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Getting the first two shots was one of the hardest choices I have ever made.

Getting the booster was even harder.  

These pale in comparison to the decision for the fourth booster.

I know the statistics about unvaccinated people dying of Covid-19. They wind up in the hospital. It is easy to keep track of them.  

However, it is much harder to keep track of those who dropped dead after taking the vaccine.  Social media is full of people telling such stories.  There is no way to monitor those people

Do any of you know people who were unvaccinated and died of Covid-19?

Do any of you know people who dropped dead after getting the vaccine?  If so, after which dose?

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/covid-19-vaccine-related-fatalities-updated

Check out this link

12,000 reported deaths from the vaccine.  That is just what was reported.  There could be thousands, if not tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more.

Note:  if somebody is perfectly healthy, gets the vaccine and drops dead, it was most likely from the vaccine

The following is as true today as it was the first time it was mentioned back in December of 2020:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQyLseXcAEcExc?format=png&name=small)

At this point people should just get the shot or not and move on. If you survived all of the original vaccine and boosters another one probably won’t kill anybody or turn anyone into a werewolf.

Yeah, of all the people I know who had bad effects or died from the vaccine, none of them were from the boosters. If you survive the first 2, you're probably good to go.

I think the proven vaccine deaths are in...like...single digits, right?  Blood clots in a small subset of people.  I'm sure there were more allergic reactions, but it's essentially a rounding error.

It's safe, barring anything happening to us later in life, of which there is no evidence.

People will die from random things that would have died anyway.  We gave out over 12 BILLION shots.  There is no increase in death that we're seeing, so it's safe.  The risk of COVID deaths is many, many, many, many orders of magnitude higher -- not to mention people who live from COVID but have lower quality of life.

Also, you don't "hate to do this".  You love to do this.  You're lying to us and to yourself.

Stop being a moron.  Get vaccines as per your doctor's suggested schedule, rather than asking a bunch of idiots on a fucking football message board.

Or don't.  But you know all you need to know at this point.

It's not single digits. I know of at least 6 people who are believed to have died from the shot (or that all mysterious heart virus) and another six who had strokes, blood clots, or some sort of paralysis within a week or two of taking the shot. 

2017 deaths - 2,813,503
2018 deaths - 2,839,205
2019 deaths - 2,854,838
2020 deaths - 3,358,814
2021 deaths - 3,458,697

That's a pretty big jump once Covid hit at the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020. How are you so certain 14,000 people didn't die from the shot because 1 million more died after we had the vaccine than before it. 

Vaccines became available in the last 2-3 weeks of 2020.  It is the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers who need to explain why we went from 2.85M deaths in 2019 to 3.35M deaths in 2020, even though COVID is supposedly just the flu.

And the 2021 deaths don't help your case, as COVID hit the US shores in March of 2020; combine a few extra months of COVID spread along with significantly reduced lockdowns in 2021 vs. 2020, and the end result is an extra 100k deaths in 2021.

Anti vaxxers are to blame huh ... LOL.  Aren't all of us anti-vaxxers dead yet? Seems like you guys would be rid of all of us by now with the things you claim.

You love to take something and turn it into something it's not and pretend you have a point. Let's take the flu comment. So someone says covid is like the flu. Does that mean it won't add to the flus numbers? Does it mean it is exactly like the flu and will respond to the flu vaccine?  Does that mean if I had the flu this year I likely won't get Covid? No, it means that there is something in common with the flu. It's kind of like someone saying Tua reminds them of Steve Young. It certainly doesn't mean Tua is white so does it mean he is going to be traded to the 49ers? Hard to believe he will be Montana's backup. Does that mean he's  going to break the record for most rushing yards by a QB in his postseason career? I'm guessing not and I'm pretty certain you don't either.

If this happened, it's coincidence.  But also "believed to have died from the shot"....what is that?  I mean, there are massive controlled tests looking at these numbers and these things aren't happened.  So, you just got some unlucky friends and they didn't die from the shot.  Or they were dying anyway from something else.  Or you got lied to.

Would you mind providing any of the names so I could look up their obituaries or newspaper articles about them?  I'm sure these would make the local news.  Death from the COVID shot is a huge deal, so if there are six people in your area, it's worth looking into.

Here's a link from the cdc

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html)

However, this is misleading because they can only rule on adverse affects THAT WERE REPORTED.

This means that if somebody got the vaccine and died from it, the cdc would not know about unless it was reported.  This means that the count could be much higher.

This is what makes it hard for me to make a decision.  The anecdotal evidence is overwhelming.  If you go to any video on this, all the comments are filled with stories of people who dropped dead after getting the shot.

Here is an example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijQ-6jhVuc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijQ-6jhVuc)

Just read the comments

Here's another study

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/study-ties-covid-booster-to-startling-spike-in-excess-deaths/ (https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/study-ties-covid-booster-to-startling-spike-in-excess-deaths/)

This gives evidence that the risks could outweigh the benefits.

If somebody has health risks, gets the shot and dies, it is likely that the shot caused their death.

Here is the CDC's latest data.  However, my main concern like, I stated earlier, but will boldface it to emphasize Since the cdc cannot know how many people have died from the shots, they could be making their recommendations on false data

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/booster-shot.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/booster-shot.html)

Here's a video explaining how the vaccines and the virus became partisan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0dQfRRrEQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0dQfRRrEQ)

None of you have gotten the second booster yet, right?

 

You keep asking the same question, but you re-word it with more bullshit.  You're making false claims, you're corrected, and then you just say "but..." and they you make the same false claim again.

Get the shot.  /thread

D4L ... I'm one of the biggest aginst the vaccine but if I had gotten the first shots and were fine I'd think it's pretty safe for me to take it again.  My problem lies in the fact you just have no idea until you do it the first time. It's just like getting Covid in that respect. Many of our bodies handle it much differently.

^ The person who wrote that isn't a serious person.  She is a provocative radio host for a shock-radio station, tea-party weirdo, and conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones.  You shouldn't look to people like that for medical guidance.  She is spouting lies because she is either a true-believer who is spreading false information that she believes to be correct that adheres to her already skewed beliefs or she is an opportunist that knows she's propagating bullshit, but it keeps her in the news and on the air.


You're looking at one crazy radio host citing a self-diagnosed death in the family.
I'm trusting the overall medical community of the entire world + mortality averages across well over 12 billion shots administered worldwide.

Y'all were not saying it is "like" the flu.  You were saying that it is "just the flu" and is being "wildly exaggerated" as some sort of anti-Trump vendetta or something.

Lots of ailments have "something in common with the flu." Cancer and allergies both have "something in common with the flu."  That obviously was not the point of the "just the flu" crowd.

Y'all were calling COVID "just the flu" in an effort to minimize its significance, because you opposed lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccination requirements... which itself was because your glorious orange emperor told you they were unnecessary.  It's the same reason you're trying to hype the so-called "danger" from vaccines right now, while offering no explanation whatsoever for the extra 500k deaths in 2020.

Because if 500k Americans were really killed by COVID in 2020, all of the liberal "hysteria" over COVID was valid and completely justified, and all of the conservative downplaying of COVID was irresponsible and dangerous.

Spider,

Do you have an explanation for the thousands of deaths from the covid vaccines?

Do you think the people on the youtube comments are making those stories up?


What false claims?

That the vaccines are not safe.  The evidence shows they are not safe

Logic of some on this thread....


I know of a dozen people who were in a fatal car crash within a week after watching the movie "Who framed Roger Rabbit" therefore the movie caused the fetal car crash.  (All while completely ignoring the millions of people watched the movie without incident and the millions of people who died in auto accident without seeing the movie)

That is not the logic of people on this thread and you know it.

It is more accurate to say, I know some people who texted and drove and got into accidents, so I won't text and drive, even though millions of people text and drive and do not get into accidents. 

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/michael-granata-obituary?pid=200579350 (https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/michael-granata-obituary?pid=200579350)

This is CLEARLY a result of somebody who died as the result of getting the vaccine.

There are THOUSANDS of other people just like him.

On the other hand, there is no proof that all the unvaccinated people that died would have lived if they had been vaccinated.

In fact, as more evidence was gathered, it proved that it was not a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

I was lucky, I survived my vaccine and booster.

I have yet to see any evaluation from a licensed medical professional attributing a death to a COVID vaccine.  All I see is a bunch of people offering an opinion that they are not medically qualified to give about the cause of someone's death.

But even if the vaccines did cause every single one of the 12,000 deaths you claimed - and they didn't - the vaccines are still FAR less dangerous than catching COVID while unvaccinated.  Consider that there are a LOT more Americans who have been vaccinated than there are Americans who have caught COVID (over TWICE as many), and yet the best specific number you can give for vaccine deaths is, what, 15,000?  20,000?  You can add a zero to that number and COVID would still be over ten times as deadly as you claim the vaccine is.

This entire line of argument about the so-called danger from the vaccine requires you to ignore the danger from COVID.  There is no way to slice and dice the numbers to arrive at a conclusion that the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID.

The question answers itself.

If YouTube comments count as "evidence," there is literally nothing in the world that does not count as evidence.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/17-year-old-died-myocarditis-pfizer-shot-vaers-data/?itm_term=home (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/17-year-old-died-myocarditis-pfizer-shot-vaers-data/?itm_term=home)

It's up to 30,000 now

And remember these are just reported deaths.  The real number is likely MUCH higher.

Covid has a 99% survival rate.  Was it worth it for me to risk getting this EXTREMELY dangerous vaccine?

That 30,000 number is pure fiction; VAERS is entirely self-reported data.  I could go on VAERS right now and say that the vaccine made my arm fall off.

But let's suppose that number were true:

There are over 261.5 million Americans (https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+vaccinated+in+us) who have received at least one dose of a COVID vaccine.

30,000 deaths out of 261,586,806 vaccinated means that you have a 99.988% chance of surviving the vaccine.  A "99% survival rate" is over eighty times more dangerous than a 99.988% survival rate.

There is no way to make the numbers work for you here.  If you think the vaccines are "dangerous," COVID itself is the grim reaper in comparison.  And likewise, if you think COVID presents an "acceptable risk," you should consider the vaccines to present no calculable risk whatsoever.

Why is this even a thing anymore? Get the shot or not. That’s it. Case closed. Time to move on.

Actually you have your analogy backwards.  The anti-vax argument is something along the lines of I know this guy who texts and drives and hasn’t had an accident and I also knew someone who claims that texting while drive is dangerous and she was killed in a car accident therefore texting while drive is safer than not texting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8hziFKi_NE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8hziFKi_NE)

This proves that this is not a pandemic of the unvaccinated ANYMORE

Also, Spider, I will make the numbers work in my favor.

The VAST, VAST majority of COVID deaths of people in the United States are people who are old or have preexisting conditions.

This means that FAR more perfectly healthy have died from the vaccines than from COVID

This means the odds are greatly in favor of perfectly healthy people NOT being vaccinated than being vaccinated.

Now, in fairness times can change

Most of the Schaden-whatever of the pro-vaxxers was during the Delta Surge.

At the time, it DID seem to be a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

However, times have changed.  The odds seem to be in favor of non-vaccination, at least for perfectly healthy people.

The equivalent of

"https://www.infowars.com/?cp=1 proves Sandyhook was staged. "

The stated goal of trialsitenews is to be a disruptive force and promote information rejected as dubious or false by the mainstream medical and scientific community.  

CDC:trialsitenews::NASA:theflatearthsociety.org

You know absolutely nothing about the preexisting medical conditions of the people who have "died from the vaccine."
It is pure wishcasting to claim that they were perfectly healthy.

And again, EVEN IF that were true, and EVEN IF the numbers were 30,000 (which they are not), over twice as many people have been vaccinated as have caught COVID, and there are over THIRTY TIMES as many COVID deaths as the (fake) number of vaccine deaths you claim.  Even if NINETY PERCENT of COVID deaths were among the old and infirm, your own numbers would mean COVID is at least six times more deadly than the vaccine.  Even with the fake, imaginary numbers you are using, there is STILL no way to make the numbers work.  You would need to claim that MILLIONS have died from the vaccine in order to prove your point!

You have no evidence for "vaccine-caused deaths" outside of one easily manipulated website that anyone can submit reports to.  You're literally citing YouTube comment sections as a source for "death statistics."  This is absurd.

I saw a recent blog post analyzing the CDC numbers from May.  I asked the author for a direct link to the CDC numbers used to calculate these stats, and I'll provide a link when I hear back.  In any case:

Annual mortality rate from COVID among the unvaccinated, all ages:

285 per 100,000

Vaccinated no booster: 48 per 100,000

Vaccinated single booster:  37 per 100,000

Vaccinated double booster: 12 per 100,000

Annual all-cause mortality rate in the USA pre-COVID pandemic, all ages: 867 per 100,000

Mortality rate from COVID by age group:

Among 65+ years old

Unvaccinated:  569 per 100,000

Vaccinated no booster:  90 per 100,000

Vaccinated single booster: 76 per 100,000

Vaccinated double booster: 26 per 100,000

Baseline annual all-cause mortality rate in this cohort pre-COVID was about 5,000 per 100,000

Among 50-64 years old

Unvaccinated: 47 per 100,000

Vaccinated no booster:  12

Vaccinated single booster:  5 per 100,000

Vaccinated double booster:  Zero

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In other words, among people ages 50-64, getting vaccinated and boosted takes you from a COVID death rate of 47 per 100,000 to a COVID death rate of zero per 100,000.

I hate to do this, but can it just be dropped? If someone wants to talk themselves into or out of a vaccine for whatever reason, do what you really want to do. Beating a dead horse at this point. It’s tiresome. Just running around in circles.

Not getting the vax is one thing, but spreading misinformation is another.

i am all for freedom of speech and exchange of different opinions, but the spreading of blatantly false information that causes direct harm is evil.

Hoodie,

What you just said is the entire reason I started this thread.

stinkfish,

This is a very important issue

But what he's spreading isn't blatantly false

Yes, it is.  It is misinformation.  Made up bullshit that contradicts the scientific research. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-surging-again-health-officials-090450424.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-surging-again-health-officials-090450424.html)

Great article here.

This is the key point:

Shockney also said the vaccination status of people who are in the hospital with COVID-19 has flipped. For much of the time that vaccines have been available, the vast majority of people who were hospitalized with and died from the disease were unvaccinated. However, on Friday, IU Health presented a graphic showing 20 of the 31 patients in the hospital were vaccinated. In addition, half of the six people in the ICU were vaccinated, as were both of the patients on ventilators.

This seems to confirm my theory that the vaccines are no longer effective.  Against the Delta Variant, they did seem to be effective, but not against these variants.

Therefore, why are officials urging people to get vaccines and boosters?

Every comment on this article is negative.

This is from almost exactly one year ago

https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/news/local/2021/08/21/indiana-covid-delta-variant-monroe-county-hospitalizations/8203417002/ (https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/news/local/2021/08/21/indiana-covid-delta-variant-monroe-county-hospitalizations/8203417002/)

Almost all the patients were unvaccinated.

And Hoodie, it is NOT misinformation what I am posting

I'm done getting shots and boosters for COVID.  The most alarming thing is how they've treated the J&J shot imo.  Something like 5 people out of the millions who got the shot had blood clotting issues and they shut down the J&J shot for a couple of weeks.  Now I think they don't even recommend it, but to me it seems like side effects are the same if not worse with the MRNA vaccines.  Also, anecdotally, my wife and I both got the J&J and the booster and haven't gotten COVID yet in any form (knock on wood), my nephew and his girlfriend are the same and she works at a hospital.  We've all been exposed multiple times to people who had COVID at one time or another too.

It helped in the early stages, but it doesn't seem to do shit now. 

Yes, you are posting misinformation.  

First reason:  Around 80% the population has had at least one dose.  If the vaccine was useless you would expect ~80% of the people in the ICU to be vaccine yet only half are. So the idea they no longer do anything is a complete LIE about how statistic works.

Second reason:  Your contradiction of medical advice to get vaccinated/boosted is HARMFUL.  Most of the "vaccinated" people who are in hospital are people who got vaccinated but not boosted.  The vaccine wears off.  You need to get boosted.  That is the point of the article.

Posting that that article supports a position that one should not get vaccinated/boosted.  Either means you lack even basic reading comprehension.  Or you are purposefully engaging in FRAUD to harm people.  Because that article states the exact opposite!

Quit trying to turn this board into infowars.

So you, your wife, your nephew, and his girlfriend have all got the vaccine + a booster, and none of you have caught COVID.  And your takeaway from this is that vaccine+booster... DOESN'T work?

So what would it prove if you all caught it and had mild symptoms?
How about if you all caught it and were hospitalized?
Caught it and died?

The goalposts on this are absolutely insane.

I feel like you're grouping me with the others.  I'm saying people shit on the J&J shot and it seems to work the best in my circle.  I am also saying after a shot and a booster I'm done, these latest strains are weak and I won't fear death if I refrain from getting more boosters. 

To be perfectly clear on what we are now categorizing as "weak":

At current US death rates, COVID will level off at ~125,000 deaths per year.
Three years ago, a disease that caused 125,000 deaths per year would have been considered a national catastrophe; one that requires drastic federal action in response
Now, 125,000 deaths per year is so "insignificant" that the prospect of an annual booster shot (which might give you a slight headache, or maybe make you a bit tired for a day) is considered too much effort.