Brady Quinn over Ted Ginn plus Cam Cameron's incompetence

[YoFuggedaboutit]

I'm going with Philly's suggestion and continuing the discussion here. 

Grabbing Ginn over Quinn was a major blunder on Cam Cameron's part, and the first of many signs that I saw that this guy was not a good coach. 

Having Anthony Alabi working with the first team offensive line all through training camp was another.  This guy rode the pine for two years, and only played in two games. 

Having Ronnie Brown return kickoffs in the preseason, taking a night off from coaching in the final preseason game, the guys sucking win in the 4th quarter against Washington, the list goes on and on. 

What sealed my opinion of him was the way he singlehandedly blew the Houston game. 

[simeon]

Tommy I agree that Cameron made a blunder in the draft, however I was never sold on Brady Quinn either. Cameron made many mistakes, and it really cost us allot particularly a 1-15 season. But Brady Quinn can't even win the starting job in Cleveland, the Browns signed Derek Anderson to a longer contract. It appears that the deal that went down in san Diego is going on in Cleveland. I think Ginn has potential, if he can learn to run good and clean routes, but I would have never drafted in the 1st round at the 9th spot.

[Dphins4me]

Tommy I agree that Cameron made a blunder in the draft, however I was never sold on Brady Quinn either. Cameron made many mistakes, and it really cost us allot particularly a 1-15 season. But Brady Quinn can't even win the starting job in Cleveland, the Browns signed Derek Anderson to a longer contract. It appears that the deal that went down in san Diego is going on in Cleveland. I think Ginn has potential, if he can learn to run good and clean routes, but I would have never drafted in the 1st round at the 9th spot.

  I was not a Ginn fan.  In fact he was the one player I was 100% against Miami drafting & uttered the words  " WTF" when I heard Miami drafted him.  I viewed him as a Desmond Howard type player.  Plus he looks to be way too frail. In fact I voiced my opinion about how much I hated the pick.

However, I put my biased opinion aside once the season began & watched him as a rookie Wr last year & understanding he was raw.  I came away impressed & encouraged with what he did.

Ginn actually caught the ball.  If he dropped an easy pass I do not remember seeing it.  Ginn may never be worth the No. 9 selection, but if he can be equal to a Joey Galloway early days then I will be happy. 

I was prepared for Miami to draft Quinn, even though I was also against that.  Just flat out too much hype for what I viewed as mediocre play & poor accuracy.

I wanted Okoye or Willis ( But a LBer that high is a question for me )

[Philly Fin Fan]

  I was not a Ginn fan.  In fact he was the one player I was 100% against Miami drafting & uttered the words  " WTF" when I heard Miami drafted him.  I viewed him as a Desmond Howard type player.  Plus he looks to be way too frail. In fact I voiced my opinion about how much I hated the pick.

However, I put my biased opinion aside once the season began & watched him as a rookie Wr last year & understanding he was raw.  I came away impressed & encouraged with what he did.

Ginn actually caught the ball.  If he dropped an easy pass I do not remember seeing it.  Ginn may never be worth the No. 9 selection, but if he can be equal to a Joey Galloway early days then I will be happy. 

I agree with you 100% on this. I was all for Quinn. I even was on the phone with Brian and Dave every few minutes during the draft, anticipating him falling to the Fins.
But just like you, once I saw Ginn live (at the Eagles game), I became a fan. His speed is incredible. If everything we are reading is accurate, he is learning to play full speed and we will see the results this season.

[Phishfan]

I didn't want Quinn or Ginn, but we got the better deal out of the two I feel. I can't believe some of the arguments I have seen for taking Quinn. One person actually has gone on to say that if Quinn is a complete failure and Ginn isn't that it would still be a mistake for not taking Quinn. That is just pure craziness.

[Dave Gray]

I didn't think Quinn looked good, from his highlights.  His throws were too lofty and much of the stuff that looked like great throws in college would be picked off in the NFL.

I thought that since he was supposed to go early, that he would be good value at 9, but that was it.

I think that we reached on Ginn, regardless of how he pans out.  We could've gotten him later, I bet.

[fyo]

I think that we reached on Ginn, regardless of how he pans out.  We could've gotten him later, I bet.

I thought there were "reliable sources" claiming that the Texans would've grabbed him at #10?

Oh well, I was surprised at the Ginn pick and am nowhere near sold on him now. That doesn't mean I think Cam blew it. He may well have, but I'll reserve judgment. Despite what others have said, I don't believe Cam should have played it safe and gone with a "popular" player. That's cowardice. If your own research and analysis says this guy's the best, grab him - unless you believe you can get him or a player almost as good much later.

As for not picking Quinn... sorry, I'm happy on that account. I just don't get a good feeling about Quinn when I see him play.

I think one of the major reasons Cam took Ginn is that there weren't any other offensive players to grab, if you don't grab Quinn (and. let's face it, the next 12 teams passed on Quinn as well). The only one was Marshawn Lynch and THAT would have pissed me off completely. Considering our needs (and without resorting to 20/20 hindsight), I think we should've gone defensive tackle or end. Who knows what Cam's draft board looked like, but Amobi Okoye and Adam Carriker were the next players picked at those positions.

[Dave Gray]

In addition to my questions about Ginn as a player, I more question the Ginn pick as a position.  To draft a kick returner, when you have so many pressing core needs, seems strange.  It's the same way I felt when we drafted Fletcher some years back.  It wasn't so much that I had a problem with Flethcher, as with drafting a corner, when we had Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, and no offense.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

In addition to my questions about Ginn as a player, I more question the Ginn pick as a position.  To draft a kick returner, when you have so many pressing core needs, seems strange.  It's the same way I felt when we drafted Fletcher some years back.  It wasn't so much that I had a problem with Flethcher, as with drafting a corner, when we had Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, and no offense.

Which again, goes back to Cameron's complete incompetence as a head coach.  He was worse than Wanny.

[Phishfan]

To keep referring to him as a "kick returner" pretty much means you have blinders on in my opinion. I wasn't thrilled either, but don't you see that he had the most consistent hands and caught virtually everything catchable?

[YoFuggedaboutit]

To keep referring to him as a "kick returner" pretty much means you have blinders on in my opinion. I wasn't thrilled either, but don't you see that he had the most consistent hands and caught virtually everything catchable?

Considering Cam Cameron referred to him as a kick returner.....

[Phishfan]

Considering Cam Cameron referred to him as a kick returner.....

But he didn't only call him a kick returner like you guys are. That is revisionism.

[TEKGOD]

I dont understand the Ginn apologists. No matter how great a niche player he becomes you do not pass up a franchise QB if you're the Dolphins in that draft. We were in the need of a cornerstone & went for luxury picks

[DolFan619]

  I was highly critical of the selection of Ted Ginn Jr.  However, as time passed and the season went along, Ginn won me over and I thought "the Dolphins may have something in this kid."  He's raw in his route running, but what rookie WR isn't?  The one thing he did well that none of the other Miami receivers did was CATCH THE BALL.  He literally caught everything that was thrown his way.  As Philly alluded to earlier, Ginn's speed is incredible.  You saw that speed on some of his punt and kick returns.  He may not be as shifty or quick as Devin Hester, but he hits open field...  see ya later.

  Now as far as Brady Quinn goes.  I didn't believe the Dolphins would've had a shot at Quinn.  I thought that the Browns would snatch up Quinn with that 3rd overall pick, Joe Thomas would've gone to the Cardinals, and Miami would wind up with Penn State OT Levi Brown.  Well, that didn't happen.  Personally, out all the quarterbacks in that 2007 Draft Class, Michigan State's Drew Stanton was the one quarterback I wanted the most.  When people talk about Brady Quinn on here, what bothers me is how people can actually sit there and say: "Well Quinn is a better pick, Ted Ginn Jr. sucks.  Blah, blah, blah."

  What are you people basing this on?  Both Ginn and Beck have played more meaningful NFL snaps than Brady Quinn has.  How can you say Brady Quinn is the better pick when you have nothing to base that on?  You have NO arguement, none whatsoever.  Until Brady Quinn sees more meaningful playing time in the regular season, there is no basis for comparison between Brady Quinn vs. Ted Ginn Jr.  One game, 3 completions, 8 attempts, 37.5% Completion Percentage, 56.8% QBR.  This is supposed to tell me that Quinn was the better pick?  I can't tell anything from those stats!

  Finally, just because Cam Cameron called Ted Ginn Jr. a kick returner doesn't mean that is what he will always be.  Ted Ginn Jr. is a wide receiver.  The current coaching staff looks at Ted as a #1 wide receiver.  This current regime has brought in several other return guys to lighten Ginn's load on returns and focus on becoming the receiver he is capable of being.  Cameron's poor choice of words only made the fans more irate over the pick, when in reality he should've advertised a Ginn as "a speedy threat who will open up the deep passing game and make more opportunities available for Chris Chambers and our other wide receivers."

  Time will tell whether Brady Quinn or Ted Ginn Jr. were the better picks.  Hell, it could turn out that neither are good and Patrick Willis and Amobi Okoye should've been the guys that were taken.  Until we have enough evidence to make such a determination, this subject needs to be put to rest.  Sitting around here and moping about the past accomplishes absolutely nothing.  I'm moving forward.  Between John Beck and Chad Henne, one of these two young stallions is our future quarterback.  I'm looking forward too seeing who that will be, and when one of those guys steps up and finally claims that role, it can only mean, bigger, and brighter days ahead for Ted Ginn Jr.

[StL FinFan]

^ Nice post! 

Calling Quinn a franchise QB at this point is just so ridiculous I don't know what so say about it.  He may be, but we don't know that, yet.