Beck not cut

[fyo]

I like how the Beck supporters band together to bash anyone who is against Beck, but I haven't seen a single person step up and list for everyone the positive QB qualities Beck has that makes you think he will EVER become a decent QB. I hear a ton of excuses "why" he's sucked, but nothing to point to why he may someday "not suck."

I'm looking solely at the facts. I have nothing vested in Beck, although the more "hate" I see piled on him, the more I want to root for him when/if he goes elsewhere... The simple fact is that *plenty* of star quarterbacks have done worse then he did (with what couldn't have been a worse supporting cast). I argued very strongly that he shouldn't have been thrown to the wolves last season (just like I'm arguing very strongly that HENNE shouldn't be this season). That's a very risky thing to do with a rookie quarterback and it blew up in Cams face - and our faces.

John Beck won't ever be a quality QB in the NFL. He doesn't have the physical ability to achieve that status. No amount of disclaimers and excuses from others will change the opinion that I've developed by watching him play with my own eyes.

See, that's just bull. If Beck fails, and he may very well, it'll be because he can't handle the mental aspects of it.

He's *exceptionally* precise... when there's no pressure. Once he's under pressure, even if it's just a buzzer, he starts to panic a bit. That's mental, not physical.

He has a decent arm. No, he probably can't throw it through the uprights from midfield on his knees... but he's got plenty of arm strength to make it in the NFL.

The one PHYSICAL weakness he has is mobility, but, again, plenty of players have excelled despite that. It does, however, require that you're capable of disciple and patience in the pocket - and able to withstand the inevitable pressure.

Then there's the leadership aspect, which I've seen some here question. I have no idea what his leadership skills are like. The quotes I've seen from his teammates (not exactly an objective source) have been decent, but who knows.

Anyway, if Beck fails it won't be because he doesn't have the PHYSICAL skills to succeed in the NFL. It will be because he doesn't have the MENTAL skills.

[Sunstroke]

Alright ... you people and using logic are going to give everyone a bunch of migraines.  There are only two camps here that you are allowed to speak of. 

The first camp is the one that has all of the super knowledgeable fans or coaches who just didn't get the opportunity to coach. They realize that Beck is the lowest of QBs and should feel blesssed to even be considered a QB in the great game of football. These intelligent "Beck Sucks" people are almost offended that anyone could possibly think that anyone in the world might be willing to take a chance on giving him some time to develop. As a bonus they also realize that Henne is the second coming of Marino and needs absolutely no time to develop. In fact, if he is not starting by week 3 then they feel we as fans are being ripped off by the cheap arse Wayne.

The other camp is the "Beck lovers". They are the ones who think Beck is God's gift to football  and think he has done no wrong. They think Beck should start no matter what and that Henne is a loser who will fail us miserably. They think that Cam Cameron's whole defining momnet in life came the moment he selected Beck over that other guy. Now I do not know anyone like this but the first camp puts everyone who does not see things as they do into this camp so I know it must exist somehwere.

There is no room in here, at least to those who are adament about killing this subject, for any views or observations that fall anywhere in between.  Beck sucks. He's a low life and by all means ... do not disagree!!!!!

That sure seems like a whole lot of huffin' to basically say 13 words

"I like Beck, screw you"

and

"if your opinion doesn't match, I'm not listening."

He's *exceptionally* precise... when there's no pressure.

The NFL is a game built on pressure. Maybe Beck's calling is as a professional tetherball player.

[DolFan619]

Really...Fuck Brady Quinn. He's never entered into my thoughts when considering Beck's potential as a QB. Do I wish we'd gone with Quinn instead? Yes, but I wish we'd gone with one of a number of other QBs in that class other than Beck. Stanton, Edwards...no problema.

  I think that's something we can all agree on.  Brady Quinn sucks. 

[CF DolFan]

That sure seems like a whole lot of huffin' to basically say 13 words

"I like Beck, screw you"

and

"if your opinion doesn't match, I'm not listening."


The NFL is a game built on pressure. Maybe Beck's calling is as a professional tetherball player.

C'mon Stroke. You are much smarter than that.  That's the exact mentality I was calling out. 

The point is there are many people, like myself, that would like to keep Beck around because obviosly he has the physical tools to be good if he can get his head screwed on straight. There is no question that he has the best balls when not under pressure. I am not a fan of his nor do have any vested interest in him succeeding beyond the Dolphins being successful.  I hope the same for Henne and I really hope they do not throw him to the wolves before he is mentally ready to be overloaded.

I don't think last year proved anything about Beck and if anything I think last year actually set him back.  There is nothing to prove this with except history and the general league reccomendation that you do not start rookies ... and especially ones that have been playing on the scout team and not even preparing to play the season.

So every time someone posts "Beck sucks they need to dump his arse " I just can't come up with something as scientific. Maybe the always faithful "your momma" will do the trick. 

[YoFuggedaboutit]

CF,

A lot of QB's have the physical tools to succeed, but don't have the mentality needed to play NFL football. 

Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, Rick Mirer and David Klinger all come to mind.

[CF DolFan]

CF,

A lot of QB's have the physical tools to succeed, but don't have the mentality needed to play NFL football. 

Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, Rick Mirer and David Klinger all come to mind.

Great example Tommy ... thanks.  All of them were given a heck of a lot more rope to hang themselves than Beck. 

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Great example Tommy ... thanks.  All of them were given a heck of a lot more rope to hang themselves than Beck. 

And that's because Miami fans are a whole lot more impatient than most other team's fans.  The team starts losing and they start calling for the coach's head and not showing up to games. 

[Sunstroke]

C'mon Stroke. You are much smarter than that.  That's the exact mentality I was calling out.

Yes, CF...I am, which is why I'll just duck past your diversionary tactic there.

My point, CF...was that it's obvious there are two sides of this opinion on Beck, and you spent 3 paragraphs above throwing snide barbs at the side you're opposed to. My "I like Beck, screw you" and "if your opinion doesn't match, I'm not listening" summary was accurate, whether you appreciated being called out on it or not.

[DolFan619]

And that's because Miami fans are a whole lot more impatient than most other team's fans.  The team starts losing and they start calling for the coach's head and not showing up to games. 

  Don't lump me in with that group.  Not everybody goes apeshit like you do.

[Brian Fein]

And that's because Miami fans are a whole lot more impatient than most other team's fans.  The team starts losing and they start calling for the coach's head and not showing up to games. 

Dude that's EXACTLY the POINT!

The two camps are this:

- John Beck sucks, look how terrible he played last season

and 

- John Beck isn't ready yet, give him time before you determine he sucks.

I STRONGLY feel that anyone who expected Beck to roll in last season and be the savior is expecting WAY too much.  By the same token, these people are ready to cut that relationship, either because they hate Cam Cameron (in which case they want Ginn out too) or because they're too impatient to give a guy a chance to improve.

Rookies starting year 1 never succeed in year 1.  Rookies starting year 1 with half the team injured on a 0-10 team WILL ALWAYS FAIL.  100 times out of 100.  You can't pin that all on Beck.

[bsfins]

^^Word...



I think Beck would do better somewhere else...He'll never be able to live up to the Tommy's,and Rick's of the world expectations...

[simeon]

All 4 games, huh?

 Not once have you considered he was out there basically by himself.  No running back, no quality vet Wr & a below Avg.  Te.

Yeap, I can see where you think he should have lite up the NFL.

Now that is pathetic.

Logic ? Let's really use it then. This is the NFL not pop warner football, either you produce and you move on. Even Cleo Lemon looked great compared to Beck behind the same line with the same WR's. I know I know you will say but Beck was a rookie and Lemon a veteran, but Lemon didn't have much playing time as a starter in the NFL, thats a logical fact. Since we are using logic, then I ask you what has Beck shown us to prove he is an NFL QB ? If you couldn't see the difference between Beck and Henne in the first preseason game then I would question your logic. Beck showed us he has not improved, he still looks nervous and scared with no command of leadership. At least with Henne we moved the ball, not it was true the third quarter was played by 2nd termer's but Henne did move the ball in the 2nd quarter. Logic tells me that Beck has prove to be a bust and should have never been drafted. Now we will see what Beck does from here to improve himself, but logic tells me you shouldn't hold your breath.

[CF DolFan]

Even Cleo Lemon looked great compared to Beck behind the same line with the same WR's.

Not that this point would mean anything anyway but what games were you watching? Cleo made one play and now he looked great?  That's so far off it isn't even a reach.

[Dphins4me]

Quinn is 6' 4" & much more athletic
Beck is 6' 2"

Get your facts straight

Might want to check your facts first, before telling someone to check theirs or you might want to tell the NFL about the extra 2" on Quinn.  He is listed a 6'2"

http://www.nfl.com/players/bradyquinn/profile?id=QUI529720

[StL FinFan]

You know, the "Beck has to go" camp is sure loud, but when you look at the poll on who should be cut, McCown was by far the "winner".