John Beck doesn't stand a chance

[ethurst2]

Let's face it!

We've all talked about loyalty in sports and basically, there isn't any.

John Beck does not stand a chance as the Dolphins future quarterback.

He's in a damn if you do and damn if you don't position.

Gone are the days in which a new coach comes in and works with what is there and turns a team until championship material. That's too hard to do. The easy way out is to bring in your Butler, your Maid, Fee Fee your poodle, 25 coaches that you had beer with your previous stop (see Nick Saban) and the players that you think that will get the job done.

Let's say that Beck wins the starting job and pulls a Drew Brees of three-years ago and has an outstanding season. I can guarantee you that management lets him go in free agency because basically, they want their "pick" in the game (Henne) or some other QB.

Let's say that Beck is not the starter. He's gone anyway.

Beck seems like a good kid with his head on straight that can become an effective quarterback in this league but he's in a no win situation with the Parcells regime. Beck thrives in spread offenses with great protection. Parcells is a coach that loves the running game, even when it's 3rd and 8. How many times did you see runs on those downs with Ottis Anderson and Joe Morris when he was coach with the Giants? That's why he hated Julius Jones and started inserting Marion Barber in Dallas on 3rd downs because Barber had the unusual gift of turning a running play on a 3rd and 8 into a first down.

Here's hoping that beck wins the starting job, does great and goes somewhere else.

All I've got to say is...

Watch out Ronnie Brown.

[StL FinFan]

I'm sorry but I just don't get the logic in that if Beck turns out to be a stud, the Dolphins will trade him because the new regime wants "their" guy in there.  That would be shooting themselves in the foot, unless they have 2 studs to chose from.

[run_to_win]

I'm sorry but I just don't get the logic...

That's because you're not a man ....









Oops, got sidetracked there and almost forgot to finish my statement - sorry!

.... and thus can't be inflicted with egomania.

[Sunstroke]

I hope that Miami keeps, and plays, the best possible QB they can run out under center.

I don't share ethurst's optimism for Beck, but if he does develop into a legitimate starting caliber QB, then more power to him...and us.

[Defense54]

I'm just not ready to shit on Beck yet. The kid barely had a chance. I hope the Kid competes, if not then it will be the final piece of Camerons Legacy that we can ship out on I95 North soon enough.  But he turns 28 this year. If he's gonna develop into anything he had better start now. 

[Brian Fein]

I really think we're going to see great things from Beck this season.  I think, by the end of this year, its going to be McCown the odd man out.

I expect Beck to beat out Josh for the starting job, and start most of the season, getting better ads the season goes on.  He probably won't become a franchise QB, but he'll fill the void under the "servicable" to "above average" category.

[doctord56]

I have to respectfully disagree, Ethurst. If Beck can show the Tuna he deserves to start, he'll get the nod. Parcells just wants to win, and though he certainly isn't sold on Beck as the QB of the future, he isn't about to toss him aside just yet. There are 3 guys who have a shot this year at starting, and hopefully at least one of them turns out to be a front line NFL QB. And if none of them prove any better than "servicable" (as per our Mr. Fein), Parcells will cast the detritus aside, and keep drafting until he gets himself a good one.

[ARamsFan]

In his rookie preseason stints, it seemed like God was with him. He's had pro experience as a starter, even though it may be on considerably the worst NFL franchise for last year (though I don't personally agree with that.) That's saying a lot. He'll compete with McCown, and it'll be interesting to see who wins.

[MaineDolFan]

Stroke & I don't disagree on much, but I do disagree with him on Beck.  I see things in this kid that I really like a lot.  I think that Beck haters would be well served to go to Youtube and pull up video of Tom Brady's first season under center for the Pats.  Watch those side by side with Beck's starts.  The same things that were positives about Brady are positives about Beck and, alas, the same 'deer in the headlight' look that you see on Beck is what you'll find Brady looked like.  They had the same fundamental issues.

Say what you will about Tom Brady, I think he turned out okay.

The reason I compare the two is this:  even after winning a Super Bowl in that year I remember callers to my show blasting Brady the same way they blast Beck now.  The Pats need to address QB in up coming draft, the dodged a bullet with him under center, they should trade for a veteran arm...it took Patriot fans a couple years to really come around to what they had with Tom.

Beck doesn't have the same luxary that Brady did - O line is terrible, no weapons to speak of, a defense that didn't make his field shorter.  Where Brady was born into the NFL with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth, Beck was born into NFL poverty.  And yet the skill sets appear close, almost uncanny.

I am excited to see what this kid will evolve into.

[Brian Fein]

Maybe that's just it!  We need to start videotaping defensive signals and pipe them into Beck's helmet speaker!  Then, maybe he'll be just as good as Tom Brady!

[MaineDolFan]

Stolen signals or not, you can not 'fake' a perfectly executed fly pattern and place a ball perfectly over the WR's should in stride with stolen calls.  Last time I checked, Brady was pretty fantastic at that. 

[Sunstroke]

Stroke & I don't disagree on much, but I do disagree with him on Beck.  I see things in this kid that I really like a lot.  I think that Beck haters would be well served to go to Youtube and pull up video of Tom Brady's first season under center for the Pats.  Watch those side by side with Beck's starts.  The same things that were positives about Brady are positives about Beck and, alas, the same 'deer in the headlight' look that you see on Beck is what you'll find Brady looked like. 

I took a look at some Brady youtubes this morning, and have to respectfully disagree...I see nothing of Brady in John Beck (aside from both being classified as carbon-based mammals), and I think the whole "let's compare a nobody QB with a hall of fame QB because they might have had a similar 'this or that' in common..." line of reasoning is kind of goofy. I can find similarities between Ted Ginn's game and Jerry Rice's game. I can find similarities between Vernon Carey's game and Orlando Pace's game.

But, when it's all said and done, Ted isn't ever going to be Jerry, Vernon isn't ever going to be Orlando, and Beck isn't ever going to be Brady. Thinking any other way is a sure recipe for a massive letdown.

[MaineDolFan]

I think you have missed my point.  If someone like Brady can over come what he did, and had the same tendencies, perhaps it's a tad too early to write off Beck.

Brady had weapons all around him, a defense that gave him short fields to work with and an offensive line that protected him.  And he still looked like shit.  Watch the wild card game in 2001.  Watch game film from the Steelers game until he got hurt and Bledsoe came in.  Brady was pretty dreadful, but he did have some solid tools to build from.

Brady is smart, so is Beck.  I'm not saying Beck will be Brady, I AM saying it's way too early to write his career off.  That's like saying a team is hopeless after starting 0-1.

[gocowboys31]

I'll say this, beck better outperform McCown and Henne by a wide margain to be considered as the long term solution for the dolphins, because if the race is even ethurst is right the fat and ireland are going with "there guy".

[Doc-phin]

You have to admit, whether you agree with ethurst or not, that Parcells has shown that he only wants guys that he picks.  I honestly believe that he would have fired the entire team if he thought he could have gotten away with it.  But if he had done that, then we would be 0-16 this year and that wouldn't look too good for Parcells.

Anyone who was here before the Parcells regime should go ahead and line up a moving company just to be prepared.  This particularly applies to Beck, just as ethurst stated.

By the way, this is the thing I like the least about the Parcells method.  He cleans house to the point that it hurts the team (just a little too much).  I feel that this is what has kept his projects from making the step from playoff teams to championship teams. 

Good luck Beck, I am pulling for you!  I just can't help getting the feeling that your gonna get screwed.  Hope I am wrong.