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Title: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 23, 2022, 12:48:58 pm Chiefs are trading six-time Pro-Bowl WR Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks: a 2022 1st-round pick (No. 29), a 2nd-round pick (No. 50) and a 4th-round pick, as well as 4th- and 6th-round picks in the 2023 draft, sources tell ESPN.
Big price to pay but understandable. The real "blow" to us is losing our first 2 picks of this draft plus the 4th rounder, but we made our upgrades elsewhere so we can absorb the hit. Losing a 4th and a 6th next year is nothing alarming at all. It's all on Tua now. No more excuses. Might have the best receving corps in the whole league. If he doesn't have a great year now, he's done. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: ArtieChokePhin on March 23, 2022, 12:51:53 pm Huge huge deal here. No one will be able to cover Hill and Waddle at the same time. Find a big guy who can grab jump balls and this receiving corps will be unstoppable.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 23, 2022, 12:52:02 pm (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOjFLBqWQAA4fgW?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 23, 2022, 12:54:25 pm Huge huge deal here. No one will be able to cover Hill and Waddle at the same time. Find a big guy who can grab jump balls and this receiving corps will be unstoppable. Cedrick Wilson Jr. is no slouch either. Gesicki is our 4th option. I guess this means Parker is on the trading block(preferred) or he is depth. Very happy the team realzied he couldn't be counted on for anything. Gives me lots of hope that the new regime understands. Not to be too much of a homer, but don't we now have the best receiving corps in the league? Who is better than this? Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: dolphins4life on March 23, 2022, 01:02:38 pm Unloading talent for draft picks did not work
I guess now they are trying the opposite route. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 23, 2022, 01:06:01 pm Hill signed a 4 year/$120 Million extension with $72 Million guaranteed. The AAV was expcted.
We are in win now mode and still have two 1st rounders next year. I like having draft picks but there comes a time where you have to cash them in for established talent. I'm sure Buffalo doesn't regret trading a 1st rounder for Diggs. Lots of cuts coming now. We very likely shouldn't have an issue cutting and restructuring people to make the math work but we are very likely done shopping now. I wanted Tretter but this is more than a consolation prize. Parker is 99% gone now. Might not even get a 6th for him but the prick can play well when motivated so I would prefer not to trade him within the AFC. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Spider-Dan on March 23, 2022, 01:32:07 pm This should be the expected reaction to the Rams' Super Bowl win. Teams are seeing that trading high-value picks for established talent can pay off right now, with a greater return than burning pick after pick in the draft.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: stinkfish on March 23, 2022, 01:32:33 pm That's great and all, but Tua will need the time to be able to get the ball to Hill, Waddle etc... can't make big throws from being flat on his back.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 23, 2022, 01:51:17 pm That's great and all, but Tua will need the time to be able to get the ball to Hill, Waddle etc... can't make big throws from being flat on his back. Agreed, but we got Armstead and Collins, both great guys at their positions. It greatly improves the line. We could've went more but we got Hill instead and I can't blame them for that. Combine that with better coaching and I think we will be alright in that regard. Maybe not a Top 10 unit but even becoming the 17th best unit is a massive upgrade and opens up the run game. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dolfanalyst on March 23, 2022, 03:02:27 pm This is the value of having a QB on a rookie contract. You can go out and trade for and sign the Tyreek Hills of the world, while his former team can't afford to pay him and its QB. Same thing went on in Green Bay with Rodgers and Adams.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dave Gray on March 23, 2022, 03:15:14 pm I'm getting my ticket for the hype train.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: dolphins4life on March 23, 2022, 03:17:49 pm I'm getting my ticket for the hype train. I'm not If and when they clinch a playoff spot next year, I'll celebrate like a fool Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 23, 2022, 03:25:39 pm This is the value of having a QB on a rookie contract. You can go out and trade for and sign the Tyreek Hills of the world, while his former team can't afford to pay him and its QB. Same thing went on in Green Bay with Rodgers and Adams. And your top offensive player in Waddle on a rookie deal as well. Unless something catastrophic happens, we got Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle for the next 4 years. That's a hell of a 1-2 punch. We are built to win within the next 1-3 years. After that, tough decisions will have to be mad ebut that's the entire NFL. No one is setup for 8years of success. It's very hard to maintain it due to the salary cap and injuries, which is why the Patriots were such an anomaly. Go for it now, there is no tomorrow. I've had enough of mediocrity and not winning a playoff game in 2 decades. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: masterfins on March 23, 2022, 04:48:32 pm I'm getting my ticket for the hype train. +1 I've been fooled by hype before, but this seems like Miami is really going to make a jump forward after two consecutive winning seasons. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: CF DolFan on March 23, 2022, 05:56:24 pm +1 Been around a long time and I can't really remember having a team this talented since the Wanny years and I'm much higher on Tua than Feidler. For that matter I think Teddy is a much better option than Fiedler was so even if Tua gets hurt we are in pretty decent shape. Obviously anything can happen but I'd be really surprised of we didn't progress a step or two this year. I've been fooled by hype before, but this seems like Miami is really going to make a jump forward after two consecutive winning seasons. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: DenverFinFan on March 23, 2022, 06:44:32 pm Damn wasn’t expecting this. I have to say, we have more speed than rural Arizona. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Downunder Dolphan on March 23, 2022, 07:38:00 pm Wow, I'm surprised with this ballsy move! I think we all knew it was going to take something big to get a top WR - and we did it.
Now we get to really make those Hill vs Waddle comparisons.... every week. Oh, and the Bengals, the Bills, and the rest of the AFC West have mailed us gigantic thank you card. Mahomes struggles when Hill is taken out of the game, and we've done it permanently. I can't exactly see him being thrilled at Tyreek being replaced by Juju to throw to. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: ArtieChokePhin on March 23, 2022, 11:01:08 pm Hill was in the last year of his contract. He wanted a new deal and wasn't going to get it in KC. Not with that albatross of a monster contract they gave to Mahomes.
Now KC has the 29th and 30th picks. They can easily trade up to the middle of the first round and draft Hill's replacement and get him for much cheaper than Hill. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: fyo on March 24, 2022, 02:48:07 am Hill signed a 4 year/$120 Million extension with $72 Million guaranteed. The AAV was expcted. We are in win now mode and still have two 1st rounders next year. I like having draft picks but there comes a time where you have to cash them in for established talent. I'm sure Buffalo doesn't regret trading a 1st rounder for Diggs. Lots of cuts coming now. We very likely shouldn't have an issue cutting and restructuring people to make the math work but we are very likely done shopping now. I wanted Tretter but this is more than a consolation prize. Parker is 99% gone now. Might not even get a 6th for him but the prick can play well when motivated so I would prefer not to trade him within the AFC. It's really a 3-year, $75 million deal with a $44 million option for year 4. Nothing guaranteed in that final year. Still a big wad of cash. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 24, 2022, 06:55:36 am It's really a 3-year, $75 million deal with a $44 million option for year 4. Nothing guaranteed in that final year. Still a big wad of cash. Then that is an even more amazing contract for us. Have to give Grier or whoever is in charge of negotiations credit, the contracts for Hill and Armstead are very beneficial to the team. Shocked we got Armstead for that price. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dolfanalyst on March 24, 2022, 07:52:00 am This illustrates as well the transformation of the game from running back-oriented to wide receiver-oriented. No way you'd see a running back traded for that kind of bevy of draft picks and paid that much in today's game. The game has metamorphosed since "the Herschel Walker trade" for example. Nobody nowadays is targeting a Herschel Walker in trade for anywhere near that amount. Anybody who is touting the need for a running back to that degree in the present-day NFL is probably playing a great deal of fantasy football and not realizing that the scoring system in fantasy football doesn't translate to the importance of running backs in the NFL.
The college game is following suit, where we may never see a running back with the Heisman Trophy again. The year before last the winner was the first wide receiver in college history who didn't also contribute on special teams. Every other year in recent history a QB has won it. Today you win with an elite QB paired with an elite receiver. The Dolphins now have at least one of those. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 24, 2022, 06:56:40 pm Barry Jackson is giving some details on how the trade went down. Jets had the trade offer first but Miami swooped in quick with a good package and money for Hill. He says that a big selling point was the no income tax in Florida and his agent got some financial planners on the phone with Tyreek to break it down.
Truth is, Tyreek basically had a no trade clause by virtue of his current contract status, being a free agent in a year. No one gives up more than a late first for Tyreek without signing him to an extension and if he didn't want to sign it, then that's that. This deal happened because Tyreek wanted Miami and we flashed the cash. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: masterfins on March 25, 2022, 01:19:18 am Just to pile on the hype, Hill and Waddle can easily be better than the receiving duo of Duper and Clayton (If Tua can deliver the passes). Think about that for a while.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 25, 2022, 08:48:53 am Just to pile on the hype, Hill and Waddle can easily be better than the receiving duo of Duper and Clayton (If Tua can deliver the passes). Think about that for a while. I think they are 2 of the 3 fastest players or receivers in the league. Genuinely terrifying for opposing defenses and that's before we factor in Gesicki and Wilson Jr. All Tua really has to do is be accurate and not force things and he could put up Top 10 numbers if everything goes according to plan. If. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: CF DolFan on March 25, 2022, 08:52:55 am I think they are 2 of the 3 fastest players or receivers in the league. Genuinely terrifying for opposing defenses and that's before we factor in Gesicki and Wilson Jr. All Tua really has to do is be accurate and not force things and he could put up Top 10 numbers if everything goes according to plan. Before we even add in having upgraded our RBs this new recieving corp will make running the ball easier. Running the ball will make protecting Tua easier. It isn't really out of the question to see a major turn around on offense and in fact I fully expect it. All of that should help our defense to be even better as well. It's really hard not to get excited for this year. If. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Sunstroke on March 25, 2022, 03:51:00 pm As long as Tyreek Hill performs like the Tyreek Hill of the last 3-4 years, then I am OK with giving away this kind of draft pick bundle for him. That said, this is a phenomenal draft class for WRs, so I wonder if it wouldn't have been prudent to grab a couple of rookies instead. We'll see once the pads are on, I suppose... Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dolfanalyst on March 25, 2022, 04:22:58 pm As long as Tyreek Hill performs like the Tyreek Hill of the last 3-4 years, then I am OK with giving away this kind of draft pick bundle for him. That said, this is a phenomenal draft class for WRs, so I wonder if it wouldn't have been prudent to grab a couple of rookies instead. We'll see once the pads are on, I suppose... Not a chance. Tyreek Hill is easily on a Hall of Fame career trajectory as we speak. Three-time NFL all-pro. The fact that he came available is staggering. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 25, 2022, 04:27:43 pm Not a chance. Tyreek Hill is easily on a Hall of Fame career trajectory as we speak. Three-time NFL all-pro. The fact that he came available is staggering. Patrick Mahomes is also on a Hall of Fame career trajectory as we speak. We will find out this season if Hill is still on that trajectory when Tua is throwing the rock. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 25, 2022, 04:34:32 pm Patrick Mahomes is also on a Hall of Fame career trajectory as we speak. We will find out this season if Hill is still on that trajectory when Tua is throwing the rock. Same goes for Mahomes. Went from Tyreek to JuJu. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dolfanalyst on March 25, 2022, 04:42:09 pm PFF receiving corps grade is actually a stronger predictor of EPA per pass dropback than PFF QB grade. You get about a 0.60 standard deviation increase in EPA per pass dropback for every standard deviation increase in receiving corps grade, whereas that figure for QB grade is 0.43.
Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dolfanalyst on April 18, 2022, 08:37:32 am So this is where the league "officially" recognizes the value of wide receivers as essential counterparts to elite QBs in the formula for winning Super Bowls in the contemporary NFL, thus replacing the function and value of the running backs of previous eras:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33760144/deebo-samuel-aj-brown-terry-mclaurin-skip-field-work-offseason-programs-amid-push-new-contracts-sources-say Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 18, 2022, 08:55:21 am So this is where the league "officially" recognizes the value of wide receivers as essential counterparts to elite QBs in the formula for winning Super Bowls in the contemporary NFL, thus replacing the function and value of the running backs of previous eras: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33760144/deebo-samuel-aj-brown-terry-mclaurin-skip-field-work-offseason-programs-amid-push-new-contracts-sources-say IDid the Jags sign Christian Kirk to that absolutely ridiculous contract before all the other trades and signings were made? Because if so, I wonder how much that deal alone inflated the numbers for everyone else. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dolfanalyst on April 18, 2022, 12:04:41 pm IDid the Jags sign Christian Kirk to that absolutely ridiculous contract before all the other trades and signings were made? Because if so, I wonder how much that deal alone inflated the numbers for everyone else. If a team did that with a running back nobody would follow suit because the league knows full well running backs are a dime a dozen. They would just let that team go ahead and be stupid. Note for example that the average salary of the highest-paid running back in the league in 2022 (McCaffrey) is roughly 14 million dollars less than the average salary of the highest-paid wide receiver in the league (T. Hill). Moreover, that running back has a tremendous history of catching the ball and functioning more like a receiver than almost any other running back in the league, while that receiver has virtually no history of running the ball. Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Downunder Dolphan on April 19, 2022, 06:34:05 am If a team did that with a running back nobody would follow suit because the league knows full well running backs are a dime a dozen. They would just let that team go ahead and be stupid. Note for example that the average salary of the highest-paid running back in the league in 2022 (McCaffrey) is roughly 14 million dollars less than the average salary of the highest-paid wide receiver in the league (T. Hill). Moreover, that running back has a tremendous history of catching the ball and functioning more like a receiver than almost any other running back in the league, while that receiver has virtually no history of running the ball. It will be interesting to see where this goes in future, due to the influence of a guy who could well be that highest paid WR in the league very soon - Deebo Samuel. He is a high profile WR moved to the RB position while still playing snaps as a WR, and I think it could potentially shift the game in contrast to say when Green Bay did it with Ty Montgomery a few years back when it was seen as an abnormality. It certainly takes something to do this, something beyond the occasional reverse call... If a WR is big enough and strong enough to run inside, I can see some other teams trying to adopt this - and drafting for it too. That kid in the Gasparilla Bowl, Ryan O'Keefe, is what I'm talking about - another dynamic player who can make you forget about RB and just slot the guy in anywhere! If there are more guys out there in the Deebo Samuel territory in college, a big WR who can run between tackles - I reckon they will get a look at in the next couple of years. Would I be surprised if Hill or Waddle end up taking some snaps in the RB position next season - the answer would be no. I admit I wouldn't be particularly happy with the thought given our investment in these guys, but I wouldn't be surprised either - Hill has already said he wants to return more kicks next year! Title: Re: Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill for 5 Draft Picks Post by: Dolfanalyst on April 19, 2022, 07:58:45 am It will be interesting to see where this goes in future, due to the influence of a guy who could well be that highest paid WR in the league very soon - Deebo Samuel. He is a high profile WR moved to the RB position while still playing snaps as a WR, and I think it could potentially shift the game in contrast to say when Green Bay did it with Ty Montgomery a few years back when it was seen as an abnormality. It certainly takes something to do this, something beyond the occasional reverse call... If a WR is big enough and strong enough to run inside, I can see some other teams trying to adopt this - and drafting for it too. That kid in the Gasparilla Bowl, Ryan O'Keefe, is what I'm talking about - another dynamic player who can make you forget about RB and just slot the guy in anywhere! If there are more guys out there in the Deebo Samuel territory in college, a big WR who can run between tackles - I reckon they will get a look at in the next couple of years. Would I be surprised if Hill or Waddle end up taking some snaps in the RB position next season - the answer would be no. I admit I wouldn't be particularly happy with the thought given our investment in these guys, but I wouldn't be surprised either - Hill has already said he wants to return more kicks as part of the the Taxi Squad next year! That's the way the game is moving, and I don't think it even matters whether the receiver has the size and strength to run inside. The extra yard or so on average that's gained from having a receiver who can run inside pales in comparison to the effects elsewhere that can be obtained from putting a receiver in that position, most notably in the passing game. |