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 on: November 21, 2025, 01:22:44 pm 
Started by masterfins - Last post by Phishfan
In this case, it's just a table. You could easily have that printed out and laminated nicely if there are limitations on software that teams can use during the game.

It would be a pretty big table. Consider how many variables need to be plugged in (remember this all started because we are talking about 3.5% difference) down, distance,  field position, time on the clock, etc. All being run at multiple variables prior to a game.

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 on: November 21, 2025, 09:23:22 am 
Started by dolphins4life - Last post by Sibster
It looks like this is going to be a combo repeat of 2011/2013.   In 2011, the Dolphins started 0-7, then suddenly decided to start winning, ruining their chances of getting Andrew Luck and instead ending up with Ryan Tannehill in the 2012 draft.   In 2013, they fired the GM but not the coach at the end of the season, then insisted on keeping the coach when interviewing GM candidates, forcing them to settle for their 8th or 9th choice after everyone else dropped out of consideration.

One big nightmare if you ask me.   And no hope of waking up anytime soon.

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 on: November 21, 2025, 07:14:57 am 
Started by masterfins - Last post by fyo
Any coach that actually cares about analytics and statistical probability would have to be a complete moron NOT to have a guy in the booth upstairs punching down and distance into a computer after every play; a person that can instantly tell him on his headset what his expected outcomes are.

In this case, it's just a table. You could easily have that printed out and laminated nicely if there are limitations on software that teams can use during the game.

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 on: November 21, 2025, 07:12:07 am 
Started by masterfins - Last post by fyo
It's pretty easy to look at every scenario after a game and punch in the numbers and give the probability. These coaches are facing a play clock,  are not sitting in front of a computer, etc. If you think McDaniel had any clue there was a 3.5% sway either way when he made his decision I think you are delusional. I may be naive.

He absolutely knew the percentage for the general case. Each team uses their own models, but if you don't think they have a chart or someone in the booth available with the numbers, I do think you are naive. 4th down, X yards to go, up Y points is a set of numbers that are very easy to run beforehand.

The 3.5% is obviously for the average case across the league and I would seriously hope that the Dolphins use a model that is optimized for their offense. Hopefully, they adjust the numbers every game for their opponent.

I would also hope that the McDaniel uses what he has seen all game long to tip the scales one way or another when deciding.

There's a lot of hope there and I obviously have zero clue what the Dolphins actually do.

Personally, it *felt* like the wrong call, but the Dolphins have actually been quite good in "power" situations this year, so I'm not able to point to easy numbers that back up my *feelings*.

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 on: November 21, 2025, 12:01:18 am 
Started by masterfins - Last post by Spider-Dan
The point is that it's not McDaniel whipping out a calculator and figuring out the percentages himself while the play clock is running.  Teams that care about analytics will have a person in charge of that, and the head coach will simply ask them "What are the percentages on going for it vs. kicking the FG?", quickly receive an answer, and make a decision.  He's not just spitballing it.

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 on: November 20, 2025, 10:28:34 pm 
Started by masterfins - Last post by Phishfan
I think that depends on exactly what is allowed. The internet isn't exactly clear on the subject but what I see is that only NFL approved hardware and software can be used during a game. What is included in those tools I don't know. I don't expect they have real time access to number crunching real time for every single scenario but they do probably have an analyst with a bunch of general situations already played out.

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 on: November 20, 2025, 09:54:32 pm 
Started by masterfins - Last post by Spider-Dan
It's pretty easy to look at every scenario after a game and punch in the numbers and give the probability. These coaches are facing a play clock,  are not sitting in front of a computer, etc.
Any coach that actually cares about analytics and statistical probability would have to be a complete moron NOT to have a guy in the booth upstairs punching down and distance into a computer after every play; a person that can instantly tell him on his headset what his expected outcomes are.

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 on: November 20, 2025, 09:20:34 pm 
Started by dolphins4life - Last post by masterfins
It really doesn't matter, at this point their odds of making the playoffs is right around 1%.  Miami would have to win out to make the playoffs.

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 on: November 20, 2025, 09:18:46 pm 
Started by Pappy13 - Last post by masterfins

Yes, I agree that any team is not as good without their starting QB but I think this year in particular Allen is basically carrying that team.

True.  I live in upstate NY so I hear the complaints from Bills Fans.  They definitely are not as good a team talent wise this year as prior years.  The owners of the Bills, The Pegula's, aren't great owners and are more in it for the money.  The only positive thing they've done/did when they bought the team was to keep it in the Buffalo area.  They could use a good GM, Chris Grier would be an upgrade for them.

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 on: November 20, 2025, 06:40:59 pm 
Started by masterfins - Last post by Dave Gray
Yes it does make sense.  Those percentages factors assume both scoring opportunities were successful.

They do not.

The percentage means that at the decision point, the team that choose to attempt to go for it will win the game 3.5% more than the team that chooses to attempt the kick.  Then you have to factor in all the possibilities of missed TDs, going for 2, missed kicks, onside kicks, etc.  There are a lot of factors.

The real argument against is that the Dolphins are uniquely bad at going for it on short yardage as opposed to the average.

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