Astros P Shawn Chacon chokes GM.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

They suspended this motherfucker indefinitely until they decide what to do with him, and rightfully so.  I think they should cut his ass loose, but in baseball, contracts are guaranteed. 

http://sports.aol.com/mlb/story/_a/chacon-suspended-after-brawl-with-gm/20080625231309990001?icid=200100397x1204678631x1200206859

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

I read this earlier today and they have been talking about it on the local sports radio stations. What an assclown!!!!! I can't believe he is even trying to justify this.

[Dave Gray]

I'm amazed that this stuff happens as much as it does with athletes.  This guy should be in jail for assault.

Can you imagine if you went and chokeslammed your boss what kind of shit you'd be in?

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

Can you imagine if you went and chokeslammed your boss what kind of shit you'd be in?

I would be unemployed on the spot not suspended and I would most likely end up in the slammer with a few assault charges to boot. I have been pissed off at my boss a few times but I can honestly say doing something like this has never crossed my mind. I may call him a few colorful words once I get away from him but that is about the extent of it.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Can you imagine if you went and chokeslammed your boss what kind of shit you'd be in?

If you could avoid criminal charges, and that's a big if, you'd have to excise that current job from your resume, and then account for that gap in employment history.

[MaineDolFan]

Here is a problem that I have with Ed Wade:  he's a complete and utter prick.  I can actually see things going down the way that Shawn said that they did.

I don't condone what Shawn did, but I also believe getting in someone's face and yelling them is cause for potential self defense. 

I hear a bunch of "if I did this at work" - I am willing to bet none of you have bosses that would go nose to nose with you and start screaming at you in front of your peers.  Shawn should have walked away but I can certainly understand a feeling to defend himself if this went down the way I think it might have.  Knowing Ed Wade it doesn't surprise me.  Bagwell had run ins with him as well, and Bags is as level headed as it gets.

This does happen a lot, actually.  I was on the plane and sitting behind Theo when he told Hillenbran that he'd been traded to Arizona.  I thought something was going to go down on that plane as well.

[Philly Fin Fan]

I am willing to bet none of you have bosses that would go nose to nose with you and start screaming at you in front of your peers. 

Wanna bet? I work for a Korean company, and the way they do business is kind of different. I've sat in several meetings where the CEO (a small, older Korean man) screamed and yelled at us.

[Sunstroke]

I've worked for a couple of fairly psychotic screaming bosses as well.

Since this is a sports board, one of those psycho bosses was former Rams/Redskins DE Bruce Anderson, who had more than enough size to back up his anger. Bruce owned a company in Bellevue called Paramount Plastics, which did extrusion, injection molding, and other acrylics manufacturing for the boeings and mcdonnell douglas types. I ran the thermoforming shop, which created the window assemblies and prisms for the jet liners. Bruce's outbursts were legendary...I saw many employees quit immediately after Bruce ripped into them, and more than one male employee was reduced to tears. Last I heard of Bruce, he was under investigation for extortion involving one or more of the WA indian tribes.

Best Bruce Anderson memory... Bruce came into the shop one day after lunch, holding a large bottle of champagne. He looks around, sees three of the five managers in the main shop area, and tells me to find the other two and join him in the break room. I grabbed the other two managers and we all went in. Bruce started talking about the large Bell Huey contract he was hunting, and how much it would mean to the company. The extruders had done a large test sample to spec to show that the company could fulfill the job, and we expected the results back any day. I'm starting to get happy, because I see the champagne, and my math is good enough to add 1+1 and come up with two. I look around and see that the other managers' math skills have come up with the same number, and smiles are all around.

Then Bruce says "So I bought this bottle to toast the new contract...UNFORTUNATELY, (stream of obscenities) we didn't (several animal howls) get the contract (follow up stream of obscenities).

And when he finished with the last obscenity, he turned and threw the bottle of champagne as hard as he could at the opposite wall.

I'm sure that all 6 people in the room expected the bottle to shatter on impact, but that's not what happened. You need a solid wall for that, and Bruce picked a hollow paneling-covered quick-wall to target. I'm sure our accountant in the office on the other side of that wall never expected a bottle of champagne to come flying missile-like through the wall behind her and explode against the concrete wall above her head, but that IS what happened. She quit, and sued, and ultimately settled out of court for about 3 years worth of her salary.

Good times, indeed...

[Spider-Dan]

I'm amazed that this stuff happens as much as it does with athletes.  This guy should be in jail for assault.

Can you imagine if you went and chokeslammed your boss what kind of shit you'd be in?

I think it'd be more appropriate to first imagine that you made twice as much money as your "boss," and then imagine what would happen if he started shouting in your face and you two got into a scuffle.

In other words, if you got in a fight with someone that made half as much money as you, who do you think is going to be at risk of being fired?

When it comes right down to it, you can simply follow the money.  If the owner pays one employee more than another, it's generally because he feels that that employee contributes more to the bottom line.  Argue all you want about who is the "boss" on paper, but ultimately, money talks.

[Phishfan]

Thanks for the insight Maine. I have been wondering all along how real the GM's story is. I have had the feeling the true story lies somewhere between what the two are saying. Chacon didn't just grab this guy for no reason, but I wonder how justified his reason was.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Thanks for the insight Maine. I have been wondering all along how real the GM's story is. I have had the feeling the true story lies somewhere between what the two are saying. Chacon didn't just grab this guy for no reason, but I wonder how justified his reason was.

About as justified as Latrell Sprewell was for choking PJ Carlesimo.  Carlesimo is a prick for a coach, and NBA players usually don't respond well to that.  Carlesimo drove Sprewell to the point where he snapped, but that doesn't justify violence.

[TonyB0D]

well he was put on waivers....if he clears (which he won't), he will be released.

[Dave Gray]

I hear a bunch of "if I did this at work" - I am willing to bet none of you have bosses that would go nose to nose with you and start screaming at you in front of your peers.

I can name about 10 TDMMCers who I have worked with who will beg to differ.

[MaineDolFan]

^I guess I'm used to working in a professional enviroment that wouldn't condone something like that.  The last time I had a "boss" in my face and screaming at me was when I was in boot camp.