I have Covid

[stinkfish]

I got my first shot today. Been feeling a little "off". No pain at the injection site yet, like I would have expected. Don't know if that's good or bad, or meaningless. I've been feeling a little tired for a little bit since, but that feels like it's starting to turn into that bone deep exhaustion that you can't even keep your eyes open. If something like Benadryl does that to you, then you know what I mean.

[Dave Gray]

In my life, in terms of the vaccine, there's been a turn.  Pretty much everyone I know either has scheduled or received at least the first shot.  The only ones that haven't are those that are either refusing it or not seeking it out -- or children.

I'm still not doing stuff yet, but honestly, I've not really had the urge.  I did feel comfortable enough to see some friends the other day.  I had a mask for part of it, like when we went inside, but outside, I was comfortable enough to be unmasked.

One has had the vax, the other has not.

I plan on visiting a friend for the draft.  I'll be fully vaxed + some extra time, so I should be good.  He will be partially vaxed.  There may be some other people there -- I don't know.

I am trying to skirt the line between choosing safety and not being a weirdo.  I'd really prefer to put myself in siutations where I'm vaxed and, if in indoor/unmasked situations, around other people that are vaxed, but I'm not going to storm out if someone shows up.  I want to avoid giving this to my kids.  ...long-term damage, community spread, costs, missing school...it's not going to kill them, but it going to be a hardship.

[Tenshot13]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/us-regulators-reportedly-call-for-pause-in-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-due-to-clotting-issues.html
FDA halts use of Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine due to rare blood-clotting issues in six women

--I'm finding this to be ridiculous.  6 women out of 6.8 million people get a blood clotting issue, and the FDA wants halting of use?  A couple of things to note in the article:

The FDA said the recommendation is “out of an abundance of caution.”

--Kind of jumping the gun there FDA.

After the news, first reported by The New York Times, shares of J&J were down 2.4% in premarket trading Tuesday.

--As usual, follow the money.  Who is benefiting from a dip in J&J stock?

“This is a devastating blow to this J&J vaccine effort in the United States,” Patel, a primary care physician in Washington, D.C., said in an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” Patel said the supply of the two-shot vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna won’t be able to quickly make up the demand created by the J&J pause. This will delay U.S. vaccination efforts, she added.

--So getting rid of the virus is now delayed because of 6 people out of 6.8 million.  This is ridiculous, especially when looking at this:

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447
Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?

According to the report, 472 people died after receiving a Moderna vaccine, while 489 died after receiving a Pfizer vaccine. Additionally, five people died after receiving a jab from an unknown manufacturer.
...

The Ruling
Mostly True.

The VAERS database is dense with data and the WONDER system might return slightly different statistics depending on how the user wants the data to be displayed, even if the search parameters are kept the same. Newsweek could not independently replicate the exact method The Epoch Times used to gather its data, but our VAERS death results were very close to those reported by the outlet.

[Dave Gray]

Any medicine.  Any food.  Any foreign substance you're putting into the body will cause a reaction and potential death in the population.

1 death in 7 million is negligible.  (Assuming that the death is actually caused by the JJ and not a coincidence.)  People will likely die from this decision.

I support abundances of caution, just to make sure this isn't a bigger problem, but this is really unfortunate.  This will slow administering of the vaccine and will probably be fuel for people not to get it, even when re-approved.  But, at the same time, I don't want anyone hiding the data.  Weird that this only happens with women....same with the AztraZeneca.

Unfortunate.

[CF DolFan]

I don't think the 6 women is the whole story and might even be an attempt to cover for big pharma. For the last week I've seen at least a half dozen sites shut down because multiple people were having serious side effects of the J&J. I'm sure "the rest of the story" will come out sooner or later. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I support the FDAs move.  We don't know how many people developed the side effect we only know how many were serious enough to be hospitalized.  JJ seems to be having other issues as well. 

But more importantly we are quickly approaching the point in which the availability of the vax will stop being a factor and willingness to get vax will be the deciding factor. If at the end of May 85% of all Americans feel the FDA is paranoid about making sure the vax is safe, then we will be in great shape even if we only have the other two vaxs.  OTOH if more than 40% of Americans feel the FDA is cavilaler  about allowing potentially dangerous vax and are refusing not just JJ but the other two than we will never reach herd immunity.

[Pappy13]

I do think getting vaccinated is a choice that everyone has to make. The virus affects people differently. Some people are asymptomatic and unless you've had it you don't really know how it will affect you so getting a vaccine which may or may not have serious side effects to avoid getting a virus that may or may not have serious side effects is a real decision to make especially now that infection rates are dropping. It's not a no brainer in my opinion. I can understand others maybe not wanting to get the vaccine until at least they know how the virus might affect them if at all although you are taking a chance that you are one of the people that it could be lethal, but then again it's possible getting the vaccination could have serious consequences and there's always the possibility that you won't get the virus. It's a tough choice.

Now that I know that I'm not asymptomatic and the symptoms from the virus are pretty serious for me, I won't be taking any chances, I'll take my risks with the vaccine probably at least until it's deemed that you don't need it anymore. I had some very minor symptoms with both of the vaccinations, a little headache, some fever, a little tired etc for a day but compared to having the virus this was a walk in the park for me so the choice is easy.

[Dave Gray]

I don't really think it's fair to say "may or may not have serious side affects".

I mean...even if these links to JJ and AstraZeneca come to fruition, they are a rounding error.  There isn't a risk of side effects, any more than anything.  If the numbers bear out as true (granted, we may learn more) -- but with what we know today, this vaccine would statistically kill 48 people if every man, woman and child were vaccinated in the country.

That number is 0, statistically.  It's not fair to compare it with actually getting COVID.

[Pappy13]

I don't really think it's fair to say "may or may not have serious side affects".

I mean...even if these links to JJ and AstraZeneca come to fruition, they are a rounding error.  There isn't a risk of side effects, any more than anything.  If the numbers bear out as true (granted, we may learn more) -- but with what we know today, this vaccine would statistically kill 48 people if every man, woman and child were vaccinated in the country.

That number is 0, statistically.  It's not fair to compare it with actually getting COVID.

On the other hand we don't really have much data on who is asymptomatic either. We mostly only know when people get the virus and have serious side effects, we don't really know how many people have had it and had relatively minor case. In my daughters case she's talked to all of her teacher friends and most have tested positive for the virus and most of them had very few symptoms. In a day or 2 they were fine, maybe like getting the flu or maybe even just a common cold or perhaps like getting the vaccine? How many people get a flu shot every year? I don't because I'm not really concerned with getting the flu. I'll be getting a Covid vacination because I know how Covid affects me.

And they don't necessarily have to be asymptomatic either. I had Covid and I have been counted as infected but no one has really asked me how it affected me they just wanted to know if I've recovered. I have, but I did go into the emergency room 1 day so it was a pretty scary thing, but how many people are not counted as having Covid because their symptoms were so minor they never even got tested? I think you're only looking at from your view, I think there are multiple ways to look at it and it's a tough choice in my opinion. I would tell people to get it, but I can't say that people who choose not to get it done are foolish. There are risks to be considered either way.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I don't really think it's fair to say "may or may not have serious side affects".

I mean...even if these links to JJ and AstraZeneca come to fruition, they are a rounding error.  There isn't a risk of side effects, any more than anything.  If the numbers bear out as true (granted, we may learn more) -- but with what we know today, this vaccine would statistically kill 48 people if every man, woman and child were vaccinated in the country.

That number is 0, statistically.  It's not fair to compare it with actually getting COVID.

If 48 people die from the Covid vax that will be exactly 48 more people dying from that vax than the number of children who get autism from vaxs.  Yet we have a problem getting everyone to get the smallpox vax.  It is absolutely vital for the FDA to not only act with an abundance of caution but to be seen as acting with an abundance of caution.

[Dave Gray]

If 48 people die from the Covid vax that will be exactly 48 more people dying from that vax than the number of children who get autism from vaxs.  Yet we have a problem getting everyone to get the smallpox vax.  It is absolutely vital for the FDA to not only act with an abundance of caution but to be seen as acting with an abundance of caution.

I hope you are right.  I think it's far more likely that people will be less inclined to take it, because the FDA pulled it, but we'll see.

[Spider-Dan]

When the FDA pulls the vaccine "out of an abundance of caution," we should consider how many unvaccinated people will die as a result of that decision.  (Over the last week, we've lost an average of 985 Americans each day to COVID.)

Before we even started vaccinating people, I saw the following image:



Keep that in mind.