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22 years.  7 rings, should be a lot more.

His last game was the epitome of a team trying their best to give him a victory.

I don't know if we will ever see a player get as many breaks from his teammates and his opponents as Brady did during his career.

Who edited the title?  I don’t think Brady is the goat

Maybe in the near future we can enjoy you turning conversations to something other than him.

Tom Brady is everything that is wrong with America,  a cheating MAGA jerk off. I hope he loses all his money in a Ponzi scheme and that’s the next and last time we hear about him. What an awful cheater who ruined football.

Some of his regular season records may fall with an 18 game season.  His post season records can safely be chiseled in stone.

The records past 2010 are basically all meaningless anyway since the NFL made it so you couldn't hit the QB or touch the receivers anymore. Marino's single season passing yards record stood from 1984 until 2011 when it was broken twice. Now, he is 11th all time. Jameis Winston broke it. JAMEIS WINSTON!!!

The postseason records are awesome though and I don't see how they can be broken, even based off of longevity. Who else starts as a rookie until 44 years old and makes the playoffs almost every year? Just not happening again.

Stories are out that the retirement isn't official. Sure seems to be leaning that way though.

By that standard any record after 1960 is meaningless, when the NFL increased the season from 12 to 14 games or Brady’s post-season records are super vulnerable because 14 teams rather than 12 now make the playoffs.

I think the NFL more so than any sport has different eras where every 20 years the game is completely different. We have been in the passing era for over a decade now and the league loves it. You don't need an asterisk but it's important to show the difference. Jameis Winston breaking Marino's record is all you need to say.

Who changed the title?     

Stories are out that Brady has not made his decision and is pissed off that some news outlets are leaking this.  

Edited to add:  I think he's biding his time and seeing what the Bucs will do with their free agency moves before making a decision.   I also think that as Brady goes, Gronk goes as well.

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First off .. I think Brady doesn't want to change teams and Tampa will struggle this year as they will lose a lot of free agents. With that said I find the rumor that he set this leak up as a way to emabarrass ESPN and such for the negative inflategate press he recieved. If he ends up playing it would actually be kind of funny.  

I think he's wanting to wait until mid February because he's due a roster bonus.   Then, depending on what Tampa does with their free agents, he will make his decision.  Tampa is cap strapped and has over 20 key guys hitting free agency

I give credit when it's due. Brady is the greatest of the modern era. Full stop. Better than the Mannings. Better than Brees. A lot better than Roethlisberger. Flacco and Foles had their brief moments of glory (and good for them). The rest are foot notes in that period of history post 2000.

I had lost a lot of respect for him in deflate gate (but he has made it up). Plus severing the umbilical cord from BB has added even more cred.

I think it's impossible to compare him to Montana, Unitas and Otto Graham because they were completely different eras and rules. The only one of those I saw playing since I've been alive was Montana, and of the two, I would pick Montana as the GOAT. 4-0 in Superbowls, the rest of his runs stopped by the regular maulings by Lawrence Taylor, Dexter Manley, a seriously good Rams and Saints defence twice a year, and the '85 Bears, which paints a lot of context of the brutality of that era. Brady would have never survived that punishment... Young didn't. Kelly didn't. Aikman didn't either. None of them did until the rules changed. Brady cashed in on that.

I don't agree with you. 

Brady is a great quarterback and a great person.

I don't think he was better than Manning.

Unless, quarterbacks can somehow elevate the play of their defenses it's not a fair comparison.

Both Brady and Montana show that football is a team game

Brady was 10-6 in playoff games with a rating of below 78

Montana was 4-1 in multi-interception playoff games.

Marino was 1-9 or 1-8.   

I think that Brady is the greatest of all-time.  He wasn't the greatest pure passer, but he was able to use his skillset, including his ability to make quick decisions, to make the best of it.

I was on the "system QB train" at the start of his career, but he's done it for so long -- then with another team.  He's still got it and playing at a super high level, even into retirement.

The only argument against calling him the GOAT, IMO, is that the eras are different.  We don't know what Marino would look like in today's NFL, and how the offenses and rules have changed.  It's hard to compare.  Marino was the best guy at throwing the ball that I've ever seen.  But the NFL is a lot more than that, the game is more complex, the positions have changed.  It's a different game.

More power to Brady -- he did it all with the tools he had, he was a good teammate -- he seemed to instill confidence into the players around him, he never lost his confidence -- his teammates responded to that.

You get lucky in a game....maybe a season.  You don't get lucky over a career.

I've come to accept the GOAT moniker in the fact he has won more Super Bowls than anyone and more than most teams. If all things could be equal I don't see him being the first QB selected to play.

Actually all teams.  The Steelers and Patriots are tied at 6.  Brady has 7.  Only person with more superbowl rings than Brady has 8 winning 2 as the DC of the Giants and 6 more with NE.

Sure you do.

If what you are saying is true, do you rank Eli ahead of Marino?

He has more SB wins than literally every team: PIT and NE have 6, Brady has 7.

There's a strong argument to be made that Brady is the best of all time in any major pro sport, period.
Here are his ranks when he retired:

Career
1st in passing yards, completions, touchdowns
(among non-active players*) 2nd in passer rating, ANY/A, INT%
1st in wins, playoff wins, conference championships, league championships/Super Bowls
3rd in win %

Season
1st in passing completions
2nd in passing TDs
3rd in passing yards

It's basically like combining Bill Russell's titles with Wilt & Kareem's stats.

*I used non-active players because these are efficiency metrics that typically decline at the end of a player's career.

It isn’t luck or greatness. Brady and the Patriots dynasty is outright fraud. Always has been and always will be. I’m beginning to suspect the NFL is a real as WWE. It’s entertainment disguised as sport.

While I disagree with you, I'll play devil's advocate on your side for this one.  It was pretty amazing that every single game from the Divisional Round and Championship Round came down to either a last second score or won in OT...almost like it was scripted that way.

Yeah it’s hard to believe you get that many breaks that many times no matter how good you are.  The whole thing has always been fishy to me and you combine that with all the cheating scandals and well there’s reason for suspicion. I’m not saying 100 it’s the case but I don’t think it’s that far out there either.

With so much league money being shared between owners, why should they care?

Small sample size.  And in general you should expect closer games in the post-season than in the regular season.  If the best team in the AFC plays the second best team in the AFC the score should be close.  If the best team in the AFC plays the worst team the the AFC on average the game should be over in the 3rd quarter. 

Granted any give Sunday.  And the worst team can beat the best team in a blow out.  But on average equally matched teams should result in closer games than mismatched teams. 

I don't.  But I don't think Eli has had a good a career as Marino, either.  He won some Super Bowls, which is a team accomplishment, but it's not like Eli lit up the league during his time in it.  He was a good, sometimes very good QB.  But he wasn't even the best when he was playing.  Super Bowls matter, but they aren't the only thing.

Brady did it all.  He had numbers, longevity, greatness in the regular season, greatness in the playoffs, comebacks, different teams, different core teammates ....everything.

Brady just pulled a Brett Favre stunt and un-retired today.   The Bucs chances of winning the Super Bowl went from slim to highly likely.

Gas prices went so high even he had to get back to work.

He spent two months at home with his family and said, "Put me back in, coach."

I still cringe when I think of last year’s playoffs.  To think, we were one amazing play by Matthew stafford and cooper Kupp away from his eighth nauseating Super Bowl victory. 

I guess he's not the LOAT after all.  ::)

How you make that connection is beyond me.

Did you not watch the Rams literally to try to hand that game to the Buccaneers, like so many of Brady's opponents?

FOUR FUMBLES and one missed field goal in 32 minutes?

If he was the LOAT, then the Bucs would have won the Super Bowl.

Topic drift alert.

I think Eli was a lot better than some people give him credit for. Two time Superbowl MVP is nothing to be sneezed at - only four other players have done this or better, and all are either in the HOF or is a guaranteed first year inductee (Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Brady).

Throw in the Water Payton NFL man of the year award. Overall I would say he would measure up pretty comfortable to Kurt Warner - who was also a first year HOF inductee.

More like he'd rather be hit by 300 lb D-Linemen than deal with his kids at home.  I'll bet he was bitching about retirement so much that Giselle just said, "You know what, go play"

Didn't like the idea of working from home I guess. I hope he's not doing what so many have done before him, and desperately hang on, well past his time has ended, just to look like a dotting old geezer that doesn't know that his time has come. 

Eventually Father Time will catch up with him.  But every year all of us expect it to happen and it doesn't.  He put up MVP numbers at the age of 44.  Holy shit!  You never see ANYONE doing that!

He's trying to take away George Blanda's record of playing until he was 48.  This makes me hate Brady even more.