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Title: NFL Draft
Post by: CF DolFan on April 28, 2022, 10:25:12 am
Starts tonight. Unless we make some big trade back into the first round to draft a middle linebacker or something it will be slow for most Dolphin fans. Kind of crazy 4 picks in the top 10 are coming out of New York.

1) Jacksonville Jaguars
2) Detroit Lions
3) Houston Texans
4) New York Jets
5) New York Giants

6) Carolina Panthers
7) New York Giants (from Chicago Bears)
8) Atlanta Falcons
9) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver Broncos)
10) New York Jets (from Seattle Seahawks)


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Fau Teixeira on April 28, 2022, 11:48:07 am
and those new york teams will still suck


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 28, 2022, 12:14:47 pm
and those new york teams will still suck

Historically poor drafters. Filled with reaches and desperation picks. Thankfully for us, Jets have never had a Top pick when there was a good QB available for them to draft. They always had to take the Sam Darnolds and Zach Wilsons.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 28, 2022, 01:39:59 pm
Would have been a good year to hold the draft in Radio Music Hall. ;D


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on April 28, 2022, 04:17:58 pm
Historically poor drafters. Filled with reaches and desperation picks. Thankfully for us, Jets have never had a Top pick when there was a good QB available for them to draft. They always had to take the Sam Darnolds and Zach Wilsons.

They had an opportunity to have Dan Marino but instead they took Ken O'Brien who was nothing but average except when he played the Dolphins.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Dave Gray on April 28, 2022, 05:02:20 pm
Kind of a boring draft year for us.  I probably won't even watch any of it.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: stinkfish on April 28, 2022, 09:47:37 pm
They had an opportunity to have Dan Marino but instead they took Ken O'Brien who was nothing but average except when he played the Dolphins.
27 other teams could have drafted Marino but I think they all passed because he had a bad senior year at Pitt and was linked to some drug use? Dolphins historians on here can please  correct me if I’m wrong, or give more detail?


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on April 29, 2022, 12:03:36 am
With us being out of day one, I guess any interest would have stemmed from where we were prior to trades and who we could have possibly selected...

The massive slide of our pick from SF from them winning in playoffs took away most options. As widely predicted, all of the best talent at WR and OL went early. Linderbaum was snapped up before 29, so getting him to play C wasn't an option. By the time our pick was up (ironically now with New England), probably the best choice for us would have been LB Nakobe Dean, who as it turns out has somehow has slipped to day two.

Other points of interest were both the Bills and Jets going after corners in the first - I think that's the effect of us securing Tyreek Hill to go with Waddle, they both immediately thought they had to upgrade their secondary.

Then of course there's Philadelphia trading for A.J. Brown - like Miami trading for Hill, I think it was a smart move trading for an established product once the top WR options were gone, and like us they have the cap space to do it. On the flip side, I think it's disastrous for Tennessee - Tanny just lost his only deep threat, and can expect (along with Henry) to be absolutely smothered by defenses.

As widely predicted, the big runs today were on EDGE/defense line, WR, offensive line and secondary players. Only two tall, althetic (almost hybrid) players picked at LB, one QB, and for a draft supposedly deep at the TE position - none selected. As expected, no one at RB selected today.

Overall it's looking like the Dolphins made the right move trading out out of the first once our pick slid to 29. The talent we have got through trades and free agency look a far better option, and if we need to top up next year at least we have two firsts to do it.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 29, 2022, 04:18:20 am
New Englands pick in the draft was Strange. 


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on April 29, 2022, 05:18:47 am
Crazy first night.   The first five players picked were all defense.  The next seven were offense.  And you had SIX receivers taken in the first round, but only one QB.   


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 29, 2022, 09:48:29 am
Surprising that Malik Mallis was not drafted. Raw but lots of talent. I think he goes with the first pick of the 2nd round. No way the Lions or Panthers are just going to stand back and go with Goff and Darnold for the future.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on April 29, 2022, 10:14:21 am
Surprising that Malik Mallis was not drafted. Raw but lots of talent. I think he goes with the first pick of the 2nd round. No way the Lions or Panthers are just going to stand back and go with Goff and Darnold for the future.

Tampa now has the first pick of the second round as they traded back with Jacksonville.   I think they will trade back with one of those two teams as they won't be drafting a QB.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 29, 2022, 10:32:32 am
Tampa now has the first pick of the second round as they traded back with Jacksonville.   I think they will trade back with one of those two teams as they won't be drafting a QB.

Team has to think about the future unless they plan on blowing it up if Brady retires again after the season. Having a redshirt season under Tom Brady is very valuable, especially if he knows you aren't a threat.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on April 29, 2022, 10:42:42 am
Team has to think about the future unless they plan on blowing it up if Brady retires again after the season. Having a redshirt season under Tom Brady is very valuable, especially if he knows you aren't a threat.
They already have that with Kyle Trask.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Sunstroke on April 29, 2022, 12:02:36 pm

The Jets and Ravens, imo, owned the first round. The Jets got 3 impressive players, and the Ravens got two of my favorites in Kyyle Hamilton and Tyler Linderbaum. I expect both to be pro bowlers in just a few seasons.

...and the 49ers still have Deebo, despite all the trade rumors last night...

Both the 'Phins and Niners get to join the draft party tonight...should be interesting.




Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on April 29, 2022, 12:26:57 pm
Team has to think about the future unless they plan on blowing it up if Brady retires again after the season. Having a redshirt season under Tom Brady is very valuable, especially if he knows you aren't a threat.

If they draft Willis or Corral, they would be throwing away last year's second round pick.  Not something a good GM does.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: CF DolFan on April 29, 2022, 01:37:36 pm
Interesting note ... about 25% of the teams did not pick in the first round this year. I'm not sure but it has to be close to a record if not a ecord in and of itself. This means roughly 25% of the audience didn't pay much attention and ratings will be down. 


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 29, 2022, 01:38:12 pm
The "Fuck them picks" era is in full effect.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on April 29, 2022, 01:52:46 pm
Interesting note ... about 25% of the teams did not pick in the first round this year. I'm not sure but it has to be close to a record if not a ecord in and of itself. This means roughly 25% of the audience didn't pay much attention and ratings will be down. 

And that means 25% of the teams had more than one pick.   I remember them pointing that out last night.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: dolphins4life on April 29, 2022, 02:45:38 pm
Team has to think about the future unless they plan on blowing it up if Brady retires again after the season. Having a redshirt season under Tom Brady is very valuable, especially if he knows you aren't a threat.

Why do you think he will retire after this season?  He still plays very well and still has his unequalled talent for making his opponents turn the ball over.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: CF DolFan on April 29, 2022, 03:36:00 pm
The "Fuck them picks" era is in full effect.
Seemingly so. Did the Rams actually plan to get rid of the draft and trade/sign etablished players or did it just work out? Either way there is no doubt some teams have taken notice of their success.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 29, 2022, 04:32:39 pm
The "Fuck them picks" era is in full effect.

I started to notice how valuable they can be in trade chips when the Bills got Stefon Diggs. Other GMs are following suit, especially after the Rams just won the Superbowl. Picks are needed for cost control but sometimes you have to cash them in for established talent like we just did.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: dolphins4life on April 29, 2022, 06:08:04 pm
The "Fuck them picks" era is in full effect.

You think the other gms didn't notice Miami's great "Dump the talent, load up on the picks" experiment?  ::)



Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on April 29, 2022, 09:33:08 pm
End of round two, and I can't believe Nakobe Dean is still on the board! What's the red flag on this kid?

First TE picked up at 55. A couple of RB, but generally it's looking like the NFL scouts couldn't have really rated these positions highly. No QB taken round two either.

Less than 40 picks to go before we need to break ourselves away from those Tyreek Hill highlight packages...


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 30, 2022, 11:07:21 am
Malik Willis goes to the Titans in the 3rd round. Incredible slide, it was projected that he was a possible Top 5 pick, guess the teams thought differently.

I think he is very talented, has a great arm and even better attitude. He should have a total redshirt season in Tennessee and then who knows? Kid seems easy to root for.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: CF DolFan on April 30, 2022, 04:49:52 pm
Crazy how far he fell. Wonder if something came out we aren’t aware of.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 30, 2022, 04:54:19 pm
Crazy how far he fell. Wonder if something came out we aren’t aware of.

I was thinking that too but usually these things are known right away. When Tunsil fell to us from around 5 to 13, it was a big story. Falling from Top 5 to 3rd round? That's crazy.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on April 30, 2022, 08:34:53 pm
Malik Willis goes to the Titans in the 3rd round. Incredible slide, it was projected that he was a possible Top 5 pick, guess the teams thought differently.

I think he is very talented, has a great arm and even better attitude. He should have a total redshirt season in Tennessee and then who knows? Kid seems easy to root for.

Crazy how far he fell. Wonder if something came out we aren’t aware of.

I was thinking that too but usually these things are known right away. When Tunsil fell to us from around 5 to 13, it was a big story. Falling from Top 5 to 3rd round? That's crazy.

I think it was just as case of the few teams in the market for an immediate starting QB woke up that no one else was really a threat, and waited out their time and addressed more high demand positions before getting around to it. Every year the NFL media hype up a bunch of QBs as first round picks - this is the first time for a while that the teams did not seem to buy into it.

To me the Nakobe Dean slide to 83 was far more surprising! Before the draft there were some murmers about his size, and afterwards about a pec injury that may or may not need surgery. It wasn't a major surprise that Quay Walker and Devin Lloyd were picked ahead of him, but a whole stack of other guys at the position? He's got to feel really dissed and pissed that four of his defensive teammates were picked in the first round while he was left to hang... this is going to be one super motivated and talented rookie!


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on May 01, 2022, 09:32:46 am
The Jets definitely won the draft.  They got the best CB, WR and RB, plus a good edge player.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on May 01, 2022, 01:57:03 pm
The Jets definitely won the draft.  They got the best CB, WR and RB, plus a good edge player.

Way too early to tell. All of them could be busts that end their careers with a combined 7 starts while another team drafted 2 HOFs in the 5th round.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on May 01, 2022, 03:07:42 pm
Way too early to tell. All of them could be busts that end their careers with a combined 7 starts while another team drafted 2 HOFs in the 5th round.
No shit captain obvious.  People are still going to put early grades on drafts, and mine is the Jets won.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on May 02, 2022, 09:55:15 am
This is a really hard draft to grade right now... because so many teams (like us) basically elected to trade picks for players and stay out of it. There are a lot of A and B grades being thrown around out there regardless of which side of the fence they took. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in future, because there are going to be a bunch teams who will could like Kings or fools in a few years.

On the surface, of the teams who were really active, I'd lean towards the Ravens and then Jets purely on picks, but the Eagles are the wildcard with that draft day swoop on A.J. Brown as well as picking up two of the top defensive talents from that Georgia NCAA Championship defense.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on May 02, 2022, 09:58:05 am
This is a really hard draft to grade right now... because so many teams (like us) basically elected to trade picks for players and stay out of it. There are a lot of A and B grades being thrown around out there regardless of which side of the fence they took. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in future, because there are going to be a bunch teams who will could like Kings or fools in a few years.

On the surface, of the teams who were really active, I'd lean towards the Ravens and then Jets purely on picks, but the Eagles are the wildcard with that draft day swoop on A.J. Brown as well as picking up two of the top defensive talents from that Georgia NCAA Championship defense.

If you grade a teamn's draft by who they traded draft picks for, tghen we got an A. If you don't.....D? I dunno, we didn't really have picks.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on May 02, 2022, 10:22:45 am
If you grade a teamn's draft by who they traded draft picks for, tghen we got an A. If you don't.....D? I dunno, we didn't really have picks.

We were never going to get one of the top receivers with pick 29. So the question will always be Tyreek Hill vs who we could have got at picks 29 and 50 and 121.

If Tyreek is the superstar that what he was with KC, it's an A+, regardless of the rest.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on May 02, 2022, 11:51:56 am
We were never going to get one of the top receivers with pick 29. So the question will always be Tyreek Hill vs who we could have got at picks 29 and 50 and 121.

If Tyreek is the superstar that what he was with KC, it's an A+, regardless of the rest.

Well, this should be easy to compare since the Chiefs traded all of our picks to the Patriots, so we will see those guys for years to come.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: masterfins on May 05, 2022, 02:13:53 pm
Well, this should be easy to compare since the Chiefs traded all of our picks to the Patriots, so we will see those guys for years to come.

I haven't really heard any commentary on whether this was a good/dumb move for the Chiefs.  Seems like the Chiefs gave up too much just to move up 8 spots, then they draft a CB.  The Chiefs waited until their 3rd pick to even draft a replacement WR for Hill.


Title: Re: NFL Draft
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on May 05, 2022, 03:41:46 pm
I haven't really heard any commentary on whether this was a good/dumb move for the Chiefs.  Seems like the Chiefs gave up too much just to move up 8 spots, then they draft a CB.  The Chiefs waited until their 3rd pick to even draft a replacement WR for Hill.

One of my employees is a big Chiefs fan.   He says they attempted to move up in the draft but were rebuffed, and then came that run on WRs.