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In the you can't make this stuff up ... lol. The guy who led the Russia probe on Trump has ties to Russia and was taking money to remove sanctions against them.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/former-fbi-official-charles-mcgonigal-arrested-ties-russian/story?id=96609658

FBI Assistant Director in Charge Michael J. Driscoll said. "Russian oligarchs like Oleg Deripaska perform global malign influence on behalf of the Kremlin and are associated with acts of bribery, extortion, and violence."

 

So the guy investigating whether russia backed trump and handwaved that there was nothing going on was being paid by the russians .. mmm hmm.

I wonder how much money has to be involved to corrupt an FBI agent, who dedicated his life to fighting against this stuff.  These oligarchs are crazytown rich.  They can toss away millions as if it's nothing.

Money is almost always involved, but that is usually only a kicker.  Typically it is something along the lines of finding out something about the guy like drug addiction or cheating on wife and blackmail.

I hadn't thought of that, but yeah...that makes sense.

Hahaha ... who knows? Just kind of ironic either way.


I saw that it was $225,000 somewhere but they figured it to be more.


The thing that blows my mind is how unsecure everything really is. They found classified material at Pence's house today. Just in the recent past that means Trump, Clinton, Biden, Pence and even the FBI have been irresponsible at best. How is there not a more secure way to make sure this kind of stuff doesn't happen.

I don't really think the classified docs thing is a big deal and the more I listen about it from people in the business, it's just something that happens.

There is a procedure to the stuff -- you discover it stuck in a pile of other things, report it, and then there is an investigation into how it occurred.  But it happens a lot and it's benign.

This isn't "see...Trump did the same thing as everyone else".  It's not the same.  Pence and Biden probably did the same thing.  Trump obstructed the process.

Biden and Pence voluntarily turned in classified documents that they found before the feds even knew to ask.  They have both (so far) cooperated fully.
Trump was repeatedly asked for classified documents and refused to turn them over.  He has obstructed at every turn.

What Biden and Pence did was similar.
What Trump did was not.

I get it. Orange man is absolutley evil and everything he does is the worst even if it is the same as others. Regardless of the sidebars of Trump beiing bad ... there is obviously somehting wrong with the system. Even Jimmy Carter was found to have classified material and I'm pretty certin he isn't the only one.  Who knows what else is out there or what secrets have been blown by these things. I saw a former FBI officer saying people died to get the infornation on many of these documents. It isn't like a math test answers were given up.

Don't do this.

It's not the same as others.

The others are the same as each other.  Trump's is different.  He's obstructing the process of reporting, returning, and cooperating.  It's not just that he had some documents.


As things get more digital, this will likely be less of a problem, but as I understand it, when you have sensitive information on paper at many different locations...and there are millions on documents over a tenure, it's likely that some don't get filed -- and it's like like the president is the only one...it could be anyone related to his staff.  Also, there are varying levels of classified documents.  It's probably not like the nuclear codes are laying out on some desk.  It's stuff that should be secured, but I don't think that this is something to be overly alarmed about.  Sure, do better -- investigate or whatever.  But I don't find this to be an unheard of security risk.

I wasn't specifically speaking about this case. The need to bash Trump over actually discussing topics in here is at a rediculous level. It really doesn't make it worth speaking an opinion knowing that every response will turn into Trump bashing instead of the topic.

YOU started this thread. 

This arrest suggest that there was Russian collusion with Trump during the 2016 election and that the reason the FBI didn't find more evidence of this was a Russian agent prevented it.  While this arrest doesn't prove the collusion, it is evidence of collusion by Russia.  Yet you want to believe that proof of Russian interference somehow exonerates Trump.

More accurately: you will defend Trump and run interference for him no matter what it is that he does.

This very thread was created by you in Trump's defense, when in reality, that arrest just makes the Trump-Russia implications even worse.

Shows how little you know of me. In here I may do that but it's because you guys are so far left you can't even see the middle any longer. I was done with Trump after the last presidential election and wished he would have butted out of the mid terms.  If in fact just a small percentage of what you guys accuse him of was true he'd be in jail and wouldn't be thorn in the side of the GOP.

If you read this first post and interpret it to mean I'm defending Trump then that's your issue with biasness. Go back and reread it. First post was strictly about the irony ... that why I said "You can't make this up". Never said anything about how he is crooked hence Trump is not.

Then allow me to make a prediction:

After Trump wins the 2024 GOP presidential primary, you will, once again, be back here defending him with the same old I'm not voting for an "angel-in-chief" excuses right before you pull the lever for him in November.

Your proclamations of being "done with Trump" are meaningless, because you never actually act on them in any way that matters.  The Republican Party - who will certainly win any vote you choose to cast at this point - is so busted and shame-free that every GOP politician will happily stick-it-out through any scandal.  I imagine you laugh and snicker about how weak the Democrats are when they successfully force elected politicians like Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo to resign due to misconduct... something that today's Republicans would never even consider under any circumstances.  Just look at Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, and George Santos today.

But it ISN'T the same. And you apparently DON'T get it...

Voting for him and or supporting him are two different things. I've never once defended any of his crazy antics I thought were crazy. Considerng you have an IQ I'm fairly certain you have reliazed Uncle Joe is bat shit crazy but would vote for him if he was the only option in your favor.

Apparently I have to be litteral with everything I type in here. I was speaking in general terms. Clinton, Obama, Biden etc. says build a wall and secure the border then it's cool. Trump says it and he is racist. Those kind of things.

You can support him without voting for him, but you can't vote for him without supporting him.  Voting for him IS supporting him.

Despite your attempts to flatten the differences and make it seem like everyone else supports politicians that are just as bad as your guy (where "your guy" = the one you repeatedly voted for) , you've never had to hear me offer up weak excuses like "I didn't vote for an angel-in-chief" or "Sometimes God uses a salty sailor to get the job done."

You've never heard me say anything like that about Obama, Hillary, or Biden... probably because they aren't out here bragging about sexually assaulting women, or cheating on their pregnant wives, or any of the multiple other things that you have criticized Trump for.  As I have been saying for years:

Out of curiosity, what of Biden's actions as president have you disliked or not supported?

- Cancelling Keystone Pipeline, fuel permitting in general. Groveling to countries that want us dead to send more fuel etc
- His lack of concern for securing the border
- Hi constant complaining about guns but pretending fetanal and other deaths from drugs coming across border don't far outweigh them
- Pretending unvaccinated people are evil but not concerned enough to stop unvaccinated illegals
- No plan to curb inflation
- Increasing national debt
- Afganistan, arming the Taliban
- the fact he can't rememebr his wife from his sister
- the fact he makes up lies contantly. The latest being about his father and uncle who both died way before he became vice president. It's been an issue since he was young in office but somehow main stream media forgot they used to call him on these things.
 .... just to name a few

I like how predictably this thread became about me and Trump and NOT the subject of security in our nations capital.