Bill Parcells vs. Jason Taylor

[bsfins]

It's called the salary cap,that's why his Salary is important..He's one of our top 5 highest payed players on OUR TEAM...And by the way...One of the reason we are having a hard time trading him is His large Salary....and you continue to wag your finger at everyone that disagrees with you..but you seem to be the only One whining about it.....

You're not holding my feet to shit,cause I don't care if you're offended,or disgusted....

[Spider-Dan]

So now it's all about the salary cap?

Ok, Since it's looking more,and more like Jake Long OL is going to be our first over all pick in the draft this weekend.I think alot of people thought,Trade Jason Taylor for what ever we can get out of him,we'll draft Chris Long or Vernon Gholston to replace him.

I said on TDMMC Saturday night (probably didn't come out right) that I didn't think that either could replace Jason Taylor.

I've also said I have no problems trading Jason Taylor as long as we get good pick/s for him...or something of value...

You didn't seem to have a problem with the salary cap hit a month ago when you made that post.

[bsfins]

I still don't....But you have to talk about his Salary ...You're the one bitching at us For bringing up his Salary 

[Spider-Dan]

I have no objections to you bringing up his salary.  What I DO object to is you bringing up his salary and comparing it to ours as a reason for why he should report to camp.

The salary of the average American has no relevance whatsoever to JT's contract negotiations.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

Total hijackThere's tons of reasons for that...and it's not all about the money....Boxing in general is dying..not just heavywieghts....
End hijack...

It IS about the money.  Boxing may be dying in this country but not necessarily in others and it may even be argued that it is due to the lack of premier American names to sell it. 

My point was to show that big athletes are choosing something that will eventually be more lucrative.  So instead of choosing boxing they go with ball sports which has been paying a hell of a lot more than what they might make, even if they make it big time in boxing.  I wanted to show that a lower paying profession reduces its quality, as far as sports is concerned anyway. 

Kind of like the MLS compared to the British, Spanish, German, or French leagues.

[bsfins]

Guru I boxed from 1992-1995...in Golden Gloves,in Semi pro...It was dying back then...The Corruption,and The It's too Brutal,Violent,and the Not enough people teaching it...No corner Gyms every where...Boxing lost it's Infra structure....more than the lack of money the Money is there for the right people...but there aren't any people...

For some people It's too violent,for other's it's not Violent enough.....Then you have mixed martial arts,and Boxing taking almost all of the big fights to pay per view....too many different Rules on who and when you can fight in every state.....

I'm not gonna start another Politics of boxing arguement...Trust me it's more than about the money.

I quit because of headaches,and to play college ball,I also got tired of getting my Face bashed in..I was ugly enough as is....

[Dphins4me]

If the player wants a contract where everything is guaranteed and where a team doesn't have the ability to terminate that contract, the player should have his agent negotiate that in. If you sign a contract, you honor the contract.

  Then there is a hold out & you start calling the player names for asking for it to be guaranteed.   You start saying the player is to afraid to go out & earn the money that he wants it given to you. 

[run_to_win]

Why should the owners pocket massive amounts of money off of the sweat of others with little cost?

The owners have "little cost"?

[Guru-In-Vegas]

 

Yes, Runz.  That's what that sentence meant.  

 

[Guru-In-Vegas]

Guru I boxed from 1992-1995...in Golden Gloves,in Semi pro...It was dying back then...The Corruption,and The It's too Brutal,Violent,and the Not enough people teaching it...No corner Gyms every where...Boxing lost it's Infra structure....more than the lack of money the Money is there for the right people...but there aren't any people...

For some people It's too violent,for other's it's not Violent enough.....Then you have mixed martial arts,and Boxing taking almost all of the big fights to pay per view....too many different Rules on who and when you can fight in every state.....

I'm not gonna start another Politics of boxing arguement...Trust me it's more than about the money.

I quit because of headaches,and to play college ball,I also got tired of getting my Face bashed in..I was ugly enough as is....

You are totally right about the dimishing boxing gyms.  I don't know how much ball sports has to do with it, but just like in your experience I'm betting its probably a lot.  How much money has to do with it?  I'll take your word for it since your perspective is more experinced than mine.   

On a side note, I would have never guessed you were a boxer.  I boxed as well but never anything formal as you.  Its HELLA work to get into shape for it.

Sorry for the derail...

[run_to_win]

Yes, Runz.  That's what that sentence meant. 

Can you elaborate?

The salary cap alone is $117,000,000, with the lowest payroll last season being $76,000,000, and that's only for a fraction of the franchise's employees.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

Well how much revenue do the franchises generate?  I'm willing to bet that its a hell of lot more than 120,000,000.  As for being only a fraction of a team's employees, I'm wondering how much CEO's of big companies get in comparison to the rest of the company.  In fact, many recieve more yearly than some of the best players in the league.

My point wasn't to argue that they should receive more, but if they did I wouldn't question why.  I know its ridiculous that teachers get less than what they make in a quarter of a game, but its not their fault the NFL has grown into what it has today.  They are just getting their fair share of it which if anyone is entitled to it, its the players.

[run_to_win]

Well how much revenue do the franchises generate?  I'm willing to bet that its a hell of lot more than 120,000,000.  As for being only a fraction of a team's employees, I'm wondering how much CEO's of big companies get in comparison to the rest of the company.  In fact, many recieve more yearly than some of the best players in the league.

Revenues generated?  CEOs of big companies?  What does either have to do with the owners having "little costs"? 

Instead of constantly moving the goal posts an adult would have admitted that he was wrong.  The owners have significant costs. 

[Guru-In-Vegas]

I'm very impressed, "sir".  Well thats what I get for arguing with someone who reads shit and creates his own little fantasy. 

Since you're not here so that I may shout it in your face and slap you a few times here you go...

MY SENTENCE ASKED WHY SHOULD OWNERS ENJOY MASSIVE PROFITS WITH LITTLE COST.  LITTLE COST BEING DIRECTED TO THE DEBATE AT HAND...PLAYER'S SALARIES!!!

Now if you're just arguing with me for the sake of being the dick that you are, then my friend the only remedy for such a shitty existence is for you to stick your head in the toilet and don't flush. 

[ethurst2]

Wouldn't it be safe to define what "little costs" are? I think the Miami Dolphins LTD are also under Huiezenga Holdings, Inc. So wouldn't we have to look at Waynes' books to determine what those "costs" are?

I'll get denver_bronco to call Wayne right away!