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« Reply #105 on: April 06, 2022, 10:02:56 am »

I would support anything we do to topple Putin.

I don't want nuclear war, obviously, but it seems like at some point you have to address it.  Nukes exist and assholes have the button.  So you're just gonna let assholes do whatever, forever?  Go in and kill the guy.
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« Reply #106 on: April 06, 2022, 10:25:28 am »

I just had this crazy thought - life imitating "art".  I said about China now gradually backing away from Russia after the Bucha atrocities are becoming widely known...

It's like that episode of Seinfeld, the pact between Jerry and George - Russia has decided to marry (ie. invade) Ukraine and is expecting China to do the same with Taiwan, who is looking around, and having second thoughts...

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« Reply #107 on: April 06, 2022, 10:59:24 am »

I would support anything we do to topple Putin.

I don't want nuclear war, obviously, but it seems like at some point you have to address it.  Nukes exist and assholes have the button.  So you're just gonna let assholes do whatever, forever?  Go in and kill the guy.

The other crazy thing to come up from the last lot of negotiations was that the Russians allegedly poisoned the Ukrainians in the room (and an Oligarch acting as an intermediate) as some sort of warning! How the hell can you talk with people who will openly demonstrate they are willing to flippantly kill you during the actual process of a peace talk? Talk about zero trust!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/roman-abramovich-and-ukrainian-peace-negotiators-suffer-symptoms-of-suspected-poisoning-11648480493
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« Reply #108 on: April 06, 2022, 02:32:26 pm »

I would support anything we do to topple Putin.

I don't want nuclear war, obviously, but it seems like at some point you have to address it.  Nukes exist and assholes have the button.  So you're just gonna let assholes do whatever, forever?
Not "whatever, forever".  We will let them invade countries with which we do not have military alliances committing us to mutual defense.  Unfortunately, that's the kind of clout that you get from having nukes, as Iraq can attest.

If you're going to make the argument that a Russian invasion of Ukraine merits a direct US/NATO military response, then make that argument.  But don't tell me it's because of Russia's conduct since the invasion, because that's BS.  There has been stuff that's as-bad-or-worse than this going on in Central America, Africa, and the Middle East for the past... 20 years?  Yet no one gives a damn.  And we don't even have to risk WW3 to put an end to it!

Again, to be clear: I support aid to Ukraine, even at a greater level than we might aid some of these other regions I mentioned; the stakes are different. But the idea that we should risk open war with a nuclear power for a non-NATO country strictly because of how badly Ukrainians are suffering just doesn't sit right with me when we casually allow millions of brown people around the globe to suffer just as badly. I'm not doing whataboutism here; I'm saying, "Let's stick with the same military decision we were already making even if we see pictures of white Europeans suffering as a consequence."
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