British hospitals burned bodies of aborted, miscarried babies to heat buildings

[masterfins]

it's a matter of intent .. if a woman intends to carry full term .. it's not a parasite .. if a woman is forced to carry it to term against her will by the government .. then it's a parasite ..  .. it's the difference between a volunteer army and the draft . .between charity and taxes .. you should recognize the difference

Yeah I definitely missed that day in science class.  I just hope you and Buddhagirl don't go around to friends and family who are pregnant and call their unborn children parasites.

[Sunstroke]

Protected sex can lead to pregnancies.  So can using the pill.  So can "pulling out."  So is it abstinence or nothing, then?

I guess I'm the poster-sperm for this situation, as I've impregnated women five times in my life, and on at least two of those occasions, I was wearing a condom. Some tadpoles will just not be denied...

[masterfins]

Protected sex can lead to pregnancies.  So can using the pill.  So can "pulling out."  So is it abstinence or nothing, then?

Are you really intimating that any relevant percentage of unwanted pregnancies are the result of the failure of the proper use of proven birth control methods (excluding the 'pulling out" method because that method is just dumb).  I grant you there are instances of pregnancies occurring even while using birth control, but this is very minor.

[masterfins]

I guess I'm the poster-sperm for this situation, as I've impregnated women five times in my life, and on at least two of those occasions, I was wearing a condom. Some tadpoles will just not be denied...

You are exceptional, but I'm sure you already know that.   

[masterfins]

I'm trying to understand your views, truly. What is your basis for prohibiting women from terminating pregnancies?

It's pretty basic, I believe that life begins once the egg becomes fertilized.  Therefore purposefully terminating a pregnancy is snuffing out a life, and is morally wrong.  Life is the utmost, it can't be compared or put on the same level of anything else.

If you want to look at it from the legal perspective, late term pregnancies are illegal because the fetus can survive outside the womb.  Well medical advancements are constantly pushing back the time in which a baby can survive.  It wouldn't surprise me if 50 years from now a baby could be grown completely outside the womb.  Then what???  Does advanced technology somehow change the value of that life??  Does abortion then become illegal again?

I'm not anti abortion as some sort of punishment, quite the contrary I'd rather see women in this situation receive help and support, and I would donate or pay taxes to help.  However, preferably I would rather not see them get into a situation that they are not ready for, or are unable to handle.  I don't think you can deny that the availability of abortions allows people (men and women) to act with a lack of responsibility.

[Fau Teixeira]

Do you see the termination of the pregnancy as the direct killing of the fetus or do you see the death of the fetus as a side-effect of the pregnancy termination ?

Do you believe in abortion in cases of rape ?

I don't want to make assumptions or put words in your mouth so I'd like to know what exactly you believe and why you believe it.

[Buddhagirl]

It's pretty basic, I believe that life begins once the egg becomes fertilized.  Therefore purposefully terminating a pregnancy is snuffing out a life, and is morally wrong.  Life is the utmost, it can't be compared or put on the same level of anything else.

If you want to look at it from the legal perspective, late term pregnancies are illegal because the fetus can survive outside the womb.  Well medical advancements are constantly pushing back the time in which a baby can survive.  It wouldn't surprise me if 50 years from now a baby could be grown completely outside the womb.  Then what???  Does advanced technology somehow change the value of that life??  Does abortion then become illegal again?

I'm not anti abortion as some sort of punishment, quite the contrary I'd rather see women in this situation receive help and support, and I would donate or pay taxes to help.  However, preferably I would rather not see them get into a situation that they are not ready for, or are unable to handle.  I don't think you can deny that the availability of abortions allows people (men and women) to act with a lack of responsibility.

RESPONSIBILITY IS GETTING AN ABORTION. FULL STOP.

Of course, you think a clump of cells is a person. What next? You're going to tell me you're a creationist and believe the sun orbits the earth?

And yeah...forcing women to carry pregnancies to birth is a punishment if she does not choose to do so. You're taking away the woman's autonomy.

I hope you're busy adopting all the babies right now and sponsoring mothers that didn't want to be pregnant, but decided to keep their kids. Otherwise, you need to step to the left.

[dolphins4life]

I guess I'm the poster-sperm for this situation, as I've impregnated women five times in my life, and on at least two of those occasions, I was wearing a condom. Some tadpoles will just not be denied...

Did they break?

If they did, do you have some recourse against the condom company?

[Sunstroke]

Did they break?

If they did, do you have some recourse against the condom company?

No idea...and no idea. The last time it happened was over 20 years ago.

[dolphins4life]

Question:

If I was a woman and I got pregnant by a rich person, should I celebrate?

[Sunstroke]

Question:

If I was a woman and I got pregnant by a rich person, should I celebrate?

Just when I thought I had completed the final edits of my groundbreaking psychological research paper:

The Unabridged Catalog of Dolphins4life's Bizarre Mental Issues and Personality Quirks

...BOOM, you hit me with a whole new chapter. 

[dolphins4life]

Just when I thought I had completed the final edits of my groundbreaking psychological research paper:

The Unabridged Catalog of Dolphins4life's Bizarre Mental Issues and Personality Quirks

...BOOM, you hit me with a whole new chapter. 

I was actually trying to make a point with this post.

It seems the path we are headed on in society is that we are teaching people that the way to easy street is to get yourself pregnant.

This is not a good path to head down, in my opinion.

I am all for helping the poor, but I am not for rewarding irresponsibility.

[Spider-Dan]

It wouldn't surprise me if 50 years from now a baby could be grown completely outside the womb.  Then what???

Simple: a pregnant woman says, "I no longer wish to be pregnant" and drops her fertilized embryo off at the prenatal adoption clinic, where it is incubated until it's ready for new adoptive parents to take it home.  (Though the question of who pays for this is sure to elicit lots of hilarious rhetorical backpedaling from conservatives.)

The issue is whether the government should force a person to be an unwilling host to a fetus for 9 months.  In the current state of medicine, deciding that you want to have sex is NOT the same thing as deciding that you want to have a child (in both respects: you can have sex without becoming a parent, and you can become a parent without having sex).  The only reason sex may be considered implicit parental responsibility is because some choose to enforce their morality about sexual activity on others.

[Phishfan]

It wouldn't surprise me if 50 years from now a baby could be grown completely outside the womb.  Then what???  Does advanced technology somehow change the value of that life??  Does abortion then become illegal again?

That would be a perfect world. The mother could get rid of the fetus, the baby could be born on a test tube, then it would be adopted by all those people lined up around the block.

[Buddhagirl]

That would be a perfect world. The mother could get rid of the fetus, the baby could be born on a test tube, then it would be adopted by all those people lined up around the block.

Sounds like a win-win. Let's get to work on this!