I know nothing about politics.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

also nationwide polling is worthless .. we don't tally nationwide vote counts to elect the president

QFT.  It was in 1936 I believe that Literary Digest magazine polled several million voters and then predicted former Kansas Governor Alfred M. Landon would defeat incumbent Franklin D. Roosevelt.  The actual results were very different as Roosevelt won by a landslide. 

And that pales in comparison to the famous headline "Dewey defeats Truman"

[bsmooth]

McCain got a nice bounce from the convention and his trophy VP . We still have weeks of campaigning and debates to go through. If McCain does not improve how he talks, Obama could kill him in the debates. I think a debate between Biden and Palin would be a wash.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

To get back to the original question, these polls mean crap anyway. A pollster can get any result they want by simply knowing where to target the people they poll. That's why.

Also how the phrase the question.  For example in one poll

"As mayor she obtained 27 million dollars in federal funding for projects in her town of about 7,000 people"

32% more favorable
19 % less favorable
48% no change
1% unsure.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08.htm

32% were impressed with the accomplishment and only 19% went holy sh!t thats a lot of pork.

I bet I could rephrase that question so less favorable wins.

Also the problem with these polls are there are huge demographics that no longer own landlines (they don't poll folks who only own a cell phone)

[run_to_win]

Too bad "Mayors and governors don't allocate pork, congressmen do" wasn't one of the choices.

 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Too bad "Governors don't allocate pork, congressmen do" wasn't one of the choices.

That would be a real dumb response to a question about what she did as MAYOR. 

[run_to_win]

The fact remains, as a mayor the only money she was in charge of was her own budget.  She may have requested pork from the state or federal government but it was their choice to give it.

Many feel that it's a congressman's job to deliver the pork, especially those on the left who usually favor bigger government and more spending.  Is this just MORE hypocrisy on your part? 

Why are you ignoring McCain's pork spending?  Please expose that since he's the one we're actually voting for/against. 

What about Obama's?  As reported in the Seattle Times:

Obama's 2007 Defense earmarks: $3,300,000
2001-07 Campaign contributions from earmark recipients: $97,250

Obama's 2007 earmarks were $97.4 MILLION dollars. Obama's 2008 earmarks total more than $330 million dollars in taxpayer funds.

Earlier this year, Obama made dozens of additional earmark requests. More than half a dozen requests were meant for clients of a lobbying and law firm whose partners have donated more than $38,000 to Obama in the past two years.

Obama requested $1 million for the University of Chicago Medical Center to help pay for construction of a new pavilion. The very hospital Michelle Obama worked at.

Just a few months before he joined the presidential race, Sen. Barack Obama co-sponsored a little-noticed proposal to require the Pentagon to spend $2 million on brain trauma research for soldiers wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. The beneficiary of this earmark from him and Sen. Richard J. Durbin was undeniably close to home: the University of Chicago Medical Center, again, the same hospital his wife worked for.

[Dave Gray]

Hoodie/Run, There are other threads for talk about Palin's work as governor/mayor/whatever.  Please don't derail this thread.



McCain got another bounce today, and now leads by 5 points.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^ you really have goal to take every discussion off course don't you.

The point of my post was that with a little bit of tweaking I could radically change the outcome of the answer.

And that is one of the inherent flaws of poll data. 

[run_to_win]

The point of my post was that with a little bit of tweaking I could radically change the outcome of the answer.

And that is one of the inherent flaws of poll data. 

Curious, I don't remember you ever bringing this up while Obama was up in the polls. 

[simeon]

I figured that Obama would run away with the election, as he had been ahead the whole time, and still held a lead after both conventions.

But, today, Gallup has McCain leading nationwide 48% to 45%.

I wonder where this latest bounce came from...

The bounce is from the convention these numbers usually take a week to take effect. Basically O'Bama had no bounce but where McCain went with Palin it gave him national headlines and a bounce. These numbers don't mean anything at this point and the polls depending on the one you are using are slanted to a certain candidate.
Example CNN will do a poll with a huge O'Bama lead then Fox will do one with McCain with a big lead, depends on the questions they ask and who they call.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Curious, I don't remember you ever bringing this up while Obama was up in the polls. 

I don't remember a thread about polling data accuracy before this one. 

And national popular vote poll is only marginally relevant, which is why I don't pay much attention to it no matter who is winning.   You don't get elected by winning the popular vote, what matters is the electoral vote.  This game is like watching football and ignoring the score and only paying attention to which team had the most yards.  They may be the same, but they may not be. 

[Defense54]

As much as nobody here wants to admit to it or even discuss........Race has alot to do with it as well. America is just not ready for a Black President. They should have started by electing him as a vice President first. As an incumbent VP in 8 years it may have been different. Seeing 50 Cent and P Diddy out in full force campaigning for Obama doesn't help either...........

[run_to_win]

Race has alot to do with it as well.

Seeing 50 Cent and P Diddy out in full force campaigning for Obama doesn't help either...........

These observations are very much interconnected: (link)

You forgot Ludicrous  (link).

The videos have been removed from you-tube but the stories are still available.


"Alaska? Alaska? Alaska. Al- come on man. I don't even know if there's any black people in Alaska."

"Alaska muther****er?"

[bsmooth]

The fact remains, as a mayor the only money she was in charge of was her own budget.  She may have requested pork from the state or federal government but it was their choice to give it.

Many feel that it's a congressman's job to deliver the pork, especially those on the left who usually favor bigger government and more spending.  Is this just MORE hypocrisy on your part? 

Why are you ignoring McCain's pork spending?  Please expose that since he's the one we're actually voting for/against. 

What about Obama's?  As reported in the Seattle Times:

Obama's 2007 Defense earmarks: $3,300,000
2001-07 Campaign contributions from earmark recipients: $97,250

Obama's 2007 earmarks were $97.4 MILLION dollars. Obama's 2008 earmarks total more than $330 million dollars in taxpayer funds.

Earlier this year, Obama made dozens of additional earmark requests. More than half a dozen requests were meant for clients of a lobbying and law firm whose partners have donated more than $38,000 to Obama in the past two years.

Obama requested $1 million for the University of Chicago Medical Center to help pay for construction of a new pavilion. The very hospital Michelle Obama worked at.

Just a few months before he joined the presidential race, Sen. Barack Obama co-sponsored a little-noticed proposal to require the Pentagon to spend $2 million on brain trauma research for soldiers wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. The beneficiary of this earmark from him and Sen. Richard J. Durbin was undeniably close to home: the University of Chicago Medical Center, again, the same hospital his wife worked for.

You are right, and I am sure Mc Caine's pork allocations will be all laid out in glaring detail, even more than the billions that us taxpayers ate due to his buddies in the old S & L scandal a couple decades ago. But to answer your remark about mayors not having anything to do with pork, Palin was a big supporter of the Bridge to Nowhere when she was mayor, and only after the massive outcry over it, did she change her stance once elected.

[Defense54]

These observations are very much interconnected: (link)

You forgot Ludicrous  (link).

The videos have been removed from you-tube but the stories are still available.


"Alaska? Alaska? Alaska. Al- come on man. I don't even know if there's any black people in Alaska."

"Alaska muther****er?"

Com on The Eskimo's need a Minority to vote for!!   


Seriously though........these Rapper Pee Brains have no Idea how they are hurting Obama instead of helping him. Same goes for Jesse and Al Sharpton,  and remember Obama's personal Preacher? This is the guy that Obama went to for years , he brought his entire family to that guys church and listened to him..........and this guy is calling the White man the devil and stuff.   (Shaking my head) If your a middle aged white man in America this kinda stuff scares the shit out of you just thinking about having someone surrounded by these assholes in the white house. We know of course Obama is not really connected with them and he has severed all ties with that Preacher and even has publicly put down Black fathers in order to make up for any Ties people might think he has............but its just not enough. Not yet anyway. America just ain't ready for it.