Beck not cut

[Dphins4me]

Beck had the oppurtunity to be Miami's starting Qb this season, but he could not even beat out  journeymen Josh McCown and a 23 year old rookie...now that's Pathetic...that shows John Beck's ability right there.  He sucks.

 If Beck is gonna be a good qb, WHY aren't teams lining up to trade for him since we know he is done in Miami?  

   Yeap, some opportunity.

Why should they be lining up?  The Miami media has done a great job of writting how bad he is.  Only Miami trades for players who will be cut in time.

[Dphins4me]

Logic ? Let's really use it then. This is the NFL not pop warner football, either you produce and you move on. Even Cleo Lemon looked great compared to Beck behind the same line with the same WR's. I know I know you will say but Beck was a rookie and Lemon a veteran, but Lemon didn't have much playing time as a starter in the NFL, thats a logical fact. Since we are using logic, then I ask you what has Beck shown us to prove he is an NFL QB ? If you couldn't see the difference between Beck and Henne in the first preseason game then I would question your logic. Beck showed us he has not improved, he still looks nervous and scared with no command of leadership. At least with Henne we moved the ball, not it was true the third quarter was played by 2nd termer's but Henne did move the ball in the 2nd quarter. Logic tells me that Beck has prove to be a bust and should have never been drafted. Now we will see what Beck does from here to improve himself, but logic tells me you shouldn't hold your breath.

  Since when is the NFL a you produce or you move on?   Only in Miami do players not get time to develop.  What production did Carson Palmer have his rookie year?  I promise you Beck had more Yds, TD passes & more everything than Palmer.  Why?  Because Cincy sat on Palmer.  However, this is a produce or we move on league.  Why was Palmer granted the time to sit & do nothing if that is the type league the NFL is?

This has nothing to do with Henne.  Henne might just be a great find for Miami.  To what level Henne plays to, has no bearing on Beck other than who starts.  You want to compare Henne to Beck.  Henne's talent how great or not it is, does not mean Beck has to suck because Henne is better.  Both can be quality QB.  One does not have to suck, simply because the other is better.

I'm not seeing what you are seeing in Beck.  The way you guys talk he looked scared the whole night.  Did not see that.  Did he get nervous a time or two.  Probably, but most Qbs do. I saw Marino get nervous from time to time.

My point in this is there is no need to cut Beck.  He has not looked horrible, he is just not the instant savior Miami is for at QB.

Beck has not been around long enough to be proven a Bust.  I promise if Miami cuts him, some team will sign him & park him on the bench to learn.  Dallas would be a guess, since they do not have a Qb to develop.

[Sunstroke]

Why should they be lining up?  The Miami media has done a great job of writting how bad he is. 

C'mon now...you want me to believe that NFL GM's are going to read the local beat writers to determine their opinion on a player? Of course they don't...they watch film on a player, talk to their scouts, and make up their own mind.

In this case, they're not lining up because there isn't anything worth waiting in line for.

[Dphins4me]

You know, the "Beck has to go" camp is sure loud, but when you look at the poll on who should be cut, McCown was by far the "winner".

Yeap, they were the same ones yelling Jason Allen was a bust also.  Only in Miami is a young player suppose to set the league on fire.  Other NFL cities they develop players.  Maybe that is why Miami was 1-15 last year.

[Dphins4me]

C'mon now...you want me to believe that NFL GM's are going to read the local beat writers to determine their opinion on a player? Of course they don't...they watch film on a player, talk to their scouts, and make up their own mind.

In this case, they're not lining up because there isn't anything worth waiting in line for.

What team gets to sit in on another teams practice?  The media does.

I'm not saying they listen, but it plays a role.

No team is going to trade for Beck.  Why should they?   Miami will most likely cut him.

[Sunstroke]

What team gets to sit in on another teams practice?  The media does.

I'm not saying they listen, but it plays a role.

No team is going to trade for Beck.  Why should they?   Miami will most likely cut him.

It really doesn't play any role...at all. GMs aren't the unwashed masses that can be swayed by a beat writers opinion. That's a copout of the first order, though it seems like a solid way to prep for later using the excuse "Beck was cut because of the media." If Beck gets cut, somewhere between sooner or later, nothing but Beck's performance will have led to that move.

[StL FinFan]

I'm beginning to think some people want Beck to be cut just so they can be right.  Then, if he becomes a decent QB elsewhere, the same people will bitch and moan that he was cut.

Oh sorry, I was being logical again...

How's this?

McCown is a piece of shit and he sucks and he should be cut!!!!!!!

[simeon]

Not that this point would mean anything anyway but what games were you watching? Cleo made one play and now he looked great?  That's so far off it isn't even a reach.

Can't you read I said he looked good compared to Beck, compared to any other QB he wasn't so good.

[Rick]

I'm beginning to think some people want Beck to be cut just so they can be right.  Then, if he becomes a decent QB elsewhere, the same people will bitch and moan that he was cut.

  Beck should be cut because we want the best for our football team....he is a pansy, who will never be mentally tough enough to stand in the pocket and deliver a pass down the field....that is why he always takes sacks, throws interceptions, fumbles, or throws little checkdown passes to the rbs...he has no guts to stand in the pocket and take a hit from the defenders...Beck (who is 27 yrs old) had his chance to prove himself to the new regime and he was the same old "deer in the headlight"  turnover, sack prone quarterback....and this was in practice.....A QB must be mentally and physically tough to be successfull in the NFL....John Beck dosen't really possess either quality

[Doc-phin]

If you vote on the pole that the Sun Sentinal web site is running that asks readers to choose between keeping Beck and getting rid of him, you will find that a large majority want to keep Beck.

I guess it is because he sucks  .

I will keep this simple.  Beck has the best arm of any of the three QB's from what I have seen.  We do not have enough to go on to have any clue what kind of QB he will be.  Last year meant very very little.  He looked very good in the first preseason game if you really look at the decision making, how fast he was making his reads, the level of competition he was up against, and his accuracy and velocity.

[Spider-Dan]

Jason Allen is a bust!  Get rid of him immediately.  He had more than enough time to prove himself, and the NFL is a league where you produce today, or GTFO.  Clearly, he is a useless player, and will never improve to the level of even a decent starter.

Oh, wait...

So the question was posed earlier: why do Beck's supporters think we should keep him?  And I think the answer was pretty plainly stated: potential.  McCown has zero, Beck has non-zero.

So let's flip that same question: why should we keep McCown?  We are not going to win anything with McCown under center, and Pennington has been brought in for the mentor role.  What purpose does McCown serve?

In conclusion, I have one more challenge to all those who think that Henne should be the undisputed successor in Miami: what did Beck's training camp look like last year?

[Dphins4me]

It really doesn't play any role...at all. GMs aren't the unwashed masses that can be swayed by a beat writers opinion.

  You mean to say Jimmy Johnson did not trade Marino because he thought keeping Marino was the best move?  JJ did not move Marino because he knew the media/fans would give him down the road.

They listen.  To what extent may vary, but they listen.

Whether anyone here thinks it or not. Cam/Muellar had balls to not take Quinn.

That's a copout of the first order, though it seems like a solid way to prep for later using the excuse "Beck was cut because of the media." If Beck gets cut, somewhere between sooner or later, nothing but Beck's performance will have led to that move.

Not really.  Coaches, just media/fans have preconceived notion on players.  Majority of Miami media/fans hated Beck from the time they drafted him.  Just like Jason Allen.  They want to see him fail & they will report nothing but the bad stuff to make their reader believe the worst of him.  I find it hard to believe in all these practices, he has not done something positive. 

Henne does something bad & its an blurb in nothing but positive stuff.  Beck they report nothing but the bad.  If you actually think the Miami media is not trying to sway the public opinion, then you are fooling yourself.

Miami is shopping him, because he is not their type of QB.  When a new coach comes in the majority of the time they want the players that fit their system.  Beck does not fit their system & I think he knows it. 

[Dphins4me]

  Beck should be cut because we want the best for our football team....he is a pansy, who will never be mentally tough enough to stand in the pocket and deliver a pass down the field....

Never is a big word.

that is why he always takes sacks, throws interceptions, fumbles, or throws little checkdown passes to the rbs...he has no guts to stand in the pocket and take a hit from the defenders...

Then how is he taking all these sacks you are talking about if he is always throwing little dump off passes to the Rb.  Miami must have some fast defenders. 

One of the problems is a inexperienced Qb is holding the ball to long while waiting for something to happen & not giving up on a play.  Its a common problem.   If he didn't have the guts, then he would be chunking the ball very quickly to where defenders were not getting close to him., yet they are sacking him. 


Not making much sense here.

Beck (who is 27 yrs old) had his chance to prove himself to the new regime and he was the same old "deer in the headlight"  turnover, sack prone quarterback....and this was in practice.....A QB must be mentally and physically tough to be successfull in the NFL....John Beck dosen't really possess either quality

  You've been to how many practices, because we have not seen much of him in games.  I'd will have to admit.  I will say he had that look last year, but I fully expected it, considering what he had to work with.  Sam Gado was his running back.