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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2008, 08:58:57 am »



Fact Number 3
:  I agree with Warren Sapp. The NFL IS a slave system and we are too blind to see it. I'm talking about for all athletes, black and white. You don't have many owners who care about the players. Parcells caring about players is the biggest crock that I've ever heard of. He cares about them from the standpoint of using them until they can't do anything anymore and discards them.

Look at the NFL combine, they measure the size of a players tendon, examine their anatomy, strip them naked and prod and poke them like animals. Do most of you realized that this kind of inspection happened when slaves were being traded? The only difference is that the auction block is replaced by the draft board.

And again, none of this measures the heart and desire of a player. If that was the case, Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas would have been first round picks.



I take exception with your comparison between consent adults choosing to participate in the combine, knowing full well that they will measured and evaluated with the possibility of being offered millions of dollars to play a child's game and one of the two most horrible atrocities committed by this country (the other being genocide of the indigous peoples)

Slaves did not elect to be auctioned.  One must fill out paperwork to be drafted.

Slaves did not get to keep the money paid at auction, their kidnappers did.  Football players are paid quite nicely.

Football players can retire at any time, slaves worked until their death.  Football players have a great health care system, slaves had none.  Slaves did not get paid, football players are very rich.  No football player has starved to death.  No football player has died on the bus or plane ride to the combine.  An untold number of slaves died during the middle passage. 

There may be flaws in the CBA.  But to compare slavery to football is down right lunacy.  It trivializes a significant and horrible period in our history.   
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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2008, 09:14:32 am »


Fact Number 3
:  I agree with Warren Sapp. The NFL IS a slave system and we are too blind to see it. I'm talking about for all athletes, black and white. You don't have many owners who care about the players. Parcells caring about players is the biggest crock that I've ever heard of. He cares about them from the standpoint of using them until they can't do anything anymore and discards them.

Look at the NFL combine, they measure the size of a players tendon, examine their anatomy, strip them naked and prod and poke them like animals. Do most of you realized that this kind of inspection happened when slaves were being traded? The only difference is that the auction block is replaced by the draft board.
I totally agree.  The similarities are too numerous to count.  For example, slaves breathed air and *gasp* NFL players breath air.  Slaves drank water and *gasp* NFL players drink water.  SHOCKING!!!

 Roll Eyes

Warren Sapp is, has always been, and will always be, an idiot.  The media loves him because he can't shut his pie hole and there's not a lot of intelligent thought behind what comes out of it.  What a blatant misuse of the word "slave".  Way to cheapen and diminish the attrocities of slavery.  What was he smoking when he came up that analogy?

The players CHOOSE to participate and can choose to stop participating at any time. 

The median salary last season was roughly $770,000.  The average (mean) was $1.4 million.
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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2008, 09:19:00 am »

The NFL is a SLAVE system. There are very few guys making any type of money at all and their "contracts" are subject to be terminated.
The minimum salary for a rookie is $285,000.
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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2008, 09:22:13 am »

newsflash, the dolphins were 1-15 last year. not a very good TEAM. 1 lousy win in the nfl over 16 games is an indication of some very deep rooted TEAM problems. the OTA workouts are the first chance in trying to rebuild this dolphins TEAM from the ground up. veteran TEAM leaders, should be there in the trenches helping to rebuild this TEAM.

was watching old films on nfl network about biggest comebacks... they had shula when he first came to the fins, running offseason practice. you could see shula instilling piece by piece his character in every drill, exercise, etc... that the players were running. he had to transform every bit of pre-wiring of the old loser dolphins to a champion mentality.

this isn't about a single player being in shape or not. this is about transforming a TEAM that has suddenly become used to losing, into one that learns to win as a TEAM. jt isn't interested in that, so good luck in your new career acting.
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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2008, 09:23:03 am »

If the majority of owners weren't white would anyone make the slavery analogy?  I doubt it.
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2008, 09:31:43 am »

The minimum salary for a rookie is $285,000.

Sign me up.  They can poke, prod and do whatever else they want to me for that kind of cake.
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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2008, 09:58:52 am »

I really do not care.  Its May.  Come see me in Aug. & I still will not care.  Someone will be lining up play LDE or OLB for Miami.

Taylor is the last link to a losing heritage in Miami.  Frankly I'd like to see a new era start & the only way is to rid yourself of links to old ones..

 Nothing personal against Taylor, I like him & this stuff changes nothing.  Its a business move by him, just as Miami cut Zach as a business move. 
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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2008, 01:38:41 pm »

I take exception with your comparison between consent adults choosing to participate in the combine, knowing full well that they will measured and evaluated with the possibility of being offered millions of dollars to play a child's game and one of the two most horrible atrocities committed by this country (the other being genocide of the indigous peoples)

Slaves did not elect to be auctioned.  One must fill out paperwork to be drafted.

Slaves did not get to keep the money paid at auction, their kidnappers did.  Football players are paid quite nicely.

Football players can retire at any time, slaves worked until their death.  Football players have a great health care system, slaves had none.  Slaves did not get paid, football players are very rich.  No football player has starved to death.  No football player has died on the bus or plane ride to the combine.  An untold number of slaves died during the middle passage. 

There may be flaws in the CBA.  But to compare slavery to football is down right lunacy.  It trivializes a significant and horrible period in our history.   

How can you trivialize something when it still exists but exist in a different form? The only difference is that it's psychological and includes EVERYBODY. What the hell do you mean no comparison? It is what it is.

Believe it or not, even your average "White man" has to deal with bullshit in the form of psychological control from different angles, hence the term "Angry White Man".

I know several NFL players that object to the way players really are treated. LIKE DAMN OBJECTS! Listen to some of the comments on this board. Damn what Jason Taylor does off the field, just have your ass on the field. No insight or other angles included. No regard for what the guy has done for 11 years through some horrible regimes and if it appears that he says something controversial, he's OUT OF LINE.

The guys handsome, has talent and is pursuing other avenues. In other words, he's  is out of his place and it's a valid point and you know it. 11 years of training camps, playing hurt (getting shot up with drugs to play regardless of whether you think players have a say so or not), dealing with crappy coaches and a crappy owner and he's looking at life after football and the "regime" is playing hardball? He requested a trade right after the season and the "regime" is holding him and that's not slavery to you? They half-assed made an attempt to deal him? He could have been dealt by now with many teams needing an impact defensive end.

How would you like to have somebody poke, prod and psychologically manipulate you and when does money deem that you're not a slave? I know rich people who are in more bondage than a homeless person. Let me ask you something, what do you think the NFL combine is for?

And basically, you don't know a damn thing about slavery other than what the US History books told you. Let me give it to you as an AFRICAN-AMERICAN. This shit is in a different form still exists today. It exist in sports and in corporations all over America but this is psychological and spiritual not physical. This damn country hasn't changed a bit. The only difference is that it touches all, black or white.

That's the problem with this country. People think that the amount of money that you make equals success.
You're telling me that the NFL in some parts doesn't resemble a slave system? What about these guys that pioneered the game that can't get benefits from the NFL now. Some are living on the streets because their pension didn't cover things. You could say that some squandered their money, fine but most didn't have an adequate pension and did go back into the workforce. You've got Hall Of Famers like John Mackey suffering from dementia, on and on, theres a list one hundred miles long.

Now you have a multi-billion corporation that can't look back and provide former players a good pension plan but built the league on their backs and thats' not slavery? What the fuck is slavery to you then? When a person is JUST in physical bondage? You wouldn't have a god damn clue because the establishment in America always wants to sweep this shit under the rug.

What do you call a damn NFL draft? It's close to an AUCTION! What do they based the draft on. A players physical presence and skills. Same slave system and players ultimately lose in the end. Only a small percentage go on to productive lives and the ones that don't, it's not always from drugs.

And for your fucking history, coming from an African-American, not all African-Americans WERE slaves. The numbers have been inflated. Only 2% of African-Americans can trace their lineage to Africa. The rest were either here or migrated from the islands. That number was inflated to overwhelm African-Americans and of course White historians wrote that. The first Transatlantic railroad was pioneered by a black man. Miami wouldn't exist without a woman named Julia Tuttle.

And there were white slaves too. Black slave owners too that were actually worse that white plantation owners.

So don't give me this bullshit about the comparison is asinine. If you don't own it, then you're subject to it. Millions of people in this country are "psychological" slaves to some kind of system.

We have a saying in music publishing. If you don't own the masters (your original music) the master owns you!

Notice I said "black and white" not just black and I'm not a Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton fan. And also, one of the problems with most Americans is that you don't want to rectify shit! Sweep stuff under the rug when it's never been properly dealt with not from a standpoint of confrontation but from a standpoint of dialogue.

Okay, up in New England. As long as Randy Moss catches touchdown passes and as long as Tom Brady throws them, their okay because they are seen as "objects". Let something happen between Brady and Moss dealing with management and see how fast the fans turn on them and discard them like trash. You can ask Tony Eason about that.

And then for African-Americans, sports and entertainment is the ONLY way out and don't give me that bullshit about "Affirmative Distraction". A minorities and women still have a glass ceiling in the corporate world and a black man still has a hard time climbing the ladder and if they get in positions of prestige, they basically must give up who they are to "fit in" instead of being themselves. This is coming from an AFRICAN-AMERICAN who had to work with 82 people and only 3 white guys and I wouldn't play fucking golf with them. I had an attitude problem being me.

A basically, IT"S EVERYBODYS FAULT THAT THE SYSTEM IS THE WAY IT IS. BLACK, WHITE, MEXICAN. EVERYONE'S FAULT.

And people jump on Ricky Williams because "he's different" and he doesn't "say the right things like a football player". Williams may have a problem with weed but he's smart as hell. His problem was trying to seperate himself from the "system" and deal with the system at the same time. As long as Williams was that machine busting out 50 yard runs, people were in love with him, couldn't get enough of him. As soon as he was trying to save himself from a dumb ass coach (Wannstedt) and try to find himself, he became a dope head, a malconent (I've actually read on this site and others Williams being compared with Chris Henry?) and a fool. The message was, "you're and object making millions! You're stupid! Get your black ass back out there and run the ball! Damn your mental problem and your struggles. Your ass in supposed to be out there scoring touchdowns and trying to find a hole where there isn't one! Not many people saw past that and saw a man struggling.

And you might want to read Jim Browns' biography and North Dallas Forty by Peter Gent as well as some articles by Dr. Harry Edwards, the psychologist for the San Francisco 49ers talking about this stuff in sports.
Money does not make the individual. An individuals spirit does and that's what's wrong with this country. The vice (money and the American Dream) is what comes back to choke it.

It is what it is. There is still a slave system in many parts of American society. The only difference is that it's psychological. Talk to any NFL player and they will tell you that.
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2008, 01:57:57 pm »

Ethurst you've fallen off the deep end......You're trying to use  Jason Taylor to get on a soap box.....

Ohh yeah,and Jason Taylor,and the NFl are why we invaded Iraq....

One last thing,... You keep bringing up being poked and prodedd..Apparently you've never had to take a DOT physical...They poke and prod you,and make you do all kinds of tests....to make $10 an hour...it's part of the job....
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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2008, 02:18:45 pm »

Ethurst you've fallen off the deep end......You're trying to use  Jason Taylor to get on a soap box.....

Ohh yeah,and Jason Taylor,and the NFl are why we invaded Iraq....

One last thing,... You keep bringing up being poked and prodedd..Apparently you've never had to take a DOT physical...They poke and prod you,and make you do all kinds of tests....to make $10 an hour...it's part of the job....

Lil B, I haven't used Jason Taylor as a soap box and I said nothing about Iraq. Ric Flair is why we are Iraq.

No, I haven't fallen off the deep end at all. It's the truth. I hate to derail this thread but it's like the deal with the Dolphins. People complained about the coaches and the team when I had always said that it's Waynes' screwed version of what happens at the top. As he was building Waynes World, the team was getting worse and fans basically blamed the players and the coaches when leadership starts at the top.

Talk to any NFL player about what goes on behind the scenes and the key is "behind the scenes" and you'll get a different view of Pro Football.

The key is "behind the scenes".

This Jason Taylor situation has been handled wrong by this Dolphins Adminstration. A guy made a point today. Had it been Cam/Mueller, we'd be marching on Davie to get rid of them.
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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2008, 02:21:40 pm »

And I apologize for derailing the thread and for my language in one of the posts. No offense to Hoodie and the rest of the guys, I love you guys, I just see a travesty and injustice in this whole NFL concept of treating any player black or white less than a human being.

Yes, players do have choices and they do make money but there is always a human side that you have to consider.
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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2008, 02:38:20 pm »

Yeah Ethurst it's so bad all the great players are running to Canada,and the Arena football league...to play for next to nothing.... Roll Eyes

If it's so bad..Quit,there will be 20 guy's right there to replace you.....I think I'm going to head to the Ladders right now,and see if I can get one of those jobs that pays me 8 million ayear....
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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2008, 02:54:49 pm »

oh im sooo mistreated, woe is me, my coaches, they just ignore me... sniff, sniff...

dude just do us all a favor and retire already, not going to miss you in the slightest bit. you either play out your contract with the fins or retire to a life acting in b level bollywood films.
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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2008, 02:56:49 pm »

Yeah Ethurst it's so bad all the great players are running to Canada,and the Arena football league...to play for next to nothing.... Roll Eyes

If it's so bad..Quit,there will be 20 guy's right there to replace you.....I think I'm going to head to the Ladders right now,and see if I can get one of those jobs that pays me 8 million ayear....

I had another post but I didn't want to prolong this thing.

Call me Lil B and I'll be your agent! I'll make sure that you get top dollar in Canada or the Arena Football League.

And look, I'll invest your money in war bonds since the US is still hell bend on finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and dealing with "insurgents". And then, we'll buy the Dolphins and show people how the team should be ran with the fans in mind and we'll have a post career development program for players.

This is what made Don Shula a great coach. Instead of discarding players after their playing days, he still checks up on them and encourage certain programs they can get into.

I wonder if most of these people, if they were living back in 74, would have thought about Csonka, Kiick and Warfield jumping to the WFL while they were under contract with the Dolphins. Joe Robbie couldn't pay Csonka, Kiick and Warfield so they made a deal that 74 would be the last year and then they could go to the WFL.

Shula didn't object and the players didn't object. There was no tension that year because management and players understood that Csonka, Kiick and Warfield were being rewarded for their excellence on the field.

Not in todays' world. They would have been considered turncoats.
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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2008, 03:02:24 pm »

I agree with your arguement..for the old guys,the Guy's that had jobs in the offeseason..But today's players..I have no sympathy for what so ever.....

Total hijack....
I'm too small now,to play...and the bad knees.... Cry
6' and change 215lbs....(and shrinking)

I also think you'd have to get behind Stroke who called me to be my agent a couple of years ago,along with my Art dealer if I ever get famous....

Total hijack....here..I had a coach tell me once.."Son, if you had any semblance of speed what so ever...I'd make you a slow WR...."

End Hijack....
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