwell?

Jim Caldwell was the best coach the Lions had in years and they fired him after back to back winning seasons, why on Earth would he want to go to a team that just did the same thing to their coach.

In the last three years Miami has been moving away from their disfunctional past (with the exception of the Watson rumors this year) and in one fell swoop Ross & Grier have made them a laughing stock.  No free agents are going to want to come to Miami, and what good players Miami has will be requesting trades.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on January 10, 2022, 10:07:45 pm
Sean Peyton


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on January 10, 2022, 11:18:08 pm
Of who may be available, Harbaugh would be obviously at or near top of the list. He's done this before at NFL level with a young QB and sound defense, hopefully his experience, confidence and name will draw much better coaching assistants. He's also likely to have the ear of Ross as much if not more than Grier, so it's likely he will get his way...

Pederson is a very similar story - he may not be as immediately tied to Ross, but he does already have a Superbowl ring. He got a raw deal at Philadelphia, and with so many teams looking to fill the HC position he will also be near the top of their choices.

I like Caldwell, I think he got a raw deal at Detroit (and Indy for that matter), but would he be interested after leaving us during the year for medical reasons, and then not returning?

I don't want Gruden. He's a lucky asshole whose luck finally ran out.

As much as I think Bieniemy and McDaniels (this time) are ready to step up to be HC, after our run of three failed rookie head coaches I would prefer us to get a guy with prior experience and success.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: masterfins on January 11, 2022, 02:58:48 am
I think the only guy out there that is not a rookie, and that Miami has a reasonable chance of attracting is Doug Pederson.  I don't see any other guy with HC experience that would be willing to come to Miami.

But who knows, maybe the Dolphins will get lucky and bring in Zimmer and Spielman from the Vikes. lol


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 11, 2022, 03:11:14 am
please god, not another Belichick flunkie


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 11, 2022, 08:39:30 am
Doug Pederson seems to be the best candidate right now but he is already interviewing with teams so we need to get on this.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 11, 2022, 08:59:28 am
They asked to interview Brian Daboll.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 11, 2022, 09:28:25 am
I think Gruden is a bum.
Extreme bum who is wildly overrated.  The only time he was good was his first tour with the Raiders.  When he came to Tampa, they won that Superbowl in spite of that terrible offense.  I want to say the Defense outscored the Offense until week 3 or 4 of the season.  Even when the offense got "hot" in the playoffs, it was more like it got "warm". 


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 11, 2022, 09:36:02 am
They asked to interview Brian Daboll.

Would rather not. Don't want another first timer, plus it may not be weeks until he can accept anyway due to the Bills in the playoffs. If we focus on him we could lose out on other candidates and he may not want the job in the end anyway.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 11, 2022, 10:14:38 am
Would rather not. Don't want another first timer, plus it may not be weeks until he can accept anyway due to the Bills in the playoffs. If we focus on him we could lose out on other candidates and he may not want the job in the end anyway.

I am hoping he becomes available this weekend.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 11, 2022, 02:06:40 pm
Josh McDanials ?

I got that half right.  They are interviewing Mike *McDaniels*


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 11, 2022, 02:18:57 pm
I got that half right.  They are interviewing Mike *McDaniels*

A first year OC who doesn't even call his own plays? Oh God, bring back Flores if we are going to do shit like this.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 11, 2022, 02:24:33 pm
Dude looks like a 20 something gamer ...  hahaha. Why in the heck are they only looking at first time coaches? We've struck out 4 times already.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2022, 02:40:11 pm
See this is the problem. I don't think any head coaching candidates with experience are stepping up to Ross saying they WANT to be coach of the Dolphins. If they would Ross would certainly interview them.  All these first time Head Coaches will do anything to be a head coach.

I will say this, at least Josh McDaniels has some head coaching experience. I'd take him over any of the others without any head coaching experience.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 11, 2022, 03:21:37 pm
See this is the problem. I don't think any head coaching candidates with experience are stepping up to Ross saying they WANT to be coach of the Dolphins. If they would Ross would certainly interview them.  All these first time Head Coaches will do anything to be a head coach.

I will say this, at least Josh McDaniels has some head coaching experience. I'd take him over any of the others without any head coaching experience.

I don't think coaches call the teams themselves, they wait for the calls. As far as McDaniels goes, I would rather have him than another first timer. Maybe he had time to learn from his mistakes. However, like Daboll, if you wait for him then you put all your eggs in their basket as the other candidates will be snatched up by then.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 11, 2022, 03:25:28 pm
We have requested to interview Dan Quinn, current Cowboys DC.

Had a decent run in Atlanta but who could ever forget 27-3? We need a guy to help us win the big games, so hiring the coach behind the greatest Superbowl collapse in history might not be such a great idea. Defensive minded bald coach? Yeah, maybe look elsewhere.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2022, 05:57:35 pm
I hope this is true.

https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/1480940213216153605?s=20


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: masterfins on January 11, 2022, 07:05:31 pm
Dude looks like a 20 something gamer ...  hahaha. Why in the heck are they only looking at first time coaches? We've struck out 4 times already.

Because the dysfunction has returned to Miami, and nobody with HC experience wants to come be a part of this dumpster fire.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 11, 2022, 07:41:55 pm
I hope this is true.

https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/1480940213216153605?s=20

Aside from Pederson, who is available with prior successful HC experience? Dan Quinn doesn't count as I think we all agree his success was more due to others and the Superbowl collapse should never be forgotten.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: pondwater on January 11, 2022, 08:26:30 pm
Sean Peyton
Fuck that silly shit...


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 12, 2022, 09:15:11 am
We requested to interview Vance Joseph, who is another guy who already worked for us at one point.

Not liking these interview requests so far, gotta be honest. Vance was a disaster in Denver. Quinn has been discussed already. Niners OC doesn't even call his own plays. Hard to get optimistic about any of these guys.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 12, 2022, 11:27:06 am
Can't quite grasp why they haven't requested Pederson. He's actually had success as a head coach unlike Joseph.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 12, 2022, 11:53:25 am
Can't quite grasp why they haven't requested Pederson. He's actually had success as a head coach unlike Joseph.

Only thing I can think of is Grier knowing it's easier to blame failure on a first time coach rather than an established one but that is a total guess on my part.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 12, 2022, 01:05:29 pm
Only thing I can think of is Grier knowing it's easier to blame failure on a first time coach rather than an established one but that is a total guess on my part.
Or they reached out to Pederson to see if he would come for an interview and he politely said no, which is my fear.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 12, 2022, 03:20:40 pm
I'm just going to throw this out there. I like the guy but if they hire Vance Joseph it has a lot to do with the color of his skin. Joseph was barely a coordinator when he went to Denver and did nothing while there.

I think being head coach in the NFL has more to do with who you can hire to help you and these first time coaches seem to have the least amount of connections or trust. I heard someone saying that's why ex Patriot coaches fail as head coches. They are limited on who they get to help them coach.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 12, 2022, 03:22:48 pm
I'm just going to throw this out there. I like the guy but if they hire Vance Joseph it has a lot to do with the color of his skin. Joseph was barely a coordinator when he went to Denver and did nothing while there.

I think being head coach in the NFL has more to do with who you can hire to help you and these first time coaches seem to have the least amount of connections or trust. I heard someone saying that's why ex Patriot coaches fail as head coches. They are limited on who they get to help them coach.

I don't know if his skin color would be why they hire him but it can certainly be why they interview him due to the Rooney rule.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 12, 2022, 03:41:08 pm

I think being head coach in the NFL has more to do with who you can hire to help you and these first time coaches seem to have the least amount of connections or trust. I heard someone saying that's why ex Patriot coaches fail as head coches. They are limited on who they get to help them coach.


I think that is part of it.  I think other factors are BB can say eff you to soothing egos and office politics and get away with it (since 2004) because he has established himself.  Anyone else it fails.  Also I think having only one mentor limits your ability to find your own direction.  My ideal HC candidate is someone who has coached on multiple teams under multiple different HCs.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 12, 2022, 04:53:23 pm
I'm just going to throw this out there. I like the guy but if they hire Vance Joseph it has a lot to do with the color of his skin. Joseph was barely a coordinator when he went to Denver and did nothing while there.
We'll know that the NFL has truly achieved equality when minority coaches can fail upward as often as white coaches like Doug Marrone, Jim Tomsula, Dan Campbell, and Chuck Pagano.  :D


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 12, 2022, 05:02:26 pm
We'll know that the NFL has truly achieved equality when minority coaches can fail upward as often as white coaches like Doug Marrone, Jim Tomsula, Dan Campbell, and Chuck Pagano.  :D

Leave our boy Dan Campbell alone. Everybody loves him and his enthusiasm for cocaine.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 12, 2022, 05:06:02 pm
We'll know that the NFL has truly achieved equality when minority coaches can fail upward as often as white coaches like Doug Marrone, Jim Tomsula, Dan Campbell, and Chuck Pagano.  :D

25 coaches who were successful in their second chance….only one isn’t white

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles... (https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/the_best_second_chance_coaching_tenures_in_nfl_history/s1__33540848#slide_2)


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dolfanalyst on January 14, 2022, 01:00:52 pm
Josh McDaniels:

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1481348935784583170


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 14, 2022, 01:39:35 pm
Thomas Brown


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 14, 2022, 03:09:10 pm
Eric Bieniemy is the current favorite to be our next HC tied with Josh McDaniel. He is another coordinator that doesn't seem to call his own plays so I am skeptical.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 14, 2022, 04:03:12 pm
Eric Bieniemy is the current favorite to be our next HC tied with Josh McDaniel. He is another coordinator that doesn't seem to call his own plays so I am skeptical.

Firing Flores to replace him with Josh M. is fucking nuts.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 14, 2022, 04:32:34 pm
Firing Flores to replace him with Josh M. is fucking nuts.

Whoever the new coach is, if he comes in like a hardass he will lose the locker room on Day 1 as they will all go "here we go again with this shit".


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dolfanalyst on January 14, 2022, 04:56:43 pm
Eric Bieniemy is the current favorite to be our next HC tied with Josh McDaniel. He is another coordinator that doesn't seem to call his own plays so I am skeptical.

With Bieniemy you get the KC offensive architecture, which is huge.  Nobody is a guarantee to be a great HC obviously, but acquiring some key ingredient that's been strongly associated with winning for a great team at least increases the probability of it.  Obviously Mahomes and company are big pieces of that puzzle as well, but Andy Reid's offense gets players open in the passing game.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 14, 2022, 04:58:13 pm
In the same way Flores was afraid to bring in experinced coaches for the offense it sure seems like Chris Grier is looking for a coach that will come in without any experince. We've tried that many times with the same result. Crazy thought ... try something else. The best results we have had have been under already established coaches like Shula and Johnson. Neither of which woud have cowered to Grier either.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 14, 2022, 06:39:34 pm
So there's some news from LeBatard's show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZR7aUEbnuE&t=2049s) claiming that the gears are in motion to bring Harbaugh to Miami.

In a nutshell: Ross was very deliberate when he said he "would not be the one to take Harbaugh from Michigan."  So the plan is for Harbaugh to resign, interview with a few NFL teams, then come to Miami.

I have two problems with this theory.

First, from the Harbaugh side: if he is so excited to work for Ross - excited enough to quit his current job at his alma mater - why'd he spurn the Dolphins back in 2011 to go work for the 49ers?  Is it just that he was already in the Bay Area because he was coaching at Stanford?  (I'll also concede that maybe working with a spoiled brat owner like Jed York gave him some new perspective on the importance of supportive ownership.)

Second, from the Ross side: it seems like Ross truly does care more about Michigan than the Dolphins.  But even if he does truly care about them equally, it's counterproductive to take your dream coach from one of your beloved teams and move him to the other, because now you have to backfill Harbaugh at Michigan.  It simply doesn't make sense.

Nevertheless, it's food for thought.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 14, 2022, 07:31:54 pm
^^^

I do think there is something there. From Harbaugh's POV, the guy was forced to take a paycut or be fired and he responded with his best season. Don't think that wasn't a screw you and weighing on his mind. Why would he sign a big money extension to a school he just took a paycut from?

Ross does want Harbaugh and this could be his last shot to get him. It just makes too much sense for both parties, only think standing in the way is how will Grier work with Harbagh and will Jim accept a job where he isn't the GM? Will Grier move onto a "Presidential" role while Harbaugh is GM as well?

It remains the best option for us, he has a great NFL and College resume. Maybe in 4 years time we will be cursing his name but I think we would have big success with him before that time came.

Tick tock, though.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 15, 2022, 04:20:15 pm
Dan Quinn looks very likely to be hired by the Broncos and the Texans job is probably going to Flores. So, 2 openings look to be gone and 1 of our candidates even though I don't think anyone wanted Quinn anyway.

Could create a buyer's market for us if another job goes to one of the lesser assistants. Rumor is that the Cowboys might fire McCarthy if they lose this weekend. The Dallas job would probably be the most attractive on the market if they do that.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 16, 2022, 10:31:31 am
So there's some news from LeBatard's show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZR7aUEbnuE&t=2049s) claiming that the gears are in motion to bring Harbaugh to Miami.

In a nutshell: Ross was very deliberate when he said he "would not be the one to take Harbaugh from Michigan."  So the plan is for Harbaugh to resign, interview with a few NFL teams, then come to Miami.
Why would they go through all those machinations? Harbaugh isn't as dumb as Ross is. If he was interested in the Miami job he'd just talk to Ross and they'd get it done, he's certainly not worried about leaving Michigan, he's not worried about how it would look. Sorry, no I have to believe this is PURE speculation and more accurately hopeful wishing.

I think what a lot of people are missing is that it's not just whom Ross would like to have coach Miami, it's also who would like to take the position. I feel pretty certain that Ross has already put out a vibe to Harbaugh and Harbaugh is not interested in coaching Miami or Ross would be going after him. This BS about taking him away from Michigan is just him trying to keep Harbaugh there instead of going to another NFL team. He's RIGHT that he's not taking him away from Michigan but that's because Harbaugh doesn't want to come.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dolfanalyst on January 16, 2022, 10:38:44 am
Why would they go through all those machinations? Harbaugh isn't as dumb as Ross is. If he was interested in the Miami job he'd just talk to Ross and they'd get it done, he's certainly not worried about leaving Michigan, he's not worried about how it would look. Sorry, no I have to believe this is PURE speculation and more accurately hopeful wishing.

I think what a lot of people are missing is that it's not just whom Ross would like to have coach Miami, it's also who would like to take the position. I feel pretty certain that Ross has already put out a vibe to Harbaugh and Harbaugh is not interested in coaching Miami or Ross would be going after him. This BS about taking him away from Michigan is just him trying to keep Harbaugh there instead of going to another NFL team. He's RIGHT that he's not taking him away from Michigan but that's because Harbaugh doesn't want to come.

If I were in Harbaugh's position and I was interested in going back to the NFL, I would stay put until I had an offer from a team that had a bona fide great QB.  Not every coach who wants to be a head coach in the NFL can wait until that opportunity arises, but he certainly can.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 16, 2022, 12:52:47 pm
If I were in Harbaugh's position and I was interested in going back to the NFL, I would stay put until I had an offer from a team that had a bona fide great QB.  Not every coach who wants to be a head coach in the NFL can wait until that opportunity arises, but he certainly can.

But how many teams have great QBs and a coaching vacancy? Odds are, if you got a great QB then the team is winning and the coach stays.

Rumor is Cowboys would fire McCarthy if they lose today so there is one such instance but would a guy like Harbaugh want to work for Jerry Jones?


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: hordman on January 16, 2022, 02:08:22 pm
Second, from the Ross side: it seems like Ross truly does care more about Michigan than the Dolphins.  But even if he does truly care about them equally, it's counterproductive to take your dream coach from one of your beloved teams and move him to the other, because now you have to backfill Harbaugh at Michigan.  It simply doesn't make sense.

Nevertheless, it's food for thought.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but Michigna football sucks.  End of story


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 17, 2022, 12:56:31 pm
Ralph Vacciano says that Flores and Brian Daboll are frontrunners for the Giants gig. However, Miami is flying out to Buffalo to interview Daboll. Between the Texans or Giants, Flores really can't win but I would rather go to the Texans if I get to keep Watson.

Daboll is definitely not my preferred choice, but maybe the best of the first time coordinators out there with his connections to Tua and maybe it hurts Buffalo too. Rather an OC than a DC.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 17, 2022, 01:32:12 pm
Ralph Vacciano says that Flores and Brian Daboll are frontrunners for the Giants gig. However, Miami is flying out to Buffalo to interview Daboll. Between the Texans or Giants, Flores really can't win but I would rather go to the Texans if I get to keep Watson.

Daboll is definitely not my preferred choice, but maybe the best of the first time coordinators out there with his connections to Tua and maybe it hurts Buffalo too. Rather an OC than a DC.

Wasn't he the offensive coordinator in that disastrous 2011 season where the Dolphins finished 6-10 and ended with Sparano being fired late in the season? 

For Ross to even consider DUHboll is laughable and yet another black mark on Ross's idiotic blunders.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 17, 2022, 02:12:13 pm
Wasn't he the offensive coordinator in that disastrous 2011 season where the Dolphins finished 6-10 and ended with Sparano being fired late in the season? 

For Ross to even consider DUHboll is laughable and yet another black mark on Ross's idiotic blunders.

Wikipedia says we went from 30th to 20th in total offense under him for that one year.

His resume is long but nothing to write home about except his recent stint in Buffalo. What it comes down to, is do we give him the credit for Allen or does Allen deserve the credit for Daboll? If we hire Daboll and Josh Allen throws for 460 yards in Week 1, we are probably in deep shit. To me, he seems like a hire you make when your first 2 guys didn't take the job, not your #1 choice. All jokes about Miami aside, we are coming off of 2 winning seasons and have good cap space. This is a pretty good job for an HC and probably the best one out there as most teams who fire their coach went 5-12 and have little talent.

We shouldn't be praying that a Brian Daboll takes our calls, he should be praying we take his. We just don't act that way.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2022, 02:19:08 pm
What it comes down to, is do we give him the credit for Allen or does Allen deserve the credit for Daboll?
I think it's been shown that hiring an offensive coordinator as a head coach for what he has done with a QB is pretty much wishful thinking. I'd much rather get a defensive minded head coach to keep the defense doing what it's doing and hire an offensive coordinator to fix the offense. Something that Flores couldn't do.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 17, 2022, 04:32:55 pm
I think it's been shown that hiring an offensive coordinator as a head coach for he has done with a QB is pretty much wishful thinking. I'd much rather get a defensive minded head coach to keep the defense doing what it's doing and hire an offensive coordinator to fix the offense. Something that Flores couldn't do.

Our offense needs to improve dramatically, but unless the HC is calling their own plays, then their hiring of the OC is more important than who our HC is. By far, that was Flores' greatest failing, hs inability to hbire even conventional coaches. Guy had 5 OCs in 3 years, luring Chan Gailey out of retirement and then some weird co-OC experiment. Absolute disaster. Whoever the new guy is, he better be able to get quality people to work for him.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2022, 04:58:37 pm
I'll just leave this here and let ya'll make of it what you will. I did find it interesting.

The late great Tony Sparano on Brian Daboll (https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/s69hfw/the_late_great_tony_sparano_on_brian_daboll/)


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: pondwater on January 17, 2022, 07:08:08 pm
I'm not impressed by our candidates. I would probably hire Pederson over all these OCs


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: masterfins on January 17, 2022, 07:08:34 pm
I think it's been shown that hiring an offensive coordinator as a head coach for what he has done with a QB is pretty much wishful thinking. I'd much rather get a defensive minded head coach to keep the defense doing what it's doing and hire an offensive coordinator to fix the offense. Something that Flores couldn't do.

Agree.  I don't think you should be hiring a Head Coach to essential be your QB coach.  Hire a QB coach to be a QB coach, and hire an OC to be an OC.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 17, 2022, 07:31:20 pm
Agree.  I don't think you should be hiring a Head Coach to essential be your QB coach.  Hire a QB coach to be a QB coach, and hire an OC to be an OC.

Yeah, we can't hire a coach FOR Tua. I am one of his biggest defenders of him on here and that's not how it's done. If we give him more weapons and better coverage this year and he can't be a Top 15 QB, then time to move on. We can't saddle ourselves with a HC for a QB not named Aaron Rodgers.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 18, 2022, 08:39:34 am
My choices are:

Harbaugh>Mike McDaniel>Doug Pederson>Daboll>Jim Caldwell>Josh McDaniels>Todd Bowles>Eric Bieniemy>Kellen Moore


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 18, 2022, 01:23:09 pm
My choices are:

Harbaugh>Mike McDaniel>Doug Pederson>Daboll>Jim Caldwell>Josh McDaniels>Todd Bowles>Eric Bieniemy>Kellen Moore
I serioulsy do no get the love for Harbaugh. He isn't a very good "coach" in my opinion and he is an arsehole who isn't liked by many of the people who he coaches for. Seems like a recipie for disaster to me.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 18, 2022, 01:35:56 pm
I serioulsy do no get the love for Harbaugh. He isn't a very good "coach" in my opinion and he is an arsehole who isn't liked by many of the people who he coaches for. Seems like a recipie for disaster to me.

His track record. He was very succesful with the Niners, almost won a Superbowl with them and he is succesful at Michigan, even if they never reached the top. After countless consecutives failures with first time coordinators becoming head coaches, someone with a proven track record is very enticing. I understand his flaws and he does have a shelf life but I'll take the success that comes with it. At this point, what is really left to lose by trying something different? Let's pull a Costanza and do the opposite of what we've always done.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 18, 2022, 01:37:37 pm
I serioulsy do no get the love for Harbaugh. He isn't a very good "coach" in my opinion and he is an arsehole who isn't liked by many of the people who he coaches for. Seems like a recipie for disaster to me.
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/jim-harbaugh-intrigued-by-new-york-giants-head-coaching-vacancy/ (https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/jim-harbaugh-intrigued-by-new-york-giants-head-coaching-vacancy/)

Harbaugh compiled a record of 44-19-1 in four seasons with the San Francisco 49ers, and has posted a 61-24 record since taking over at Michigan.

Oh and he took his team to a Superbowl with Kaepernick as his QB.  He was just in the final four playoff for the national championship in CFB.  You aren't being honest with yourself if you don't think he's a good coach.  


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 18, 2022, 01:39:51 pm
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/jim-harbaugh-intrigued-by-new-york-giants-head-coaching-vacancy/ (https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/jim-harbaugh-intrigued-by-new-york-giants-head-coaching-vacancy/)

Harbaugh compiled a record of 44-19-1 in four seasons with the San Francisco 49ers, and has posted a 61-24 record since taking over at Michigan.

Oh and he took his team to a Superbowl with Kaepernick as his QB.  He was just in the final four playoff for the national championship in CFB.  You aren't being honest with yourself if you don't think he's a good coach.  

Harbaugh and NY media are a recipe for disaster. I can understand the intrigue as they don't have a GM either and he would probably want total control but when they start 2-5, the local papers and their puns will be gunning for him. "HAR-BUM!! PRICEY HEAD COACH JUST ANOTHER FAILURE!!"


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 18, 2022, 01:47:31 pm
Harbaugh and NY media are a recipe for disaster. I can understand the intrigue as they don't have a GM either and he would probably want total control but when they start 2-5, the local papers and their puns will be gunning for him. "HAR-BUM!! PRICEY HEAD COACH JUST ANOTHER FAILURE!!"
Most of Michigan's games are soft. What's his record in big games where he is coaching against good coaches? His success in the NFL was a short term fluke based on his running qb and they sucked by the time he left.

At Michigan up through October.

2-13 vs. Top 10 (54-10 vs. everyone else.)

3-9 vs. OSU/MSU (35-8 vs. rest of the Big Ten)


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 18, 2022, 01:59:57 pm
Harbaugh and NY media are a recipe for disaster. I can understand the intrigue as they don't have a GM either and he would probably want total control but when they start 2-5, the local papers and their puns will be gunning for him. "HAR-BUM!! PRICEY HEAD COACH JUST ANOTHER FAILURE!!"
I doubt he goes to NY, I was just using their source for his win loss record.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 18, 2022, 02:14:49 pm
Most of Michigan's games are soft. What's his record in big games where he is coaching against good coaches? His success in the NFL was a short term fluke based on his running qb and they sucked by the time he left.

At Michigan up through October.

2-13 vs. Top 10 (54-10 vs. everyone else.)

3-9 vs. OSU/MSU (35-8 vs. rest of the Big Ten)

College is more about recruiting than coaching. Saban is such an amazing recruiter at this point he could take the year off and any random assistant can make them a Top 4 team. Ohio State dominates the Big 10 and the SEC dominates the rest. Michigan is a good team but until this year they weren't a perennial contender. I can't even name any of their QBs off the top of my head.

As far as the Niners go, Kaepernick sucks. So, Harbaugh almost winning a Superbowl with a gimmicky QB with a short shelf life is pretty impressive to me. I just think of all the coaching candidates available right now, he is the best one. Everyone else is either a first timer or has a bad resume like Dan Quinn. For once, we should take someone with a good track record if he is available.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: pondwater on January 18, 2022, 02:43:21 pm
College is more about recruiting than coaching. Saban is such an amazing recruiter at this point he could take the year off and any random assistant can make them a Top 4 team. Ohio State dominates the Big 10 and the SEC dominates the rest. Michigan is a good team but until this year they weren't a perennial contender. I can't even name any of their QBs off the top of my head.

As far as the Niners go, Kaepernick sucks. So, Harbaugh almost winning a Superbowl with a gimmicky QB with a short shelf life is pretty impressive to me. I just think of all the coaching candidates available right now, he is the best one. Everyone else is either a first timer or has a bad resume like Dan Quinn. For once, we should take someone with a good track record if he is available.
I would argue that Pederson took a crazy QB situation, won their divisions twice, and went to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years with a super bowl win.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 18, 2022, 02:59:55 pm
I would argue that Pederson took a crazy QB situation, won their divisions twice, and went to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years with a super bowl win.

He is my #2 choice. Daboll would be a distant 3rd for me.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 18, 2022, 03:58:17 pm
I would argue that Pederson took a crazy QB situation, won their divisions twice, and went to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years with a super bowl win.
Pederson is my number one choice but Daboll is a close second. That guy helped make Josh Allen what he is today. Do you guys remember him from his first couple of years in the league? He would miss wide open receivers all the time.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 18, 2022, 04:34:24 pm
Pederson is my number one choice but Daboll is a close second. That guy helped make Josh Allen what he is today. Do you guys remember him from his first couple of years in the league? He would miss wide open receivers all the time.

But is he a QB whisperer or did Allen just mature while also gaining the best WR in football? Give Tua Cooper Kupp next year and we could bring back Wannstedt and it would be shocking if his numbers didn't drastically improve.

We are scheduled to interview the Niners OC tomorrow. I don't think we will be making a decision anytime soon.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 18, 2022, 05:47:34 pm
I'm tired of first-time head coaches.

My top three are Pederson, Harbaugh, Caldwell (and I'm not super firm on that order).


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: masterfins on January 18, 2022, 07:33:19 pm
Yeah, we can't hire a coach FOR Tua. I am one of his biggest defenders of him on here and that's not how it's done. If we give him more weapons and better coverage this year and he can't be a Top 15 QB, then time to move on. We can't saddle ourselves with a HC for a QB not named Aaron Rodgers.

I wonder what could have been this past year had Fuller played the season up to his potential, and pringles didn't spend half the season on IR.  If those two players were healthy the majority of the year then I think the Dolphins are in the playoffs.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 18, 2022, 08:45:49 pm
I wonder what could have been this past year had Fuller played the season up to his potential, and pringles didn't spend half the season on IR.  If those two players were healthy the majority of the year then I think the Dolphins are in the playoffs.

I think we contend for the division if Fuller had a 900 yard season and Parker was around 700 because he was healthy. I will defend the Fuller contract all day as no one's worst case scenario was "Miss 16 games with a finger injury". Parker is now our 3rd or 4th WR and should be treated as such.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 19, 2022, 09:46:03 am
Michigan is a good team but until this year,I can't even name any of their QBs off the top of my head.


Let’s see I can name three off the top of my head…..

Brian Griese.

Chad Henne

Tom Brady. 

I am sure there are more


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 19, 2022, 09:59:20 am
Let’s see I can name three off the top of my head…..

Brian Griese.

Chad Henne

Tom Brady. 

I am sure there are more

That guy that the Yankees drafted to play 3rd base.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 19, 2022, 10:30:15 am
Let’s see I can name three off the top of my head…..

Brian Griese.

Chad Henne

Tom Brady. 

I am sure there are more

That guy that the Yankees drafted to play 3rd base.

That would be Drew Henson.   Here's a few others not named by Hoodie:

Jim Harbaugh

Elvis Grbac

Todd Collins

John Navarre

Denard Robinson

Wilton Speight

Cade McNamara



Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 20, 2022, 02:56:58 pm
Any reason Lslie Frazier isn't getting more attention? His defenses are great and he did have a winning seaosn in Minnesota despite having trash QBs every year. Not saying he should be the frontrunner but he should be higher than some of these Coordinators with no prior experience.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 20, 2022, 03:37:57 pm
Any reason Lslie Frazier isn't getting more attention? His defenses are great and he did have a winning seaosn in Minnesota despite having trash QBs every year. Not saying he should be the frontrunner but he should be higher than some of these Coordinators with no prior experience.

If you can get a top quality offensive coordinator, I would not mind giving him a second shot at a head coaching gig.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dave Gray on January 20, 2022, 04:11:13 pm
This may be a dumb thing to say, but I'm going to say it.

I don't really care how good of a QB coach a guy is, unless we're bringing him in to be the QB coach.

I get the obvious stuff, like a guy who can recognize talent and help stop bad habits, but a head coach is its own set of managerial skills.  ...the same goes for these play callers.  Unless you're bringing in the guy to call plays, it seems like you're focusing on the wrong stuff.  I want a top down guy who can manage the flow of a game and let his assistants do their stuff.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 20, 2022, 05:14:18 pm
This may be a dumb thing to say, but I'm going to say it.

I don't really care how good of a QB coach a guy is, unless we're bringing him in to be the QB coach.

I get the obvious stuff, like a guy who can recognize talent and help stop bad habits, but a head coach is its own set of managerial skills.  ...the same goes for these play callers.  Unless you're bringing in the guy to call plays, it seems like you're focusing on the wrong stuff.  I want a top down guy who can manage the flow of a game and let his assistants do their stuff.
I think a guy who is good at both ... meaning both management of personalities and offensive minded coach. In the same way Flores created his defense with Josh Boyer a great offensive coach can mentor and byuild his offense. Heck ... Andy Reid still calls plays. The key is finding coaches to fill in for your weaknesses.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dolfanalyst on January 21, 2022, 09:29:59 am
This may be a dumb thing to say, but I'm going to say it.

I don't really care how good of a QB coach a guy is, unless we're bringing him in to be the QB coach.

I get the obvious stuff, like a guy who can recognize talent and help stop bad habits, but a head coach is its own set of managerial skills.  ...the same goes for these play callers.  Unless you're bringing in the guy to call plays, it seems like you're focusing on the wrong stuff.  I want a top down guy who can manage the flow of a game and let his assistants do their stuff.

Whether someone will be promoted to his level of incompetence is certainly a concern.  The way you get around that to some degree in my opinion is by hiring the best OC available and making him the HC who calls his own plays.  That way you focus on 1) the most important part of the game (offense), and 2) having the new HC do something very important he's already proven he can do well (calling plays).  That way you get the benefit of what he's already competent to do, in the most important area of the game, and so it may mitigate whatever he proves himself otherwise insufficiently competent to do.

Take Andy Reid for example -- he may be incompetent in some areas of his job as a HC for all we know (or maybe he isn't), but when you combine his play-calling with Patrick Mahomes and the other things the team has going for it, those other areas of incompetence may be meaningless.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: Dave Gray on January 21, 2022, 11:13:53 am
The issue with Reid is his urgency and time management seem off -- maybe that has to do with calling plays.  He doesn't have enough jobs to do both call the plays and evaluate all the other stuff.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 21, 2022, 11:20:15 am
The issue with Reid is his urgency and time management seem off -- maybe that has to do with calling plays.  He doesn't have enough jobs to do both call the plays and evaluate all the other stuff.

Reid was basically the worst clock manager in the history of the playoffs. I think you could find YouTube compilations of his incompetence. He must have delegated that to someone else in recent years, hence the success.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 21, 2022, 01:07:47 pm
Giants requested to interview Flores who is high on their list. As of now, Daboll and Flores are 1 and 2 for the Giants. If the Giants make the Bills' Assistant GM their GM, then I would imagine Daboll would be hired.

Either way, lots of interviews in the league and no hires yet. I think that's because so many candidates are still in the playoffs. By Monday or Tuesday, we should have our first hires unless someone falls in love with Dan Quinn or Flores.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 21, 2022, 01:27:21 pm
Giants requested to interview Flores who is high on their list. As of now, Daboll and Flores are 1 and 2 for the Giants. If the Giants make the Bills' Assistant GM their GM, then I would imagine Daboll would be hired.

Either way, lots of interviews in the league and no hires yet. I think that's because so many candidates are still in the playoffs. By Monday or Tuesday, we should have our first hires unless someone falls in love with Dan Quinn or Flores.
Peter King named big reasons why someone wouldn't hire Flores and it pretty much had to do with staff. In three years he never developed an offensive staff that was decent. 4 OCs. 3 OL coaches and 2 assistant OL coaches. I think he should have been fired for having co-coordinators with the QB coach calling plays. SMH


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 21, 2022, 01:28:53 pm
Giants requested to interview Flores who is high on their list. As of now, Daboll and Flores are 1 and 2 for the Giants. If the Giants make the Bills' Assistant GM their GM, then I would imagine Daboll would be hired.

Either way, lots of interviews in the league and no hires yet. I think that's because so many candidates are still in the playoffs. By Monday or Tuesday, we should have our first hires unless someone falls in love with Dan Quinn or Flores.

They changed the rules this year to allow assistant coaches whose teams are in the playoffs to have a shot at interviews.   That distracts said assistant coach from preparing his game plan and being 100% focused.

IMO, they should not allow any interviews/hires until after the Super Bowl.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 21, 2022, 01:42:01 pm
They changed the rules this year to allow assistant coaches whose teams are in the playoffs to have a shot at interviews.   That distracts said assistant coach from preparing his game plan and being 100% focused.

IMO, they should not allow any interviews/hires until after the Super Bowl.

I didn't think that was an official rule, I just thought the teams themselves would say no so they could focus on the playoffs. I agree with you, as a player I would be upset if my OC wasn't focused 100% on my game because he is trying to work for the enemy.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 pm
Peter King named big reasons why someone wouldn't hire Flores and it pretty much had to do with staff. In three years he never developed an offensive staff that was decent. 4 OCs. 3 OL coaches and 2 assistant OL coaches. I think he should have been fired for having co-coordinators with the QB coach calling plays. SMH

Oh, 100%. When the dust settles, he might be one of the all-time worst when it comes to hiring staff for this franchise. Thing is, that's why I say I think there is a lot of talent on this team and the right coaching can make us division contenders very quickly. We went 9-8 with the aforementioned 2 OC's who didn't even call their own plays for some parts of the year. Abysmal O-Line coaching too. Get a good staff and we can add 3 wins.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 21, 2022, 03:39:22 pm
They changed the rules this year to allow assistant coaches whose teams are in the playoffs to have a shot at interviews.   That distracts said assistant coach from preparing his game plan and being 100% focused.

IMO, they should not allow any interviews/hires until after the Super Bowl.
I'm not buying it. They are doing meetings online and it doesn't take a ton of research to sell yourself and your accomplishments. If you think anyone on these teams are not doing anything but focusing on football you are sadly mistaken. If we're talking about the Bills coaches they already know our team and any other they've played better than most of us.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 21, 2022, 04:16:45 pm
I'm not buying it. They are doing meetings online and it doesn't take a ton of research to sell yourself and your accomplishments. If you think anyone on these teams are not doing anything but focusing on football you are sadly mistaken. If we're talking about the Bills coaches they already know our team and any other they've played better than most of us.

Well, what is the schedule for coaches for the playoffs? I imagine it is basically 24/7 when your season is on the line. So, even remotely, spending 4 hours before midnight is important. I'm not saying they can't prepare but they are taking time away from preparing to try to work for another football team. Gotta be some negative efefcts to that, even if not Erath shattering.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 24, 2022, 01:51:17 pm
I think the first name to drop is Brian Daboll. Giants have him in for a 2nd interview and they are likely to hire Biffalo's currest Assistant GM as their GM, so it all fits nicely. Bears are hot on him too but the Giants appear to be the frontrunner.

I think we are in better shape than both of those teams so if we don't get Daboll either we didn't really want him or he rejected us.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 24, 2022, 02:43:08 pm
I think the first name to drop is Brian Daboll. Giants have him in for a 2nd interview and they are likely to hire Biffalo's currest Assistant GM as their GM, so it all fits nicely. Bears are hot on him too but the Giants appear to be the frontrunner.

I think we are in better shape than both of those teams so if we don't get Daboll either we didn't really want him or he rejected us.
Can I just say at this point I don't trust Grier or Ross to decide.

Joe Rose NEVER discusses inside information he gets from inside the organization. Remember Dan Marino is his best friend let alone others in the organization. Well I think he slipped up today. He was saying people in the organization think we are close to being a championship team and disagree with him on how far we are away on offense ... meaning how basically everything needs to be upgraded from O-line, WRs, Rbs and even QB. If they aren't making a big run at Daboll or don't want him because he disagrees then they will scare off most legitimate coaches too. Being a dolphins fan is like being stuck in purgatory. We have memories of better times but they will never happen again.  

Josh Allen said “I think teams would be foolish not to offer Brian Daboll a job,” Allen said, via Alaina Getzenberg of ESPN. “I’m praying they don’t, because I want him back here, but I love him and his family too much to really think that. I think he’s one of the best coaches in the league.”


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 24, 2022, 03:10:59 pm
Can I just say at this point I don't trust Grier or Ross to decide.

Joe Rose NEVER discusses inside information he gets from inside the organization. Remember Dan Marino is his best friend let alone others in the organization. Well I think he slipped up today. He was saying people in the organization think we are close to being a championship team and disagree with him on how far we are away on offense ... meaning how basically everything needs to be upgraded from O-line, WRs, Rbs and even QB. If they aren't making a big run at Daboll or don't want him because he disagrees then they will scare off most legitimate coaches too. Being a dolphins fan is like being stuck in purgatory. We have memories of better times but they will never happen again.  

Josh Allen said “I think teams would be foolish not to offer Brian Daboll a job,” Allen said, via Alaina Getzenberg of ESPN. “I’m praying they don’t, because I want him back here, but I love him and his family too much to really think that. I think he’s one of the best coaches in the league.”

There is a difference between thinking that good coaching can bring out a lot more with some of our talent and saying "No, thank you" to upgrading at any position because we have a Superbowl team already. Better coaching will help and I genuinely think we could win 12 games next year with a real coaching staff but we won't win a Superbowl next year without much better coaching and significant upgrades at O-Line and WR and probably a few other spots. If we are telling potential hires not to expect much help from free agency or the draft, that's a problem.

Then again, if any coach wants to come in and say "2022 will be a soft rebuild year" then they could fuck off. Some coaches may like that since it buys them time on the job whereas with us, we are coming off of back to back winning seasons and have good cap room. A new coach will immediately be under the hot seat if he goes 6-11. Whoever we hire is in a weird spot because winning teams usually don't fire their coaches and anything but the playoffs this year will be a disappointment.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: masterfins on January 24, 2022, 08:24:28 pm
Now that the Bucs are out of the playoffs, I think Miami really should take a look at Byron Leftwich.  Former NFL QB that could be a mentor to Tua if needed.  Played on four different teams so has a varied experience of how teams are run, including Championship Steelers team.  Has coached with Ariens for three years who thinks he's great, took over running the offense from Ariens.  If Miami is not going to hire an experienced HC, then Leftwich has a lot of experience in different areas both playing and coaching.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 25, 2022, 08:52:47 am
Now that the Bucs are out of the playoffs, I think Miami really should take a look at Byron Leftwich.  Former NFL QB that could be a mentor to Tua if needed.  Played on four different teams so has a varied experience of how teams are run, including Championship Steelers team.  Has coached with Ariens for three years who thinks he's great, took over running the offense from Ariens.  If Miami is not going to hire an experienced HC, then Leftwich has a lot of experience in different areas both playing and coaching.

Coached Brady too and that should have some value.

If we can't get Daboll and don't hire a Harbaugh or even Pedersen, he might be the best choice left.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 25, 2022, 08:58:23 am
Coached Brady too and that should have some value.

If we can't get Daboll and don't hire a Harbaugh or even Pedersen, he might be the best choice left.

If it comes down to Miami and Jax, he will take Jax, considering he played there.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 25, 2022, 09:09:44 am
If it comes down to Miami and Jax, he will take Jax, considering he played there.

I think he knows what an absolute disaster Jax is and how ownership isn't the best, even if they mean well. Literally the worst team in the league and has the "no talent" to back it up. Miami is a much more desirable location but it comes with immediate expectations. Some coaches may not want that.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 25, 2022, 03:41:20 pm
Barry Jackson says Daboll has a lot of fans in the Miami front office. Slow news week despite all of these job openings so take this for what it's worth. Of course, could be Daboll's people just leaking stuff so that another team ups it's offer or decides on Daboll over other candidates.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 25, 2022, 03:45:58 pm
I think he knows what an absolute disaster Jax is and how ownership isn't the best, even if they mean well. Literally the worst team in the league and has the "no talent" to back it up. Miami is a much more desirable location but it comes with immediate expectations. Some coaches may not want that.

But he's the one who can turn it around.  You have a franchise QB and the top draft pick.   You can get a quality edge rusher or a cornerstone left tackle with that pick in this year's draft.   Jacksonville just needs the right guy in the front office and they'll be back to being playoff contenders soon.


Title: Re: Who Are Coaching Candidates?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 25, 2022, 04:04:22 pm
But he's the one who can turn it around.  You have a franchise QB and the top draft pick.   You can get a quality edge rusher or a cornerstone left tackle with that pick in this year's draft.   Jacksonville just needs the right guy in the front office and they'll be back to being playoff contenders soon.

Sure, it's possible but they really have little talent and I don't know how much control their GM had under Urban Meyer. Who was responsible for taking a RB in the 1st round when it wasn't a position of need? It's just a very undesirable job but if it's the only one you are offered, gotta take it. If he has choices, he should take whatever else there is as long as it's not New Orleans.