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[Sunstroke]

And you have.  Well done. 

Bravo, sir!  Never have the words "well done" been done so well...

[Sibster]

I have to ask, if any other group of people were responsible for 76,500 American deaths in one year would you not want them eradicated? Personally, I think all drug dealers are terrorists if they are dealing things like opioids and crack. They are killing people.

Especially if they lace those drugs with fentanyl. 

[Spider-Dan]

I have to ask, if any other group of people were responsible for 76,500 American deaths in one year would you not want them eradicated? Personally, I think all drug dealers are terrorists if they are dealing things like opioids and crack. They are killing people.

So if people killing themselves with drug overdoses justifies illegal murder of random people on boats, as well as international war, huge tariffs, and anything else Donald Trump pleases, then surely 27,000 deaths from gun suicide justifies drastic lethal action against gun manufacturers and resellers.

[CF DolFan]

So if people killing themselves with drug overdoses justifies illegal murder of random people on boats, as well as international war, huge tariffs, and anything else Donald Trump pleases, then surely 27,000 deaths from gun suicide justifies drastic lethal action against gun manufacturers and resellers.

Makes zero sense... as usual. Can't compare to legally purchase items by people who developed mental illnees to the illegal drug trade. Besides ... we'd have to go after all the automakers and take all autos off the road due to the number of DUI and other traffic related deaths if we were being held to that standard. 

[Spider-Dan]

Can't compare to legally purchase items by people who developed mental illnees to the illegal drug trade.

In other words, if we decriminalize drugs, then the federal government can care as little (and do as little) about deaths from drug overdoses as they currently do about gun suicides.  A win for the taxpayer, I suppose.

Besides ... we'd have to go after all the automakers and take all autos off the road due to the number of DUI and other traffic related deaths if we were being held to that standard.

Among the many flaws with that comparison, the most immediate is that there aren't tens of thousands of people killing just themselves (and not others) with cars every year.

[CF DolFan]

Among the many flaws with that comparison, the most immediate is that there aren't tens of thousands of people killing just themselves (and not others) with cars every year.

No, but many innocent people are killed by drunk drivers every year or criminals fleeing from arrest. Botrh of these are "choices" they make with their autos much like the suicide victims. Besides, it isn't like there aren't numerous other ways to off oneself. The only thing creating the sucide is mental illness. The gun is just a tool that was used.

[Spider-Dan]

Again, you see people killing themselves with guns as a non-issue that we should take no meaningful action to curtail, yet people killing themselves with drugs apparently justifies the government committing multiple crimes.

[CF DolFan]

Again, you see people killing themselves with guns as a non-issue that we should take no meaningful action to curtail,

No, I just don't see your idea as a way to curb people from killing themsleves. It's a mental health issue. I've been there myself (It's how I found Jesus) and also have lost two people who I'm close with that chose to do it. Neither used a gun nor did they display any signs they were headed in that direction. In fact, two of the most positive guys I knew. One litterally just had asked me for a raise (that I said yes too) and informed me of their plans to advance the program he headed as director. He was very excited as to the future. A week later he checked himself into a local hotel and slit his wrists while his wife thought he was a doctors appt. The other was bouncing back from a divorce and had established a relationship with his first love. She went to meet him at his house and found him hanging in the garage. Taking guns from innocent people won't change that any more than making drugs illegal stopped people from getting them. I can't fopr the life of me undersatnd how any rationale person buys into that theory. Criminals don't follow laws and if people want to cause destruction they typically do one way or the other.

[Spider-Dan]

No, I just don't see your idea as a way to curb people from killing themsleves. It's a mental health issue.

I repeat: you see it as an issue that we should take no meaningful action to curtail.  Your only solution to gun violence suicides is Thoughts & Prayers.

Taking guns from innocent people won't change that any more than making drugs illegal stopped people from getting them. I can't fopr the life of me undersatnd how any rationale person buys into that theory. Criminals don't follow laws and if people want to cause destruction they typically do one way or the other.

It is ironic that you are arguing "Criminalizing guns won't work any better than criminalizing drugs" at the same time you not only support the criminalization of drugs, you endorse our government committing crimes to enforce such criminalization.