Brady Quinn over Ted Ginn plus Cam Cameron's incompetence

[TEKGOD]

  Sure Quinn played in a few big games.  How did he perform in those games?  Also, don't fool yourself either into thinking Notre Dame plays a tough schedule.  They play a lot of bigger named school with very average football teams like Purdue. Mich St.   I'm not saying BYU plays any better, just that ND is not playing the heavy weights of college either.

You have yet to explain why it was a reach to pass on Quinn?  Was his name simply to big to not take?  What the special qualities Quinn has?  If Quinn is so good then why was he not drafted until 22?  That is lower than where Rex Grossman was drafted.  Ouch.

Also, might want to understand what a slot Wr does.  Ginn is no where a slot type Wr.   Also to include " At best " means you would rather Ginn fail than to be wrong about it.  Shameful.

Why was it stupid to pass up Quinn at # 9? Because we needed a young QB to build around, & instead picked a KR.

Why Quinn & not Beck? Big name/hype like you suggest? Let's see. Quinn has size, experience against more formidable competition (than BYU anyway), an arm, & definately more athletic. Oh yeah & he's about 5 years younger. 37TD to 6 INT ratio behind a crap o-line at ND. What do we have in Beck a skinny, older, less mobile prospect with an allegedly strong arm. So in short, Jay Fiedler with a stronger arm. --> PASS

Its not so much a love for Quinn as it is contempt for picking Ginn at #9. I say Ginn is only a slot receiver at best because he is too small to be a #1 & maybe even a #2. Physical CB's will toss him around all over the place. He would need to get open under coverages matched up against LB's like Wes used to except he doesn't have the same hands. He's best in open space, which is why he is only suitable as a KR.

Im not going to debate this anymore if you fail to see how picking an injured KR over a potential franchise QB is a reach then we will have to just agree to disagree

[simeon]

Why was it stupid to pass up Quinn at # 9? Because we needed a young QB to build around, & instead picked a KR.
Im not going to debate this anymore if you fail to see how picking an injured KR over a potential franchise QB is a reach then we will have to just agree to disagree

True Miami has ignored the QB since drafting Marino in 1983. Hopefully one of these two young QBs can get the job done. The word POTENTIAL does not make a great sell to me, technically Beck has the potential to be a franchise QB. Though I disagreed with drafting Ginn but if the opportunity came up again I would chose him over the not so mighty Quinn.

IF QUINN HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL THEN WHY DID CLEVELAND SIGN DEREK ANDERSEN TO A CONTRACT EXTENSION ?

[gocowboys31]

IF QUINN HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL THEN WHY DID CLEVELAND SIGN DEREK ANDERSEN TO A CONTRACT EXTENSION ?

Because Quarterbacks are a valuable commodity. If anderson works out the browns can trade Quinn and get some value in return. I'd love to be in the browns position.

Ron Wolf when he was GM with the packers drafted a QB almost every season.

Dallas got Cleveland to give up it's first round pick so they could acquire Quinn.

Someone next season will be beating down cleveland's door to inquire about Quinn. Also what if Anderson goes down with an injury, quinn can step right in. You need two capable QB's in this league.

Look how long David Garrard stood behind leftwicth. Garrard turned out to be the better fit in the jags system.

Anderson only signed a 3 year extension, so the browns didn't really make any long term commitment to him. I'll take cleveland's problem any day of the week.

[TEKGOD]

IF QUINN HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL THEN WHY DID CLEVELAND SIGN DEREK ANDERSEN TO A CONTRACT EXTENSION ?

Well this has nothing to do with the draft but Andersen got an extension because he had a Pro Bowl year so it made perfect sense. The Browns at some point will have to make or break with Quinn because we will need to start somewhere & deservedly so.

[Sunstroke]

Because Quarterbacks are a valuable commodity. If anderson works out the browns can trade Quinn and get some value in return. I'd love to be in the browns position.

Ron Wolf when he was GM with the packers drafted a QB almost every season.

Dallas got Cleveland to give up it's first round pick so they could acquire Quinn.

Someone next season will be beating down cleveland's door to inquire about Quinn. Also what if Anderson goes down with an injury, quinn can step right in. You need two capable QB's in this league.

Exactly... Derek Anderson's contract means nothing to Quinn's ability to play QB. We talked about this quite a bit leading up to the draft, but I am all for drafting at least one QB in every draft class...or signing at least one undrafted rookie FA QB every year. However you get the QBs into camp, bringing in fresh blood at that position does nothing but increase your chances of picking a diamond out of the dirt.

[DolFan619]

  I wonder if we would still be having this conversation had we choose Edwards or Stanton, and not Beck.

[Defense54]

 

  Last time you saw Chambers taking punts and kickoffs?  How about 2001?  In his rookie year.  36 kick returns, 811 yards, 22.5 return average, and a longest return of 47 yards.  It's not totally uncommon for #1 receivers too see some time as PR/KR, O.J. McDuffie did it.  McDuffie was also a PR for the Dolphins for seven years during his eight year tenure with the Dolphins.  He returned kickoffs in four of those seasons as well.  I don't think that made O.J. McDuffie any less of a receiver.  Nobody slapped the label of "returner" on McDuffie as much as some of you do with Ginn. 

 I don't believe Chambers was listed as the #1 receiver in his rookie season. .........lets see if Ginn returns any punts in training camp or in the reg. season. #1 Receivers DO NOT return punts .
 
 
 

Really?  What teams felt that Miami and Brady Quinn were made for each other?   

Probably ever Team, Player, personal director analyst, and Fan that was at the draft that all Gasped at the pick together and said "HOLY SHIT", all together.


 

Not too shabby, but it's still a fall from grace for a guy that was projected by the number one overall pick before the college football season began.  Marino did go later than Quinn, but that was for a totally different reason.  Marino fell because of alleged cocaine use, and that really hurt his stock.  Had that rumor not been put out there, the Dolphins would've never had a shot at Marino.

He did pretty good for a coke head huh?  My point is everyone makes like #22 is such a disgrace. He is still a player that another Team felt was enough of a good Risk that they spent several draft picks to TRADE UP to snatch him. If Anderson continues his play , They might even get them back in trade for the Kid. I sincerely doubt ANY NFL team would give us another Round 1 pick for Mr Ginn. No way Jose........

[DolFan619]

I don't believe Chambers was listed as the #1 receiver in his rookie season. .........lets see if Ginn returns any punts in training camp or in the reg. season. #1 Receivers DO NOT return punts.

  O.J. McDuffie did it.
 

Probably ever Team, Player, personal director analyst, and Fan that was at the draft that all Gasped at the pick together and said "HOLY SHIT", all together.

  So in other words, you have no names to backup your claims.

He did pretty good for a coke head huh?  My point is everyone makes like #22 is such a disgrace. He is still a player that another Team felt was enough of a good Risk that they spent several draft picks to TRADE UP to snatch him. If Anderson continues his play , They might even get them back in trade for the Kid. I sincerely doubt ANY NFL team would give us another Round 1 pick for Mr Ginn. No way Jose........

  You don't know that.

[Sunstroke]

I don't believe Chambers was listed as the #1 receiver in his rookie season. .........lets see if Ginn returns any punts in training camp or in the reg. season. #1 Receivers DO NOT return punts .

Steve Smith returned punts for Carolina, and there isn't any doubt that he's the #1 WR for the Panthers. Adrian Peterson (the real one) returned punts for Minnesota last year, despite his being their stud RB.

You don't know that. (giving a first rounder for Ginn)

You know I love ya, 619...but do YOU really think that, right now, any team in the NFL would give up a first round pick for Ted Ginn jr?

[DolFan619]

You know I love ya, 619...but do YOU really think that, right now, any team in the NFL would give up a first round pick for Ted Ginn jr?

  Right now, no of course not.  Down the road, it's a possibilty if Ginn lives up to the talent he's capable of.  Of course, if that happens I don't expect Ginn to wind up being shopped around.

[fyo]

do YOU really think that, right now, any team in the NFL would give up a first round pick for Ted Ginn jr Brady Quinn?

[Dphins4me]

Why was it stupid to pass up Quinn at # 9? Because we needed a young QB to build around, & instead picked a KR.

  You have that QB in Beck.  Who again was drafted only 18 spots lower & is only 3 years older, not the 5 you say below.  Which leads me to believe you either do not know & are just spouting things or you are trying to skew the facts to help make your point.

Why Quinn & not Beck? Big name/hype like you suggest? Let's see. Quinn has size, experience against more formidable competition (than BYU anyway), an arm, & definately more athletic. Oh yeah & he's about 5 years younger. 37TD to 6 INT ratio behind a crap o-line at ND. What do we have in Beck a skinny, older, less mobile prospect with an allegedly strong arm. So in short, Jay Fiedler with a stronger arm. --> PASS

  Fiedler's mobility would make Quinn look like Marino..  Beck has added something like 20 Lbs this offseason.  If true, then he & Quinn will be almost the same height & weight.  Both are listed at 6'2"

Beck had 32 TDs / 8 Ints.  The one thing you forgot to bring up was he & Quinn were on two different poles of accuracy.  Beck was considered one of the most accurate passers, while Quinn was rated as one of the worst.

Its not so much a love for Quinn as it is contempt for picking Ginn at #9. I say Ginn is only a slot receiver at best because he is too small to be a #1 & maybe even a #2. Physical CB's will toss him around all over the place. He would need to get open under coverages matched up against LB's like Wes used to except he doesn't have the same hands. He's best in open space, which is why he is only suitable as a KR.

Might want to tell that to Steve Smith also.  Not sure he knows it.
Smith is 2 inches shorter than Ginn.   Hines Ward is only 1 inch taller.  Joey Galloway is another smaller Wr that has been a No. 1.

Im not going to debate this anymore if you fail to see how picking an injured KR over a potential franchise QB is a reach then we will have to just agree to disagree

  It would be different if Miami did not choose a QB with their very next pick.

Its the same this year & I do not see you complaining about Miami passing on a higher rated QB in Ryan than Quinn was, for another position.

Why are you not complaining about this year?  Hypocrisy?  Simple hatred of Ginn?  Just flat out love for Quinn?

[Dphins4me]

Dallas got Cleveland to give up it's first round pick so they could acquire Quinn..

  Don't think they will.    Most teams appeared to have deemed Quinn not worthy of a 1st Rd selection, so Quinn will have to do something on the field this year in order for a team to be interested in trading for him.

Other than that he will be just another potential young Qb.

[Rick]

  Don't think they will.    Most teams appeared to have deemed Quinn not worthy of a 1st Rd selection, so Quinn will have to do something on the field this year in order for a team to be interested in trading for him.

Other than that he will be just another potential young Qb.

Cleveland gave up this years (2008) #1 pick to move back into the first round to acquire the right to draft Brady Quinn at Dallas pick #22.  There were also a few others picks given up by Cleveland to Dallas in order to get Quinn.  Wow, they must have really thought highly of his ability to give up so much!!!

[Dphins4me]

Cleveland gave up this years (2008) #1 pick to move back into the first round to acquire the right to draft Brady Quinn at Dallas pick #22.  There were also a few others picks given up by Cleveland to Dallas in order to get Quinn.  Wow, they must have really thought highly of his ability to give up so much!!!

  They thought so much of his ability that they passed on him with the 3rd pick of the draft.  Shows what they actually thought of his ability.

The trade:

Cleveland gave up their '08 1st Rder ( No. 25 ) & a '07 2nd Rder ( No. 36 ) to move up.   So basically they gave up a 2nd Rder for Quinn ( No. 22 ) & spent their '08 late first Rders on Quinn.   

The fact is Cleveland who was in just as bad of a spot for a QBs as Miami thought Quinn was not worthy of the third pick of the draft.   That tells me Cleveland had doubts about his ability & was not willing to gamble the pick & the money for him at that spot.

However, in the 20's he was worth the gamble.