Roe vs. Wade

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Next step will be for them to overturn gay marriage.   And they should.   Not because of civil rights/social justice, but because the right to decide whether or not gay marriage is legal, belongs to each individual state.   Some states voted in favor of it, and some didn't.  Then the Supreme Court trampled on the decisions of all the states when they shouldn't have. 
But they should add one caveat:   If a gay couple marries in a state where gay marriage is legal, but then moves to a state where it isn't, that state is required to recognize their marriage.

So according to you: choosing who you marry is not an individual right but the right of the government.  If the state of Virginia can ban homosexual marriages can’t they also ban interracial marriages.  Couldn’t a state also ban divorces or people from getting remarried?  Why is marriage a state right and not an individual right of the people choosing to get married? 

Understand what you are advocating decreasing individual rights for a more authoritarian form of government. 

[Spider-Dan]

Not because of civil rights/social justice, but because the right to decide whether or not gay marriage is legal, belongs to each individual state.   Some states voted in favor of it, and some didn't.

Are there any federal laws that you personally agree with (e.g. the right to own a gun) that you believe should instead be decided on a state-by-state basis?
Nobody ever seems to be in favor of "states' rights" when they agree with the federal status quo.

[masterfins]

USA is not acting like a democracy.  The vast major of Americans want abortion to be legal.  The majority of Americans want stricter gun control.

The republican platform is to raise taxes on the poorest half of Americans, lower taxes on the the ultra-wealthy and freeze the minimum wage.  Democrats want to lower taxes for the majority of Americans, raise taxes on the ultra wealthy and raise the minimum wage. Yet minimum wage earners vote republican. 

IMO 58% is not a "vast major(ity)" of Americans wanting abortion to be legal.  A majority definitely, but I would argue that a fair percentage of these Americans aren't for unlimited abortions, rather allowable abortions with certain provisions.

The Republican platform is NOT to raise taxes on the poorest half of Americans; when have they ever done that or suggested that?

There have been Democratic majorities in the House & Senate over the past 20 years, with a Democratic President, Why have they not raised the Federal minimum wage?  Why have they not passed laws to improve immigration policies?

The fact is whether Democrat or Republican they do what's best for themselves to get re-elected, that's why we need term limits.

[ArtieChokePhin]

USA is not acting like a democracy.  The vast major of Americans want abortion to be legal.  The majority of Americans want stricter gun control.  

You could not be more wrong about either.   Majority of Americans either are against abortions and the ones that are for it would change their mind if their kid wanted to do it.   Most Americans will not react well to stricter gun controls.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

IMO 58% is not a "vast major(ity)" of Americans wanting abortion to be legal.  A majority definitely, but I would argue that a fair percentage of these Americans aren't for unlimited abortions, rather allowable abortions with certain provisions.

The Republican platform is NOT to raise taxes on the poorest half of Americans; when have they ever done that or suggested that?

There have been Democratic majorities in the House & Senate over the past 20 years, with a Democratic President, Why have they not raised the Federal minimum wage?  Why have they not passed laws to improve immigration policies?

The fact is whether Democrat or Republican they do what's best for themselves to get re-elected, that's why we need term limits.

An overwhelming majority of Americans believe a women should be allowed to have an abortion to save her own life.  An overwhelming majority believe a woman should be able to have an abortion in the first trimester.  If you are polling on 2nd and third trimester abortions, then  yeah, it drops.  Soon in some states it will be a felony for a doctor to save a women’s life by aborting a fetus that has no chance of survival.  Th

All Americans should pay some income tax to have skin in the game, even if a small amount. Currently over half of Americans pay no income tax.

https://rescueamerica.com/steps/5-economy-growth/

Last time the dems had the power to overcome a Republican filibuster was when Jimmy Carter was in office.  I don’t blame dems for not passing laws the republicans filibuster.  

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

You could not be more wrong about either.   Majority of Americans either are against abortions and the ones that are for it would change their mind if their kid wanted to do it.   Most Americans will not react well to stricter gun controls.

Nope.  The only thing the majority of americans want to restrict abortionwise is late term abortion.  And that has been federal law for over a decade.

Most Americans want stricter gun control.  Closing the gun show loophole, mandatory safety training, safety locks, safe storage, banning high capacity magazines etc.  But less than a majority want the US to completely ban private gun ownership,

[Spider-Dan]

IMO 58% is not a "vast major(ity)" of Americans wanting abortion to be legal.  A majority definitely, but I would argue that a fair percentage of these Americans aren't for unlimited abortions, rather allowable abortions with certain provisions.

The position you are describing is called "pro-choice": a position which encompasses the vast majority of Americans, including a large chunk of those who refer to themselves as "pro-life" (because they don't know what that term means in a political context).  Virtually no one in America (certainly not elected politicians) is "for unlimited abortions," which has never been legal in the US anyway.

The Republican platform is NOT to raise taxes on the poorest half of Americans; when have they ever done that or suggested that?

The 2017 Trump tax cuts raise taxes on the lower-income half of Americans to pay for tax cuts on the rich.

There have been Democratic majorities in the House & Senate over the past 20 years, with a Democratic President, Why have they not raised the Federal minimum wage? Why have they not passed laws to improve immigration policies?

Notwithstanding the fact that a Democratic Congress did raise the minimum wage in 2007: since Obama's election, Republicans in the Senate have decided to filibuster nearly all Democratic bills.  This means that - with the exception of 72 working days in 2009 when Dems had a supermajority, during which they passed the ACA - a "Democratic majority" is not enough to pass any bill other than a budget resolution.

The fact is whether Democrat or Republican they do what's best for themselves to get re-elected, that's why we need term limits.

Term limits do nothing to fix this problem, as you can tell from the states that have enacted term limits.  Term limits only give more power to lobbyists.

[CF DolFan]

Honestly ... you people need to get out and mingle with some republicans and you'll find all these MSNBC/CNN talking points you guys are spewing is BS. All talking points are eggagerated truths to drumb up viewers. Most of us have more in common than we do what separates us but that doesn't sell.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Honestly ... you people need to get out and mingle with some republicans and you'll find all these MSNBC/CNN talking points you guys are spewing is BS. All talking points are eggagerated truths to drumb up viewers. Most of us have more in common than we do what separates us but that doesn't sell.

I still mingle with Republicans that want their party back from the crazies.  But many of them are actually more aligned with Libertarian thought.  Right on economic policy left on social policy such as abortion, gay marriage.  But I no longer have social relationship with the “my pillow “ faction of the republican party.  In many cases it was them not me that ended the relationship, but I am not really interested in haven’t a conversation with some who claims Atifia was  behind Jan 6, that covid vaccines contain microchips, that Trump won the election or that Hillary Clinton is behind a kidnapping ring and drinks childrens blood.  (okay only 1 of them claimed that one, and that friendship was terminated by me back in 2016). But seriously if you still support Trump after Jan 6 I don’t want to hang with you.

[Spider-Dan]

Honestly ... you people need to get out and mingle with some republicans and you'll find all these MSNBC/CNN talking points you guys are spewing is BS. All talking points are eggagerated truths to drumb up viewers. Most of us have more in common than we do what separates us but that doesn't sell.

It is bizarre to hear stuff like "Most of us have more in common than we do what separates us" and complaints about exaggerated media talking points being used to rile up viewers from the same guy who regularly links articles from the Daily Mail with titles such as I get paid to be homeless, It pays not to work in Biden's America, Murder rates soar dramatically in cities after BLM protests, and 108 illegals from Mexico tested positive for 'rona before being released into TX.

I mean, if you want to bash liberals, do your thing.  But please spare us the hollow whining about being unfairly demonized, when your team likes to call everyone on the opposite side of the aisle pedophiles grooming kids.

[CF DolFan]

It is bizarre to hear stuff like "Most of us have more in common than we do what separates us" and complaints about exaggerated media talking points being used to rile up viewers from the same guy who regularly links articles from the Daily Mail with titles such as I get paid to be homeless, It pays not to work in Biden's America, Murder rates soar dramatically in cities after BLM protests, and 108 illegals from Mexico tested positive for 'rona before being released into TX.

I mean, if you want to bash liberals, do your thing.  But please spare us the hollow whining about being unfairly demonized, when your team likes to call everyone on the opposite side of the aisle pedophiles grooming kids.

It's more th4e fact you guys come off as having never met a Republican. All you have met is some very rich, extremist racist white guy who gets off on beating up poor people. That's pretty much like me equating liberals as people who are wanting to get pregnant just so they can abort at 9 months. They are out there but at least I realize it isn't the norm. Kind of why I still deal with you guys after all these years. There's got to be more to you than your extreme views you share in here.   

[Dave Gray]

There's got to be more to you than your extreme views you share in here.   

I'm not trying to start a fight -- being genuine here.  But do I fall into this, to you?

I'm just curious as to what views I have that you might think are extreme.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

My extremist views:

Women should have bodily autonomy.

Gays should have equal rights.

Minorities should have equal rights.

Universal healthcare care access that exists in every other developed country should also be in the USA.

Women who give birth should get leave to recover just like almost every other country.

Guns should not be prevalent.  Like in most other countries.

Because I reject the idea that “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.” Translates to “Build the wall”

Because I reject the idea And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” Translates to “food stamps is evil”

Police should not be above the law but should serve and protect.

That slavery and segregation had effects that are still prevalent.

[Spider-Dan]

I'm just curious as to what views I have that you might think are extreme.

If I'm not mistaken, supporting the status quo in the rest of the western world - universal healthcare, a working safety net, access to high-capacity semi-automatic rifles limited to well-regulated professionals, schoolteachers talking to students about the existence of homosexual and/or transgender people - marks you as an extremist to the American right.

I am doubtful that CF can name any "extreme views we share in here" that are not already the status quo in the radical leftist enclave known as Canada.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

This may be the most interesting intersections of college football and the S.Ct.  I have ever heard. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZtiYGQcbWI