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If you select "Other" then kindly tell us who you are thinking and why.

Harbaugh, because he can command the best quality assistants of all the available choices.

Me, because I can't possibly do worse than anybody we've had except Gase and Sparano

That is very true. First time coaches don't have an extensive rolodex of people to hire, as we unfortunately just found out.

I feel like in the past the Dolphins approach hiring a coach is like their approach to draft picks. They try to get cute, overthink the situation, and wind up fucking themselves. Pederson has the best accomplishments of all the names I've heard thrown around. That doesn't mean that he's a sure thing to succeed. But Jesus Christ, for once go with the obvious choice.

I choose Other: Lane Kiffin

I just like the guy.  He coached here at FAU, there was a ton of interest, we got better fast, and he played to win.  That last thing is super important.  We didn't always win -- we lost a lot.  But we always went down fighting.  We knew when teams were better than we were and we went in there swinging and it made us respectable.

Also, as a fan, it was just a fun brand of football to watch.

I voted for Pederson, but for me it's really a toss of the coin between him and Harbaugh - my third preference would be Caldwell.

I'm there too with Harbaugh as the top choice. Just anyone with prior experience who had some success.

Dave, are you serious?  Lane Kiffin combines the worst of dirtbag ethics with failson entitlement.  He's like Bobby Petrino, but without the self-sufficiency.  He can barely compete in the Pac-12 and can't even hack it in the SEC... when he was in the NFL, he looked completely overmatched.

Lane Kiffin as coach of the Dolphins would be like Urban Meyer on the Jags, but worse.

I really didn't mean to leave him off. I just added him so you guys can change your vote if you want to.

I agree with you Dan. I think Kiffin is in his element in college but would suffer greatly in the NFL. But then again ... I thought the same of Pete Carroll hahaha.

It's very rare that a college coach succeeds in the NFL (or vice versa).   College football and the NFL are two completely different animals and players need to be handled differently.   A lot of successful coaches in one league failed miserably in the other because they can't handle the different strategy in the other league.

Only Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, and Pete Carroll have won championships at both levels.  And Switzer basically won his Super Bowl with JJ's players and caught luck along the way when Green Bay knocked off San Fran.

I ultimately want Harbaugh for reasons already listed, but I would take Mike McDaniel as a consolation prize.  What he's done with the niners run game is unreal, we could really use that here.  He seems like a goofy hipster dork, but when you hear him talk Xs and Os he's a genius in that same mold as McVay and Kingsbury.  Plus his players absolutely love him, it would be a nice change of pace from Flores.

I admit, the propaganda is starting to get to me about the guy but I am still leary of hiring an OC who doens't call his own plays to be HC. He has no connections in the league due to his age, so who will he get to be his staff? Who will be the OC, just some idiot puppet who doesn't call his own plays either?

Yeah, I'm serious.

I think he has grown up a lot and is competent.  He's a good mix of old school pedigree with new ideas.  I was really sad to see him leave our program here and there were no antics or shenanigans during his tenure.

We already tried this with Joe Philbin.

A lot of teams have.   Countless times, you hear of a loser team firing their coach and hiring one of the coordinators from the two teams in the Super Bowl in order to get a piece of that magic.   More often than not, they don't pan out.

You misunderstand.

The Dolphins specifically tried hiring an offensive coordinator that didn't call plays when they hired Joe Philbin (as opposed to, say, Adam Gase).

I know and I hated that hire from Day 1. It was even worse because his QB was Aaron Rodgers so what the hell did he even do there? I would prefer not to hire the San Fran guy but I'd take him over a Dan Quinn. I'm just coming to terms with the reality that we probably won't be happy with who we pick so a "lottery pick" guy like him can at least delude us into thinking it won't be so bad.

I mean, at least Dan Quinn knows how to hire a staff capable of reaching a Super Bowl.

I would rather not make the Superbowl than go there and blow a 28-3 lead as that would be the last football game I ever watched.

But, point taken. The experienced coaches have more contacts to get a competent staff. Who does this kid know? Hell, Flores didn't know anyone and that was a historic trainwreck.

Anyone but Leslie Frazier.

Pederson is killing this poll and yet the Dolphins don't seem to be interested in interviewing him. Go figure.

I think it's fair to say that none of us can run an NFL offense or defense because it's very intricate and even the worst coordinators have years of knowledge that we don't. However, I do believe the fans can know more than ownership in regards to hiring coaches since we don't have Yes Men in our ears telling us what to do. We have no interest other than who we feel is best.

I think we are going to be disappointed with our hire and it will be universal. I would love to be wrong but Miami has not earned the benefit of the doubt with us.

The rumor mill is saying Vance Joseph will be the new head coach.
It also says Mike McDaniel is a leading candidate.
It also says Brian Dabol is for sure going to the Giants and bringing Ken Dorsey with him.
It also says Harbaugh is def coming to Miami if he leaves Michigan.

So...who know.

Vance would be a very disappointing hire, although one can make a case that he was doomed to fail in Denver if you look at who his QBs were.

Harbuahg, Pedersen, Daboll, McCarthy is probably my Top 4, which means Miami will go with my 27th choice, the Tight Ends Coach from Wichita State.

Daboll isn't taking Dorsey anywhere. Josh Allen already said that's who he wants as OC if Daboll leaves and who wouldn't want to coach Allen at this point? I don't see the Bills upsetting Josh to go with an outsider.

If we hire Vance or any other bland defensive coach then I give up.

I am currently in the "A Head Coach doesn't do much anyway!" stage of grief. I'll take the mediocre and bland coach if he can somehow hire a good staff. That's really all we need. That, and make sure your team doesn't no show 3-4 times a year like we did under Flores.

If this thread is still going next week, I will say "Look, we just need someone who is alive and not incarcerated at the moment. Pending trial is FINE just not convicted."

Can I change my vote to Sean Payton?

He's under contract for a few more years so he isn't available if he returns.

Assuming they aren't going to rip up the contract.

I keep hearing Vance Joseph is our favorite. Kind of funny no one else has interviewed him and yet we think he's the missing piece.

IJS

To me i just want a Head Coach that has head coaching experience and one that has won it all at least once. Doug Pederson seems like the only choice for me.

One question, When Doug Pederson won it all with Philly. How much of it was his coaching philosophy and style vs having a team that anyone could coach to a Superbowl ring. Could anyone explain his style?

They won't pay him but if he returns, he is under the Saints control. I truly think he needs a break or is done. He has a long history with the franchise and city and forcing your way out to coach another team is really underhanded. Doubt that is what this is about.

He's running away like a coward because he knows his team is not going to compete next year.   They are $74 million over the cap and have an aging defense.   They're going to be bottom feeders for a while.

True, but I don't think he is forcing his way out and onto another team. He just doesn't want to have 5 wins a year for the next 3 years and would rather have a break or retire now. Some team would have to compensate New Orleans for him and if there relationship is bad, they will hold him ransom. Who is going to give up multiple draft picks for a coach?

The thing about him is everyone is saying it was because of Frank Reich, and once he left Philly went to shit.

Yes, if he goes to another team they are going to have to give up some #1 picks.

The NY Daily News, which is one of the top papers in NY despite being garbage, says that Brian Daboll is the favorite to land the Dolphins job. Maybe the writer is connected and knows that Daboll wants Miami over the Giants or maybe this is Daboll leaking to them to get the Giants to increase his contract/power. Who knows?

Either way, if it is Daboll, I guess we could've done worse. Not doing the worst thing is a victory for this franchise so we'll see what happens.

My choices I found acceptable were Harbaugh>Mike McDaniel>Daboll.  Not my first or second choice but I wouldn't be upset with Daboll.

Safe assumption I'd say.

I don't think Harbaugh is coming back to the NFL this year. If he is, he would've told us first based off of the Michigan connection and if he is and we balked, then we are assholes.

I still think Harbaugh is using the NFL to get a better contract with Michigan after his salary was cut in half last year.  Plus they probably had their best season yet under him, so he may have a good roster at Michigan; and the games they won this year will help with recruiting.

The Jags have hired Doug Pederson.

It's increasingly looking like we're going to wind up with first time HC again. So much for Ross wanting someone with experience... ::)

And it won't be Mike McDaniel either.   I saw a couple tweets that McDaniel will only coach for teams who are located in states that have legalized marijuana.   Florida doesn't meet that criteria.

Florida's weed is legal enough for anyone to get pot

Delta 8 is close enough to pot and fully legal in FL. For now, haha

"If hired, McDaniel, who is biracial — his father is Black — would be the first minority coach hired in this year’s coaching cycle. Five of the nine vacancies have been filled by white coaches."

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article258047178.html#storylink=cpy
Maybe you guys knew this but I just learned it today as I don't know much, if anything, about the guy.  I never quite understand the whole biracial thing as always being black but I guess that helps the NFL if we do hire him.

Dolphins meeting again with McDaniel today and Kellen Moore tomorrow. Why hasn't McDaniel been pursued by other teams? Only Miami has done any interviews with him. That a red flag or he only wants Miami or to stay in San Fran?

I don't understand how Jacksonville, the worst team in the NFL landed Pederson and Miami didn't even seem to consider him. Hell, I didn't know he was even being pursued by anyone. Besides fans on the internet, I haven't really heard his name thrown around too much. We've cleaned house on players and coaching staff so many times, but yet the owner, GM, and other assorted clowns are still here. I'm getting to the point where I won't care anymore.

Niners hired Anthony Lynn to probably be the new OC. Seems like someone told the Niners that McDaniel was leaving.

Huge odds he is announced as HC tomorrow because they wouldn't do it Sunday.

These two questions are largely on my mind as well. It definitely looks like they ar looking for someone weak who won't argue with Chris Grier instead of who is most qualified to lead this team. Not looking good IMO.

I don’t think the Flores lawsuit is helping in recruiting talent.  Even if you don’t believe all the allegations. Dolphins just fired a coach with consecutive winning seasons.  And the work environment  is toxic.  You pretty much know going in you are a placeholder.  Anyone competent is gonna wait for a better opportunity.   

We showed no improvement.
He didn't develop our quarterback -- it seems like he undermined him, in fact.
He wasn't able to create a staff.

People who are critical of firing Flores don't understand our team.  We weren't going anywhere with him.  I was just looking back a few weeks ago at all the talking heads, saying that he was the most desirable pickup of the NFL, but I don't think anyone believed any of that.  The guy isn't a good on-the-field, gameday coach.

Was Flores the one who undermined Tua or Ross?

I am not claiming Flores is the next Belichick or Shula.  But the way things went down I am not sure I want Ross as my boss.

Well it’s officially McDaniel according to NFL.com

I mean...who knows?  But if the rumors are true that Flores wanted Watson and that was a thing, plus all the bullshit about putting Fitzpatrick in all the time -- plus wildcat crap on many situations.  It was an odd relationship.

Also, Ross probably sucks.  Me thinking Flores sucks doesn't let Ross off the hook.

Hell, the OC situation in the past 3 years and offense in general. Flores isn't what people are making him out to be. He may have won the last half of the season, but that doesn't erase losing the whole first half of the season.

If the allegations are true. Let's not jump the gun.

Actually got worse in our 3rd year despite a draft where we nailed our Top 3 picks. Honestly, what coach survives a 1-7 start in his 3rd year? It was a crime he wasn't fired midseason and probably would've prevented this lawsuit.

Well the one person who selected Mike McDaniel is probably pretty happy. Who was it ... Sunstroke?

Why does everyone ignore the fact that during these losses Tua was out injured?  If this were any other team the people on here would be making excuses that the only reason that Miami beat said team was because they were without their QB.  And how about the $10 Million WR signing that the guy only played ONE GAME?  How about all the games that Parker was out injured at the same time as these other two?  How about the fact that Miami traded away all of their RB talent over the past few years and wasn't able to re-stock that position?  And you really can't count his first year because all the talented players were traded away, it was a miracle they won as many as they did.  Yet Flores takes all the blame.

IMO Flores' only failure was not putting together a cohesive offensive coaching unit; the OC's and line coaches all failed.

just noticed in the poll above, I was the only person to vote for mike mcdaniel .. someone even voted for vance joseph .. what a bum

FWIW McDaniel was a close second after Harbaugh for me.  I've been very impressed with him.

... and just like that, in his very first season this basket case of a franchise has made the playoffs - and with a bit of momentum going in too. Well done Jags.

I'm still relatively happy with McDaniel. The Jags weren't the talentless team they seemed to be under Urban Meyer, he just was perhaps the worst HC in NFL history.