Trump might be losing even his most diehard supportes.

[Sibster]

Again, you are supposed to get a "sentence" after a trial, where the prosecution has the burden of convincing a jury that 1) you are a gang member and 2) you committed this crime.

But if the government - the same government you claim you need guns to potentially overthrow - simply declares that you are a Gang Member, suddenly all that goes out the window and it's directly to prison!

Apparently you aren't bright enough to read what I'm saying.   I'm talking about AFTER said trial and conviction, a validated gang member gets a harsher sentence.   You don't like it?  Don't join a gang.

[Spider-Dan]

Apparently you aren't bright enough to understand that the criticism we are making is that there isn't any "trial" or "conviction."  The government simply declares you to be a Gang Member (because you have an Air Jordan tattoo or something similarly absurd), snatches you up when you're dropping off your kids at school, and before your family can hire a lawyer to try to defend you, they rush you on to the next plane to El Salvador where you are thrown into a dungeon.

[Sibster]

Apparently you aren't bright enough to understand that the criticism we are making is that there isn't any "trial" or "conviction."  The government simply declares you to be a Gang Member (because you have an Air Jordan tattoo or something similarly absurd), snatches you up when you're dropping off your kids at school, and before your family can hire a lawyer to try to defend you, they rush you on to the next plane to El Salvador where you are thrown into a dungeon.

That's not what I was referring to.   I'm talking about you being arrested for a serious crime.   While you're strip searched at booking, they notice gang tattoos on you.   They also look at your history and see you have a few priors for gang related offenses and they know you have been associating with other known gang members.  That's how you get validated.

Now where you're getting the idea that you get deported for that is beyond me.   But you most certainly will get a lengthier jail sentence for the crime than someone who committed the offense for the first time and doesn't have any gang tattoos.

[Spider-Dan]

That's not what I was referring to.   I'm talking about you being arrested for a serious crime.   While you're strip searched at booking, they notice gang tattoos on you.   They also look at your history and see you have a few priors for gang related offenses and they know you have been associating with other known gang members.  That's how you get validated.

That STILL is not a "trial" or "conviction"!

Now where you're getting the idea that you get deported for that is beyond me.

It is what we have been talking about this whole time!

[Pappy13]

This always makes me laugh. People are literally dying to get here but you are so entitled you pretend we are bad. One of my latest "hobby's" has been following Europeans that move here on Social Media. They are constantly pointing out how much better it is here and fallacies to the stereotypes they had grown up hearing. Unfortunately many of us don't appreciate what we have because we've always had it.

Yeah, people from 3rd world countries are dieing to get here, that doesn't mean we are representing ourselves well. We once were the envy of most countries, not so much anymore. People are starting to head for Canada now over the US. I guess you're proud of that? I'm not. Actually you have it backwards, I did appreciate what I had and now I'm seeing a bad leader tear a lot of the things that I was proud of down in the name of progress. It's not progress, it's setting us back 60 years...apparently when we were great? I don't have to go back that far, the US was great as little as 10 years ago, things have been going downhill since then in my humble opinion. But I do hold out hope that things will turn around again and we'll get over this bad period for the US and things will start heading in the right direction again. It's not fun to go through it though.

[CF DolFan]

I actually am happy when people "don't come here". As a 5th generation Floridian I can tell you many natives feel the same way about our state. The perception in England and the reality are very far apart.  It's really hard to find a better country to live in regardless of who is in control. Sorry to see you're so entitled you can't see that.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It is not entitlement it is jealousy.  My family lives in this country,I know the language so I stay.  And there are certainly worse countries to live in, most of Africa,  Central and South America and about half of Asia.  But almost all of Europe, Canada, about half of Asia and a few countries in South and Central America are better than the USA, some significantly better.  Free or adorable college, healthcare, worker rights, public transport, wages, time off, safer, more democratic, higher food standards etc.

[Spider-Dan]

I actually am happy when people "don't come here". As a 5th generation Floridian I can tell you many natives feel the same way about our state.

How do you feel about the people on the right warning of an imminent demographic collapse in this country because there aren't enough babies being born here?  That seems at odds with the "Fuck off, we're full" mentality.

[CF DolFan]

How do you feel about the people on the right warning of an imminent demographic collapse in this country because there aren't enough babies being born here?  That seems at odds with the "Fuck off, we're full" mentality.

Isn't that just Elon? While I'm sure there are some who say that, I wouldn't say that's a Republican view. The closest you could come to that view is not wanting abortions to happen.

[Dave Gray]

Isn't that just Elon? While I'm sure there are some who say that, I wouldn't say that's a Republican view.

I don't really know what the Republicans, as a party, stand for anymore.  But concern for decrease in birthrate is most definitely a rallying cry from the right.

[Spider-Dan]

Isn't that just Elon? While I'm sure there are some who say that, I wouldn't say that's a Republican view. The closest you could come to that view is not wanting abortions to happen.

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[Sibster]

But almost all of Europe, Canada, about half of Asia and a few countries in South and Central America are better than the USA, some significantly better.  Free or adorable college, healthcare, worker rights, public transport, wages, time off, safer, more democratic, higher food standards etc.

And an average 65% federal income tax compared to 10%-37% here in the United States.   All that "free" stuff you mentioned ain't free.  Somebody's gotta pay for it.   If you have a job and are earning money in those countries, that somebody is YOU.

[Pappy13]

It's really hard to find a better country to live in regardless of who is in control.

I used to feel that way, lately not so much. Some really bad things going on in the US right now, so much so that other countries are telling their folks not to come here, even to visit. That's pretty telling. The US is hosting the World Cup next year and there's speculation that some players/countries won't attend based on what's happening in the US right now. Lot of soccer players that play professionally here in the US from other countries are being told not to fly home because there's a good possibility they won't be able to return. This was unheard of even 10 years ago outside of Russia.

Sorry to see you're so entitled you can't see that.

I'm not sure what about that makes you feel like I'm entitled.