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Defense54
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« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2008, 06:59:07 pm »

^ It's hard to "hit" when you change coaches,and philosphies,and direction every year or two..... But that's another arguement...

then what was Wannastadt's excuse?
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« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2008, 07:30:03 pm »

then what was Wannastadt's excuse?

In keeping with Stroke's thesis, you need people in charge of player personnel who are consistently good at it. Wanny unfortunately was a persistently poor judge of talent, albeit in a consistent way.

Wanny did have a vision and philosophy....A good defense, Jay Fiedler at QB, a good ball control running game, and try and win a lot of close 17-14 defensive slugfests in the 4th quarter. With some decent talent he inherited, he had winning  teams at first, but with his insistence on sticking with the elf, terrible drafting, and desperation trades, the team declined and worsened. Wanny had a vision, but it was a flawed one and ultimately doomed.
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« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2008, 08:13:52 pm »

Wanny did have a vision and philosophy....A good defense, Jay Fiedler at QB, a good ball control running game

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...
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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2008, 08:16:46 pm »

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

Now I didn't say Wanny had a good vision or good philosophy....believing in Jay Fiedler as a championship level QB is more like a hallucinogenic vision.

But getting back to my point, and Stroke's theorizing, is that consistency of management and an ongoing  overarching philosophy in building a team is extremely important, but the caveat is that it has to be consistently good. (as opposed to consistently bad Wannastadtian levels of ongoing, overarching, shiteousness).
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« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2008, 10:48:40 pm »

I agree with what Stroke is saying,but as a fan, I'm worried Bill Parcells will cut in run in about 2 years...I just hope that the people he puts in place learn enough,to be worth a damn 4-5 years down the road.....

then what was Wannastadt's excuse?

Wanny had to 4 years of shear ignorance....before losing power that final year....to Spielman,for a year,then Saban...Blah,Blah...Wanny was a major believer in the 1 player away theory,Screw the future,Win now,mentality....(see the Ricky Williams trade )

I'm sorry for hijacking the draft thread....I was just trying to make the point...(Which Stroke made my point make sense...)

Edited to Reanswer Defens5499's question properly...

Also the same Continuity issue happened with Wannstedt...the difference was it was the coordinator position,and it still rings true today..
Under Wanny....
Our Defensive coordinator..Jim Bates 2000 - 2004

Offensive coordinators
00 -01 Chan Gailey
02- 03 Norv Turner
04  Joel Collier,then Chris Forrester

Still to this day,we've had a change in in our Offensive coordinators through Saban and Cameron
05 Scott Linehan
06 Mike Mularkey
07 Cam Cameron

Defensive coordinators... 2005? Richard Smith,Dom Capers 06-07
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