To those here that live in Philly, I am sorry for your Loss.............

[run_to_win]

As soon as you can guarantee no innocent people will ever be wrongly convicted and executed, come talk to me and I will buy a ticket on your bandwagon, but until then, it is a no go. How much closure would a family get if someone else was wrongly convicted and murdered so they could feel they got their "justice" How do you make up for that colossal fucking mistake? Who should give up their life? And don't think for a minute this country has not executed wrongly convicted criminals in the past.

Hasn't DNA testing pretty much eliminated this fear? 

Prisons are full of innocent people ... just ask 'em. 

[Guru-In-Vegas]

This is one of those ideal world vs real world issues.  Ideally, execution should be much less expensive than prison.  How much does a bullet cost? 

So how is it that you feel about Saddam and his practices again?....

[Defense54]

I think that if prison was really punishment,i could agree with that.I say take away all the weight lifting,cable t.v.,internet access,college courses,etc.Put these criminals out "breaking up rocks"or something that is really "hard labor",give them just enough nutririon to stay healthy,and they would be too tired to stir up too much trouble at the end of the day.This would save the government tons of money because they wouldn't be big and powerful enough to beat up the guards therefore it would take less manpower to watch over them.For alot of these repeat offenders,prison is alot better than where they came from in the first place.If they have enough connections in the right gang,they can do their time,have sex,do drugs,learn how to be a better criminal,and get their degree....all on our tax money.

Before I became a Police officer I spent about a year working in a Maximum Security Prison. (Had to work my way up) .  Anyhow the above post makes a good point. People in Prison for life go to General population and even though its a suckie life for us.......they adjust and its all they know so it becomes Life.  They get 3 squares a day, they have cable TV sports, computers, you name it. Yeah they fuck each other in the ass........but again after 10 years or so its all they know so its acceptable. Its a life.

Those on death Row do NOT get put into General Population . They spend their days in a 6x8 box day after day waiting to die. Most have stacks of legal papers higher then the ceiling and they spend their days trying to save their own necks like the cowards they are. After 10 years on death row they want to die. When was the last time you heard of a condemned person being forcefully dragged to the table? They want it over. They die slowly everyday and are forced to confront what they have done. Then they have to actually see the families and loved ones as they leave this earth for the last time.

See the Difference?   Death Row is for the living . Not the dead. No one has the right to tell the family of a person who was killed that they can't at least get satisfaction of seeing the bastard suffer and die. Especially those that sitting in an armchair without the slightest inkling of what they are feeling . They will never be the same for the rest of their lives.........that bastard does not deserve to find another life. He needs to be forced to come to terms with what he has done . That's never a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

^ Two words...

Leonard Little

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

My only point is that pro-lifers make the claim that life starts at conception because at that point, the fetus is imbued with a soul that's the basis for the whole life is precious conversation.

It seems to me that people that are religiously pro-life then suspend their own religion to be for the death penalty.

Defense5499 posted about an eye for an eye. I'll tell you something, "an eye for an eye" isn't a Judeo-Christian doctrine, it's from the Hammurabi code. It comes from the worship of Marduk.

I'm personally against the death penalty because i don't think that a government for the people and by the people, should be killing the people it's for and by.

Actually an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is in the bible.  But it is not talking about punishments but reparations.  If my ox knocks down your fence I need to build you a new fence.  It may very well be the phrase from the bible that is taken out of context more than every other one. 

[Defense54]

As soon as you can guarantee no innocent people will ever be wrongly convicted and executed, come talk to me and I will buy a ticket on your bandwagon, but until then, it is a no go. How much closure would a family get if someone else was wrongly convicted and murdered so they could feel they got their "justice" How do you make up for that colossal fucking mistake? Who should give up their life? And don't think for a minute this country has not executed wrongly convicted criminals in the past.

I also worked in the Court System as a Bailiff for 4 years and I can tell you Innocent people don't go to death row anymore.  They hardly did in the past as well, but they like to exploit the 1 out of 10,000 people that were.

Many Many different stages need to be completed before a person is put to death. Its not just a police officer's affidavit and a jury.  Death penalty cases take 2-3 years to get to trial. Evidence is closely scrutinized. Here in the state of Florida a person can not be put to death unless the act was particularly heinous or they need to have had a violent past as well and have been convicted of it.  NONE of this is allowed during the trial and only allowed in the punishment phase. In order for a person to be convicted of 1st degree murder the Jury needs to be unanimous. After the Trial and a guilty verdict , a Jury needs to have a majority vote for death over life and even then its up to the Judge to sentence the SOB.  After that he goes through 10-20 years of Appeals and extreme scrutinizing of every step of the way he was convicted. Its designed 100% for the Guilty Party to try and find a loop hole or anything that can not prove the innocence of the person........but rather that he was treated unfairly. Soon enough they become the victim.

Sorry NOTHING in life is perfect. If your looking for the perfect solution You will never find it so its an extremely bad argument. Its the best system we have and every death penalty case I've been involved with........9 at last count. All 9 were Guilty as Fuck.  Guaranteed. 100% . And they were all the biggest assholes at the county Jail while they were awaiting Trial. It was such a pleasure to see the DOC guy come get them after a guilty verdict and see them shackled up and headed to Death Row and not a Life sentence and a new life.

[Defense54]

^ Two words...

Leonard Little

Did you ever get that help we talked about?   Going back to the past is a bad sign bro. heres some more help:  http://www.stressmanagementcenterlv.com/?SRC=TC1A1239799780

Its what I do. Let me know if I can help you anymore..........

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I also worked in the Court System as a Bailiff for 4 years and I can tell you Innocent people don't go to death row anymore.  They hardly did in the past as well, but they like to exploit the 1 out of 10,000 people that were.

Having also worked in the criminal justice system, I can tell you that a lot more innocent people go to jail than guilty go free.  OJ is the exception, wrongful convictions is the rule. 

[Defense54]

Actually an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is in the bible.  But it is not talking about punishments but reparations.  If my ox knocks down your fence I need to build you a new fence.  It may very well be the phrase from the bible that is taken out of context more than every other one. 

Well if you Purposely (1st degree Murder) Kill a Father of 3 , You can't ever replace that. So Giving your life is right on Par with that. It's not even close to even because that act probably ruined several lives but if all we can get is your miserable hide as reparation......then so be it.

[Defense54]

Having also worked in the criminal justice system, I can tell you that a lot more innocent people go to jail than guilty go free.  OJ is the exception, wrongful convictions is the rule. 

Maybe in the Boston area where everyone is a frigging convict.  Can I ask how you came upon this conclusion or is this just your opinion? Did you actually see court cases overturned ? And were there more cases overturned then people convicted?

I think you are so full of shit its coming out of your ears.  This is one subject I'm VERY involved in.  If there was ever a court such as you described we would know about it. Save your bullshit for dumb Dolphin Kill posts. Moron.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Well if you Purposely (1st degree Murder) Kill a Father of 3 , You can't ever replace that. So Giving your life is right on Par with that. It's not even close to even because that act probably ruined several lives but if all we can get is your miserable hide as reparation......then so be it.

That is punishment not reparation.  If you kill a father of 3 (purposefully or for that matter accidentally) and you provide financially for their upbring that is reparation and that is what that section of the bible is speak about. 

BTW- I am actually pro-death penalty.

And although I don't look to the bible for all my political stances, there are other sections of the bible (at least the old testament) that do support the death penalty. That phrase however is not discussing punishment. Also whereas the teachings of the old testament support the use of the death penalty.  The new testament and Jesus is clearly opposed to it.  Jesus was a lot more clear on the topic that killing someone as punishment is wrong, then say his repealing the old testaments probation on eating pork.   

Although do support the death penalty, I believe it needs to used less and certainly needs to be administered more fairly.  The fact is a white person who kills a black person they are much less likely to be sentenced to death than vice versa. 

[StL FinFan]

I don't know my bible very well, but I think Jesus was a "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and a "do not judge lest ye be judged" kind of a guy.  Of course, before you all pile on me, you can quote the bible to support almost anything.

[Defense54]

That is punishment not reparation.  If you kill a father of 3 (purposefully or for that matter accidentally) and you provide financially for their upbring that is reparation and that is what that section of the bible is speak about. 

BTW- I am actually pro-death penalty.

And although I don't look to the bible for all my political stances, there are other sections of the bible (at least the old testament) that do support the death penalty. That phrase however is not discussing punishment. Also whereas the teachings of the old testament support the use of the death penalty.  The new testament and Jesus is clearly opposed to it.  Jesus was a lot more clear on the topic that killing someone as punishment is wrong, then say his repealing the old testaments probation on eating pork.   

Although do support the death penalty, I believe it needs to used less and certainly needs to be administered more fairly.  The fact is a white person who kills a black person they are much less likely to be sentenced to death than vice versa. 

Don't even go there. First you add a bunch of bullshit like innocent people being convicted then guilty going free without any proof other then your own twisted logic. Now you want to bring Race into this.  No wonder Boston is such a fucked up town.

[run_to_win]

Having also worked in the criminal justice system, I can tell you that a lot more innocent people go to jail than guilty go free.  OJ is the exception, wrongful convictions is the rule. 

Going to jail is not the same as being executed. 

[bsmooth]

I also worked in the Court System as a Bailiff for 4 years and I can tell you Innocent people don't go to death row anymore.  They hardly did in the past as well, but they like to exploit the 1 out of 10,000 people that were.

Many Many different stages need to be completed before a person is put to death. Its not just a police officer's affidavit and a jury.  Death penalty cases take 2-3 years to get to trial. Evidence is closely scrutinized. Here in the state of Florida a person can not be put to death unless the act was particularly heinous or they need to have had a violent past as well and have been convicted of it.  NONE of this is allowed during the trial and only allowed in the punishment phase. In order for a person to be convicted of 1st degree murder the Jury needs to be unanimous. After the Trial and a guilty verdict , a Jury needs to have a majority vote for death over life and even then its up to the Judge to sentence the SOB.  After that he goes through 10-20 years of Appeals and extreme scrutinizing of every step of the way he was convicted. Its designed 100% for the Guilty Party to try and find a loop hole or anything that can not prove the innocence of the person........but rather that he was treated unfairly. Soon enough they become the victim.

Sorry NOTHING in life is perfect. If your looking for the perfect solution You will never find it so its an extremely bad argument. Its the best system we have and every death penalty case I've been involved with........9 at last count. All 9 were Guilty as Fuck.  Guaranteed. 100% . And they were all the biggest assholes at the county Jail while they were awaiting Trial. It was such a pleasure to see the DOC guy come get them after a guilty verdict and see them shackled up and headed to Death Row and not a Life sentence and a new life.

HAHA, wow you are naive. I am fully awae of how the system works, I have degree in criminal law, and my father is a retired officer, but thanks for the schpeil.
It is well documented that innocent people were sentenced to death, especially black men in the south, for decades.
Just the fact that you are alright with state sponsored murder of innocent people, just to get some revenge speaks volumes as to how and why innocent people, and the mentally retarded  have wound up on death row, and why we should not need it currently.
But hey why don't you read Beccaria, the guy who's writings on criminal courts and rights was adopted almost word for word by our founding fathers when they created our system, and see why he was against the death penalty, having seen it abused.