Bill Parcells vs. Jason Taylor

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Yeah Ethurst it's so bad all the great players are running to Canada,and the Arena football league...to play for next to nothing....

Ethrust might me onto something, another similarity between slavery and the NFL.  Slaves use to run to Canada to escape the shackles of slavery, just like modern day NFL players. 

Where is Harriot Tutman and the underground railroad when she is needed for this gross injustice of human dignity?

 

[ethurst2]

If the majority of owners weren't white would anyone make the slavery analogy?  I doubt it.

Good Gawd as James Brown would say, how could I miss this? Run_to_win, you're hitting below the belt!

Lets not get into the "ownership" issue. The NFL has long kept certain people out of the ownership ranks even some white ownership groups. There are special unwritten codes to be an NFL Owner that even excludes ownership groups that could be all-white, female owners (with respect to the late Georgia Frontiere) and black ownership groups. The NFL ownership group is a strict elitist group in which you almost have to take a blood oath to get in. People pick at Al Davis but read your history on the AFL-NFL dealings and you'll see what I'm talking about.

And the only reason that Frontiere was handed over the ownership was because her husband, Carroll Rosenbloom was mysteriously "killed" in Golden Beach, Florida. He was a mover and shaker in the NFL but he also was notorious from dealing with mobsters, especially Meyer Lansky.

So the ownership thing isn't about color, it's about elitism. You can have money and not have an elitist attitude. If you had all black owners, you'd probably have the same problem because it's a mindset not based on color.

[ethurst2]

Ethrust might me onto something, another similarity between slavery and the NFL.  Slaves use to run to Canada to escape the shackles of slavery, just like modern day NFL players. 

Where is Harriot Tutman and the underground railroad when she is needed for this gross injustice of human dignity?

 

I'm glad that you are on the board and I didn't mean my response to you as a personal attack. That's just my angle on things.

Let's have a beer together 9:00PM your time...7:00PM my time! 

And yes, jason taylor is the reason why we are in Iraq. I just got it from CNN!

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm glad that you are on the board and I didn't mean my response to you as a personal attack. That's just my angle on things.

Let's have a beer together 9:00PM your time...7:00PM my time! 

And yes, jason taylor is the reason why we are in Iraq. I just got it from CNN!

It all good. 

I support Taylor in this dispute.  The owners do have too much power.  And I am a supporter of the Rooney rule.  I do realize racism still exists in almost every area of society including the NFL. And I oppose the war.  So we agree on a lot.  But your comparison between slavery and the CBA is beyond lunacy.   

[run_to_win]

As your rant was circling in the bowl I managed to find this gem...

And for your fucking history, coming from an African-American, not all African-Americans WERE slaves. The numbers have been inflated. Only 2% of African-Americans can trace their lineage to Africa.

In your opinion, assuming for moment that the statement is accurate, what does it mean that only 2% can trace their lineage back to Africa?  Is that the other 98% can't trace their roots, or that their roots don't lead to Africa?  Does the statement assume that all of those who can have roots in slavery? 

My understanding is that a bit less than 50% can trace their lineage back to slavery, but a majority come from Africa.

Again, whether you believe in evolution or creation, all our roots trace back to the same place.  If it's evolution then don't we all have African roots?

That number was inflated to overwhelm African-Americans and of course White historians wrote that.

To what end?  Was it intended to be a form of psychological terrorism? 

The first Transatlantic railroad was pioneered by a black man.

Is his race the most important thing about him?  What was his name?  Why not describe him as a great man who happened to be black.

This reminds me of a roommate I had during one enlightening semester of college.  He wasn't really a roommate, he was a friend of my roommates.  His "baby's momma" had kicked his cheating butt out of her place.  He visioned himself quite the ladies man and often tried to teach me the finer points of "pimping the 'hos".  His "trump card" in every conversation about race was, "WHO INVENTED THE STOPLIGHT?!!!  WHO INVENTED THE STOPLIGHT?!!!"  It was a bewildering "where the hell did that come from" tangent.   The response was usually "Who?" accompanied by a shrug.  His answer was classic.  "I DON'T KNOW BUT HE WAS BLACK!!!"  Without even realizing it, my roommate had stripped away Garrett Morgan's life and identity and defined his entire existence by the color of his skin.   

Miami wouldn't exist without a woman named Julia Tuttle.

Speaking of 'bewildering where the hell did that come from" tangents...

Julia Tuttle.

[StL FinFan]

Transatlantic railroad?  A railroad across the Atlantic? 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

My understanding is that a bit less than 50% can trace their lineage back to slavery, but a majority come from Africa.

This is going to sound racist, but it is the truth. 

One of sad realities of the African-American community is in way too many cases, they can't trace their lineage back to dad. 

[Guru-In-Vegas]

^ Not racist, but retarded.

[IowaDolfan]

 This whole topic makes me SAD!!!!
 I am torn between my Love for the Dolphins and my great admiration for Jason and my hope and dream of Bill being able to turn this team around I would like nothing better then for the two of them to just get along no need to be friends but get along well enough to win some games together.
 But if forced to choose a side you have to go with Bill he is looking out for the team and I'm afraid Jason isn't and I was a Fan Before Jason and I will be a Fan when he is in Hollywood and Miami is a distant memory to him.
 The only thing to even come close to making me feel this bad is hearing that Zach would not be finishing his career in Miami

[YoFuggedaboutit]

^^^^^

Welcome to the boards Iowa Dolfan.  I believe you're our first fan from that state. 

[Sunstroke]

I'll add a welcome to IowaDolfan as well, and add a personal Iowa quirk before getting back on topic. When it comes to Iowa, here are three true statements that lead to an improbable, yet true, fourth statement...

1) I've never worn a tuxedo outside of being an active participant in a wedding.
2) I've never been married.
3) I've never lived in the state of Iowa
and...
4) I've worn a tuxedo in Iowa 5 times


OK, -oomph- back on track...

I have a hard time siding with Jason in this situation, and feel like the "owners have too much power" argument that I'm hearing from several folks, while possibly true, should have no bearing on this case. Jason is under contract to the Miami Dolphins. It is a contract that has allowed him to earn millions upon millions of dollars, and one that has provided Jason the opportunity to gain the level of celebrity that he has, which in turn has opened up a whole new second career option for him.

I think Miami should work the phones overtime to get a deal made to respect Jason's wishes to be traded to a contender. "Last shot at a ring" is one of the few concessions I can see granting to multi-millionaire athletes with real-world perspective issues. Until that trade gets done though, Jason needs to get his ass to camp and honor the contract, and the team, that has given him so much.

[Spider-Dan]

I have a hard time siding with Jason in this situation, and feel like the "owners have too much power" argument that I'm hearing from several folks, while possibly true, should have no bearing on this case. Jason is under contract to the Miami Dolphins. It is a contract that has allowed him to earn millions upon millions of dollars, and one that has provided Jason the opportunity to gain the level of celebrity that he has, which in turn has opened up a whole new second career option for him.

I think Miami should work the phones overtime to get a deal made to respect Jason's wishes to be traded to a contender. "Last shot at a ring" is one of the few concessions I can see granting to multi-millionaire athletes with real-world perspective issues. Until that trade gets done though, Jason needs to get his ass to camp and honor the contract, and the team, that has given him so much.

Again, I ask why, for players, "honoring the contract" means coming into camp (even when the option to hold out is part of their contract), yet management is not chastised for failing to "honor the contract" when they cut a player.

[Sunstroke]

Again, I ask why, for players, "honoring the contract" means coming into camp (even when the option to hold out is part of their contract), yet management is not chastised for failing to "honor the contract" when they cut a player.

Because that was the contract that the player and his agent agreed to. Those last two words are really critical to this point...

"Agreed to"

If the player wants a contract where everything is guaranteed and where a team doesn't have the ability to terminate that contract, the player should have his agent negotiate that in. If you sign a contract, you honor the contract.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Because that was the contract that the player and his agent agreed to. Those last two words are really critical to this point...

"Agreed to"

If the player wants a contract where everything is guaranteed and where a team doesn't have the ability to terminate that contract, the player should have his agent negotiate that in. If you sign a contract, you honor the contract.

Jason's contract doesn't say he has to come to a voluntary OTA. 

Nor does Jason's contract say he has to play this year.   He agreed not to play for another team unless the Dolphins cut or trade him.  But he did not agree to forgo retirement until the end date of the contract. 

[dolfan13]

this isn't a contract dispute... this is simply jason taylor not wanting to be a part of a rebuilding team. that's fine, only problem is that his rights belong to the dolphins, so his only other option is to retire. so for jason its simple, either retire or commit to a rebuilding process with the dolphins.